Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place

[joswift]

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1790775128282556

[oldschoolfan]

Mike Isratel is a delusional piece of shit and believes Mike Mentzer's diet is outdated. Mike Isratel is the scum of the earth. He compared Mike Mentzer to "a shitty car from the 1980s."

Totally agree has always came off as an arrogant lil prick

It is funny how he rips on mentzers diet but yet has never even come close to mentzers conditioning he had

[falco]

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1790775128282556

[affeman]

Guy who didn't know sh*t in 1977:

Guy who knows it all (on the internet) in 2025:

[falco]

[NaturalWonder83]

Mike Mentzer (L) and Dr. Ugly (R)

[NaturalWonder83]

Guy who didn't know sh*t in 1977:

Guy who knows it all (on the internet) in 2025:

Sam and Mike. 2 great athletes.

Sam looks like he's ready to drop dead. His hair is oily, his skin looks rotted, tons of crusty acne lesions, and hes reported to not shower. People also have said he constantly reeks of B.O. and lunch meat.

Mike is a fat, hairy, disgusting walking heart attack. He portrays himself and carries himself as this guru and top level competitor. When in reality, he's a dimwitted fat fuck who faked his PHD and convinced everyone he was intelligent.

[NaturalWonder83]

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1790775128282556

"Dr." Michael: You're better off listening to a high school football coach than ""Dr." Michael

[Van_Bilderass]

As for Lyle, I think he's had some net positives too. But I find his meanderings to be insufferable; I just can't listen to 40 minutes of him attacking someone/thing, to listen for that nugget of insight (and I know its there...I just can't bring myself emotionally to listen to a rant. And yes, I realize the irony that my posts on getbig are long and come across as rants).

Lyle used to have a very nice forum but then social media took over. His Facebook group is downright oppressive and it's only for true nerds.

You're so right about the 'lost in the weeds,' most of this stuff will have no effect in the big picture. As one truly obnoxious guru said, "there's no magical lifting program or diet or drug protocol that a coach can give you." He was talking about aspiring bodybuilders, but it can apply to advanced too as some switch coaches frequently looking for the formula for success. I think a coach can be very valuable, even if just for psychological reasons.

When in reality, he's a dimwitted fat fuck who faked his PHD and convinced everyone he was intelligent.

This fucker says his IQ is so high he doesn't even know how high as they can only go to 160 and then it's unreliable. Saying something like this is ridiculous, even if true, which it isn't.

I couldn't find the original article of this, would like to read what it says.

[BB]

I couldn't find the original article of this, would like to read what it says.

It's from the "Detroit Jewish News", March 2017, it's hard to find now, but here it is -

https://digital.bentley.umich.edu/djnews/djn.2017.03.02.001/10 .

Just that one page.

[MuscleBuff]

Never seen Dorian talk like this, interesting, he is usually very understated and discreet. Even for bigger bags of shit than Dr Mike he never said a bad word.

He laid it down pretty thick, there will be lots of tears and self abuse in Dr Mike's house today

Dorian has always been very outspoken about the Jews

[oldschoolfan]

here is another great comparison

[Stephano]

Judging the guy on the whole of his contributions, I think Isratel has been net-positive for the stuff we all like (lifting, building muscle, etc....).

(WALL OF TEXT)

Listen, brother, it ain't that complicated.  Just train.  It doesn't matter how you train. 

Train like a pussy.  (Vince Taylor, Paul Dillet)
Train like a berseker.  (Ronnie and some others.)
Low-Volume HIT.  (Mentzer and some other guys.)
Moderate-Volume HIT.  (Yates and many others in the late 90s.)
Volume training.  (The "standard" bodybuilding routine.)
Extreme volume training.  (2x/day; some of the Venice Beach guys did this because they loved the gym.)
Instinctive training.  (Train whatever and however you feel like training that day.)

And I could go on all day.  It doesn't matter.  It all works.  Find what you like, what gets you into the gym, and stick with it. 

B-but if you don't find your maximum adaptable volume you're leaving muscle gains on the table!!

Not really.  Muscle growth is 60% genetics/drugs, 30% diet, 10% everything else.  You need to train, but over a sufficiently long time horizon how you train doesn't matter much for hypertrophy. 

[joswift]

Listen, brother, it ain't that complicated.  Just train.  It doesn't matter how you train. 

Train like a pussy.  (Vince Taylor, Paul Dillet)
Train like a berseker.  (Ronnie and some others.)
Low-Volume HIT.  (Mentzer and some other guys.)
Moderate-Volume HIT.  (Yates and many others in the late 90s.)
Volume training.  (The "standard" bodybuilding routine.)
Extreme volume training.  (2x/day; some of the Venice Beach guys did this because they loved the gym.)
Instinctive training.  (Train whatever and however you feel like training that day.)

And I could go on all day.  It doesn't matter.  It all works.  Find what you like, what gets you into the gym, and stick with it. 

Not really.  Muscle growth is 60% genetics/drugs, 30% diet, 10% everything else.  You need to train, but over a sufficiently long time horizon how you train doesn't matter much for hypertrophy.

Yep, muscles only expand they dont grow... as long as you stretch the fibres with a combination of volume and intensity then they will respond.

Just remember though , its all temporary , dont kill yourself trying