Dorian Yates puts Mike Israetel on his place

[BigNik78]

What do you big guys here think of his extreme, full rom?  I never see Pro's in vids doing it that way.

[NaturalWonder83]

What do you big guys here think of his extreme, full rom?  I never see Pro's in vids doing it that way.

Oh, it’s obviously working “great” for him!

Aside from being called a “sack of shit” by Dorian Yates, his neck injuries, his non-existent lats from over-extension on every back move, his early onset Palumboism gut...

His “not love handles,"...it's just he's apparently "holding water" because he, in his own words, "chose to get fat"...and then instead of dieting properly and not stuffing his fat face, he had those water filled love handles surgically removed...

But according to him, he "has more self control than anyone else on the planet!" Oh, except with stuffing his fat face.

His failure at every contest in the only sport he ever tried, his elderly aged body, his constant discussion of giving blow jobs and rubbing penises, stating he wants to physically harm small animals/coaches, his failure garbage PHD dissertation, his academic fraud to try and cover up his garbage PHD dissertation, and his apparent fetish for being human toilet paper for other men.

I guess other than all that, seems to be going great for him!!

He’s contributed so so much to the industry! Where would we all be without his sage insight/advice to skip hammer curls, skip front squats, use barbell rows to build triceps, his cable fly press, going super super super deep on incline dumbbell presses, to always use straps on assisted pull ups, use plastic surgery to get leaner...

Remember to take a boatload of drugs to lift weights, age oneself...

And if you want to be lean like him, make sure you utilize his pre-contest diet recommendations of Gatorade and cereal!

He’s the best thing since sliced bread!

[Stephano]

Damn, bro. 

[joswift]

what was the best thing invented before sliced bread?

[MAXX]

Oh, it’s obviously working “great” for him!

Aside from being called a “sack of shit” by Dorian Yates, his neck injuries, his non-existent lats from over-extension on every back move, his early onset Palumboism gut...

His “not love handles,"...it's just he's apparently "holding water" because he, in his own words, "chose to get fat"...and then instead of dieting properly and not stuffing his fat face, he had those water filled love handles surgically removed...

But according to him, he "has more self control than anyone else on the planet!" Oh, except with stuffing his fat face.

His failure at every contest in the only sport he ever tried, his elderly aged body, his constant discussion of giving blow jobs and rubbing penises, stating he wants to physically harm small animals/coaches, his failure garbage PHD dissertation, his academic fraud to try and cover up his garbage PHD dissertation, and his apparent fetish for being human toilet paper for other men.

I guess other than all that, seems to be going great for him!!

He’s contributed so so much to the industry! Where would we all be without his sage insight/advice to skip hammer curls, skip front squats, use barbell rows to build triceps, his cable fly press, going super super super deep on incline dumbbell presses, to always use straps on assisted pull ups, use plastic surgery to get leaner...

Remember to take a boatload of drugs to lift weights, age oneself...

And if you want to be lean like him, make sure you utilize his pre-contest diet recommendations of Gatorade and cereal!

He’s the best thing since sliced bread!

yes "more self control than anyone on the planet" but self admitedly injects drugs that supresses apetite

it's hard to clown the guy when he clowns himself like every time he talks on youtube

[NaturalWonder83]

yes "more self control than anyone on the planet" but self admitedly injects drugs that supresses apetite

it's hard to clown the guy when he clowns himself like every time he talks on youtube

YES! 100% AGREED. He's the biggest scumbag in the industry. It drives me crazy that his PHD was such trash and that it should have NEVER passed. And that he has used that worthless, shitty PHD as a way to sneak his way onto podcasts, interviews, and lectures as a guest who people think is intelligent and distinguished.

[Taffin]

what was the best thing invented before sliced bread?

Fire?

Original sin maybe?

Need Wes to confirm

[nobody in particular]

what was the best thing invented before sliced bread?

a bread slicer?

[snx]

What do you big guys here think of his extreme, full rom?  I never see Pro's in vids doing it that way.

I like to think of full ROM the way Dorian Yates would think about it. He had a moderated approach that probably works 99.9% of the time. Jordan Peters also executes his reps well in his training...I think both of those fellas leave a good example.

When taken to its extremes with the super long ROM and some of those long rep cadences to exaggerate the stretch (watch Eric Janicki; Isratel loves his training), I think you have to sacrifice weight, it's mentally taxing, it's certain taxing on the cardiovascular system (no one squats like that, for example, unless they hate themselves). And certainly the rep cadence gets taken to its extreme when you train Isratel style. But if you like training that way, its not really a big deal; I don't think it's any better than a faster rep cadence with what we'll call a "Yates full ROM", if we want to compare, and if pressed, an Isratel rep might be a bit worse than a Yates rep.

Said another way: take two identical twins, make one train "Yates reps" and another "Isratel reps", and you won't see much if any difference. With maybe an edge to the "Yates rep" guy.

I won't say weight is more important and one should sacrifice ROM for weight, or vice versa; but I think we're being foolish if we think there isn't a tradeoff at the extreme ends of the spectrum that holds development back.

There's enough research to show a rep cadence anywhere between 2-8 seconds is fungible, so do what feels right, as long as you train each set real hard in that rep range and you're consistent enough in how you do a rep, that you can be honest with yourself and know that you're getting a bit stronger in the lift because you're stronger, and not just because you got more ballistic with the rep execution or truncated the ROM a bit vs last week.

[LurkerNoMore]

Oh, it’s obviously working “great” for him!

Aside from being called a “sack of shit” by Dorian Yates, his neck injuries, his non-existent lats from over-extension on every back move, his early onset Palumboism gut...

His “not love handles,"...it's just he's apparently "holding water" because he, in his own words, "chose to get fat"...and then instead of dieting properly and not stuffing his fat face, he had those water filled love handles surgically removed...

But according to him, he "has more self control than anyone else on the planet!" Oh, except with stuffing his fat face.

His failure at every contest in the only sport he ever tried, his elderly aged body, his constant discussion of giving blow jobs and rubbing penises, stating he wants to physically harm small animals/coaches, his failure garbage PHD dissertation, his academic fraud to try and cover up his garbage PHD dissertation, and his apparent fetish for being human toilet paper for other men.

I guess other than all that, seems to be going great for him!!

He’s contributed so so much to the industry! Where would we all be without his sage insight/advice to skip hammer curls, skip front squats, use barbell rows to build triceps, his cable fly press, going super super super deep on incline dumbbell presses, to always use straps on assisted pull ups, use plastic surgery to get leaner...

Remember to take a boatload of drugs to lift weights, age oneself...

And if you want to be lean like him, make sure you utilize his pre-contest diet recommendations of Gatorade and cereal!

He’s the best thing since sliced bread!

I am sooooooooo going to cut and paste this the next time one of his reels pops up on my feed!!!!!!!

[_bruce_]

Israeltel just needs the finishing touch.

A hammer to the cranium.

[Van_Bilderass]

Mike likes the extra deep reps simply because his body is able to sit down into a squat like that. Most people trying the same end up compensating and putting something into an injurious position. Sometimes the overcompensation isn't even perceptible but the lifter can feel it didn't feel right, for example a tiny rounding of the back. I'm sure working in the lengthened position appears more productive but then you see huge bastards who never do any full reps.

[Stephano]

I'm sure working in the lengthened position appears more productive but then you see huge bastards who never do any full reps.

In my experience training has practically zero correlation with physique. 

Experienced trainers should warn up-and-comers to stay away from autistically focusing on reps/sets/ROM/cadence/etc.  It's a siren song.  It'll only distract you and waste your time and energy.  Train however you like, whatever suits your body, and you'll get results... If you have non-shit-tier genetics and if the drugs, diet, and everything else are on-point.

If you're a bodybuilder, questions like "should I take boldenone or deca with this cycle?" "is primo worth the cost?" and "how much fish should I buy this week?" are 10000x more important than, "what's the best range of motion?" 

[joswift]

In my experience training has practically zero correlation with physique. 

Experienced trainers should warn up-and-comers to stay away from autistically focusing on reps/sets/ROM/cadence/etc.  It's a siren song.  It'll only distract you and waste your time and energy.  Train however you like, whatever suits your body, and you'll get results... If you have non-shit-tier genetics and if the drugs, diet, and everything else are on-point.

If you're a bodybuilder, questions like "should I take boldenone or deca with this cycle?" "is primo worth the cost?" and "how much fish should I buy this week?" are 10000x more important than, "what's the best range of motion?"

If people ask me "whats the best exercise for...", I always tell them, "the ones you like doing"