Is Bob right?

[Donny]

Got to admit i like low Inclines much better

[IroNat]

Why would incline presses be any safer than flat benches?  Makes no sense.

Muscles can tear from any exercise that put excessive strain on the connective tissue.
Using steroids weakens connective tissues.
Combine that with how the muscle strengthens out of proportion to the connective tissue.
Then when someone uses limit poundages the house of cards collapses.

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Steroids And Muscle Tears: Uncovering The Risks And Realities

https://cyvigor.com/article/can-steroids-cause-muscle-tears

[Donny]

Why would incline presses be any safer than flat benches?  Makes no sense.

Muscles can tear from any exercise that put excessive strain on the connective tissue.
Using steroids weakens connective tissues.
Combine that with how the muscle strengthens out of proportion to the connective tissue.
Then when someone uses limit poundages the house of cards collapses.

>

Steroids And Muscle Tears: Uncovering The Risks And Realities

https://cyvigor.com/article/can-steroids-cause-muscle-tears

Inclines are /or feel better for me ..feels a much better path for the Bar. most do tear a pec on flat presses

[IroNat]

Bob is likely correct if he's referring to steroid users.  Since his world is entirely drug use it is logical.

For natties there is little risk from doing bench presses.

[IroNat]

Inclines are /or feel better for me ..feels a much better path for the Bar. most do tear a pec on flat presses

People doing flat bench greatly outnumber those doing inclines so it's much more likely from a numbers standpoint to tear a pec doing them.

Also people try to use maximum weights doing flats since it is a competitive thing.

[NaturalWonder83]

I believe the reason Bob feels this way is because he's dimwitted.

For some people, bench press feels fine. And if they want to do each week, then that's what they should do.

If you don't like doing bench, then don't do it.

If your mechanics are sound, if your tendons can handle it, and if you feel a good connection when doing it, then keep doing it. If your shoulder hurts after benching, you need to investigate your form and determine if you may have issues that need fixing.

If Bob feels crappy when he benches, it's possible he has muscle issues/form that he should correct.

[Donny]

People doing flat bench greatly outnumber those doing inclines so it's much more likely from a numbers standpoint to tear a pec doing them.

Also people try to use maximum weights doing flats since it is a competitive thing.

how do you feel about the flat "Gironda" press to neck ?
I do not think that the % of lifters matters, itīs  Physiological

[joswift]

the pecks are a downward pressing muscle, inclines are useless

[Donny]

the pecks are a downward pressing muscle, inclines are useless

but the Press to neck?

[IroNat]

how do you feel about the flat "Gironda" press to neck ?
I do not think that the % of lifters matters, itīs  Physiological

I think it's ok to do provided you acclimate to it.
If you lack flexibility then you can injure yourself.
It's also a move you would not use limit poundages with.
Similar to doing behind the neck presses.

[Donny]

I think it's ok to do provided you acclimate to it.
If you lack flexibility then you can injure yourself.
It's also a move you would not use limit poundages with.
Similar to doing behind the neck presses.

I agree with you & Joseph  I do like Parallel Bar dips over Flat Benches.
however i like inclines  feels more natural to me

[Dave D]

Inclines are /or feel better for me ..feels a much better path for the Bar. most do tear a pec on flat presses

What exercise do most people attempt heavy weight?

[Donny]

What exercise do most people attempt heavy weight?

yes flat press.. as mentioned but for me itīs about reps & feeling the muscle, hence why i asked about the Gironda press to neck
I am not totally against Bench press as i like/liked to do DB flat presses over Barbells.
Maybe my age now.. stopping sagging pecs 

[Dave D]

yes flat press.. as mentioned but for me itīs about reps & feeling the muscle, hence why i asked about the Gironda press to neck
I am not totally against Bench press as i like/liked to do DB flat presses over Barbells.
Maybe my age now.. stopping sagging pecs 

Is this how you’ve always trained?

I like to press to neck as well but that’s not an exercise I would go heavy with.

[SweetDaddySiki]

how do you feel about the flat "Gironda" press to neck ?
I do not think that the % of lifters matters, itīs  Physiological

I like Gironda presses and did those for years and they do seem to "lift" the pecs up. I noticed that they did work my shoulders more than regular benches but I also feel a big workout in my shoulders when doing inclines. Never any shoulder injuries or whatever with Gironda's and they do work. What's funny is that if you do them the way Gironda said (legs crossed up off the bench and wide grip), you'll see better results which makes no sense to me. Also and related, doing dips the way Gironda said (chin on chest, knees/legs in front of you) works your chest %100 better than doing regular dips which, again, makes no sense to me.

[Donny]

Is this how you’ve always trained?

I like to press to neck as well but that’s not an exercise I would go heavy with.

I fell in love with parallel dips because of the Army..i liked them even doing Tricep dips off my bed in my room. I have experimented with Declines ..etc but in recent years i prefer Incline work. This is actually strange as i had a prolapsed disc in my neck some years ago. C6/C7 & my right hand & tricep were weakened but..i can now close a decent grip strength with grippers
Time is a healer 

[Donny]

I like Gironda presses and did those for years and they do seem to "lift" the pecs up. I noticed that they did work my shoulders more than regular benches but I also feel a big workout in my shoulders when doing inclines. Never any shoulder injuries or whatever with Gironda's and they do work. What's funny is that if you do them the way Gironda said (legs crossed up off the bench and wide grip), you'll see better results which makes no sense to me. Also and related, doing dips the way Gironda said (chin on chest, knees/legs in front of you) works your chest %100 better than doing regular dips which, again, makes no sense to me.

He was a Master at his trade but i do not like the hands turned in position on his dips ..at least how Larry Scott did them

[Humble Narcissist]

the pecks are a downward pressing muscle, inclines are useless

You never worked upper Pecs with inclines? They definitely make a difference.

[wes]

Heavy DB Flyes,and Low Incline Smith Presses (30 degrees) work well for me.

Gonna` start "working out" again soon if the doc OK`s it.................my last workout was in July of last year......I was told not to lift anything heavier than a gallon of milk so as to avoid tearing internal stitches.

Of course my goals will be very different, and not doing any gear,not even TRT.

Can`t wait to get back into it.

[IroNat]

Heavy DB Flyes,and Low Incline Smith Presses (30 degrees) work well for me.

Gonna` start "working out" again soon if the doc OK`s it.................my last workout was in July of last year......I was told not to lift anything heavier than a gallon of milk so as to avoid tearing internal stitches.

Of course my goals will be very different, and not doing any gear,not even TRT.

Can`t wait to get back into it.

Sounds good, wes!

[B_B_C]

Got to admit i like low Inclines much better

are you bench pressing for chest development
or are you  incline bench pressing for shoulder development

or are you incline bench pressing as a cheating exercise  (ie same absolute weight targeting chest and shoulders)?

and is the level of control you have over the bar movement the same for both exercises ?

[wes]

Sounds good, wes!

Thanks Nat.....it`s like missing an old friend. 

[AbrahamG]

You never worked upper Pecs with inclines? They definitely make a difference.

Don't question him.  He's the smartest guy in the room.  Always.  I agree with you.  Inclines are great. 

[Donny]

are you bench pressing for chest development
or are you  incline bench pressing for shoulder development

or are you incline bench pressing as a cheating exercise  (ie same absolute weight targeting chest and shoulders)?

and is the level of control you have over the bar movement the same for both exercises ?

I am concentrating more on my upper area but the whole pecs are worked. Flat Benches are OK but i feel better at 59 doing inclines & feel itīs more beneficial at this stage
to answer if i have more control i would say it feels a more natural path to me so yes i have , i feel more control.
Not saying flat benches are bad ...or Parallel Bar dips which i have always preferred to a flat press

[Donny]

I use a slightly higher angle but this is good, Incline flyes are great too in my opinion