I’m sure this isn’t limited to Mark Kelly

[Coach is Back!]

OFFICIAL STATEMENT:

The Department of War has received serious allegations of misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly, USN (Ret.). In accordance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. § 688, and other applicable regulations, a thorough review of these allegations has been initiated to determine further actions, which may include recall to active duty for court-martial proceedings or administrative measures. This matter will be handled in compliance with military law, ensuring due process and impartiality. Further official comments will be limited, to preserve the integrity of the proceedings.
 
The Department of War reminds all individuals that military retirees remain subject to the UCMJ for applicable offenses, and federal laws such as 18 U.S.C. § 2387 prohibit actions intended to interfere with the loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces. Any violations will be addressed through appropriate legal channels.
 
All servicemembers are reminded that they have a legal obligation under the UCMJ to obey lawful orders and that orders are presumed to be lawful.  A servicemember’s personal philosophy does not justify or excuse the disobedience of an otherwise lawful order. #FAFO

[beakdoctor]

I don't follow 24/7 news cycles.

What would he be court martialed for?

[IroNat]

I don't follow 24/7 news cycles.

What would he be court martialed for?

Encouraging American soldiers to defy the President's orders.

[Van_Bilderass]

Encouraging American soldiers to defy the President's orders.

I don't pretend to know American law but they say there are unlawful orders which you should ignore. Nuremberg is always brought up in this discussion, "just obeying orders" wasn't a defense the court said. What about if Presidential orders clash with your religion, say even the state religion, or your conscience? Some things are assumed to be wrong no matter what and that everyone knows it, the courts say, for example murder.

[Coach is Back!]

I don't pretend to know American law but they say there are unlawful orders which you should ignore. Nuremberg is always brought up in this discussion, "just obeying orders" wasn't a defense the court said. What about if Presidential orders clash with your religion, say even the state religion, or your conscience? Some things are assumed to be wrong no matter what and that everyone knows it, the courts say, for example murder.

The one's accusing can't point out one unlawful order and I'd say if you do this in another countries military they might not ever be found

[Kwon]

I don't pretend to know American law but they say there are unlawful orders which you should ignore. Nuremberg is always brought up in this discussion, "just obeying orders" wasn't a defense the court said. What about if Presidential orders clash with your religion, say even the state religion, or your conscience? Some things are assumed to be wrong no matter what and that everyone knows it, the courts say, for example murder.

Trumps orders are NEVER unlawful! Only Magdalenas orders.

[GymnJuice]

I don't pretend to know American law but they say there are unlawful orders which you should ignore. Nuremberg is always brought up in this discussion, "just obeying orders" wasn't a defense the court said. What about if Presidential orders clash with your religion, say even the state religion, or your conscience? Some things are assumed to be wrong no matter what and that everyone knows it, the courts say, for example murder.

I agree that Trump often pushes the envelope, but I don't believe his actions come anywhere close to the level of atrocities seen in Nazi Germany. That said, I'd love to see America return to requiring congressional approval before launching into wars.

[Van_Bilderass]

The one's accusing can't point out one unlawful order and I'd say if you do this in another countries military they might not ever be found

Yes, I'm not saying Trump has given unlawful orders, just familiar with the topic due to the resulting discussions after Nuremberg. Like today, if your military commander orders you to shoot retreating, fleeing soldiers in the back, I mean soldiers on your side - ethical dilemma. Or Israeli IDF ordered to shoot little children and babies. Or a gunner on an American helicopter ordered to shoot obvious innocents, e.g. a wedding party in Iraq and so on. I don't know what a "JAG lawyer" is but I read those lawyers have given opinions on the legality of shooting those presumed drug boats, many saying they are unlawful. I don't know, just saying... real shame if true fishermen are just collateral damage and sacrificial lambs for regime change opinions.

I agree that Trump often pushes the envelope, but I don't believe his actions come anywhere close to the level of atrocities seen in Nazi Germany. That said, I'd love to see America return to requiring congressional approval before launching into wars.

If we take Trump out and just consider the Nuremberg [show] trials, it is debatable where the responsibility line lies. Most Nazis didn't know what was happening to Jews in camps, but Jews have held every Nazi responsible. It's very debatable but some historians argue that probably even Hitler wasn't aware of all the atrocities happening to Jews at the very end of the war. Obviously no wars could be fought if everyone went with their conscience and atrocities always happen, I'm sure extremely bad things have happened in Ukraine where both sides are responsible. But who is ultimately to blame? Some can live with the "I did my duty and obeyed orders" and some probably fared much worse. They say IDF soldier suicides and psych problems are very high right now.