If Haney had returned in '92...

[Titus Pullo]

I see a lot of people saying Lee could have come back for a ninth win in 1992.

Maybe, but I disagree with their reasoning.  They say shit like, "Oh, Haney would have come in even bigger" and the like.

That makes no sense to me.  Lee tried competing in the high 250s in 88 or 89, and he was criticized for losing definition.

Dorian beat Lee in the muscularity round in 91.  So, Haney was magically going to get back to well over 250 and get way more cut to win in 92, after many years of coming in with roughly the same form?

Doz added maybe five pounds of stage weight for 92, but he was arguably leaner than before, and lost muscle to achieve that condition.  He knew no top guy could match his size (242ish?), but he also wanted to be sure he was shredded beyond even the likes of smaller guys like Levrone, Ray, Taylor and Labrada.  Had he known Haney was coming back, he could have retained roughly comparable condition but not dieted off the mass needed to match Lee at 248-250.

Thoughts, apart from how I'm a thong-sniffing schmoe?   (I'm really not, apart from Tuesday evenings.  That's when I set up my shrine to Ken Sprague and that big, tattooed guy who recently died, Chris Duffy.  At least, I think he died?)

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lee Haney was at his all time best in 1991. He said this was the only Olympia he actually peaked the day of the contest , He was 249lbs. If he could replicate that compared to Dorian in 1992 he could beat him again. Dorian in 1991 was 239lbs and in 1992 he was 242lbs. Haney did compete in 1989 at 257lbs and he said his conditioning suffered for it. No version of Haney is beating Dorian in 1993. Haney retired in the best shape of his life ( No Mr Olympia after him can say that ) and broke Arnold's record. He had nothing to gain.

[Flexacon]

One of those years Haney "was criticized for losing definition" they were doing drug testing at the Mr O or some other similar BS. Everyone looked worse "definition" wise those years.

Haney retired pretty young. He was like 2 or 3 years older than Dorian and 4 or 5 years older than Ronnie. Assuming he was willing to embrace the chemical game similar to those guys he could have almost certainly added more size.

Also if their kidneys don't blow up then Black bodybuilder also tend to peak (size and conditioning wise) slightly older. Blacks peak mid 30s and into early 40s. White bodybuilders peak around late 20s to mid 30s.

If Haney had the desire and retardation he could have absolutely kept going throughout the 90s and maybe into the 00s

[Royalty]

Lee Haney was at his all time best in 1991. He said this was the only Olympia he actually peaked the day of the contest , He was 249lbs. If he could replicate that compared to Dorian in 1992 he could beat him again. Dorian in 1991 was 239lbs and in 1992 he was 242lbs. Haney did compete in 1989 at 257lbs and he said his conditioning suffered for it. No version of Haney is beating Dorian in 1993. Haney retired in the best shape of his life ( No Mr Olympia after him can say that ) and broke Arnold's record. He had nothing to gain.

Yates said that when he heard that Haney was not going to compete in 1992, he (Yates) decided to not come in as big as possible. He just focused on conditioning.

If Haney did not decide to retire, and Haney entered the show in 1992, Yates said that he would’ve come in as big as possible to battle Haney’s mass.

[Methyl m1ke]

In many ways Dorian was Haney 2.0, similar with a big back and smallish arms. Everything that made Dorian great Haney had and better. A better taper and much better flow to his physique. Also Olympia judges are notorious for awarding the sandow again and again to the same guy as long as he isn't getting blown out like we saw in 2006 with Ronnie and his atrophied left lat and arm.

I don't think Dorian would have won in 1992 and had he lost who knows what 1993 would have brought. Whatever Dorian was doing or taking in 1993 In theory Haney could have done as well. Also keep in mind Haney never really touched his potential yet Dorian definitely leaked in 93. He never looked improved beyond.

[US MUSL]

Haney would have beaten Dorian in 92, 93 not a chance.

[Pet shop boys]

The most admirable thing about Haney was knowing when to retire ... he is the most dominant /respected Olympian ever for many reasons .... coming back after breaking Arnold's record (which seemed impossible at the time) to see if he could beat a "newcomer" wouldn't have make any sense.



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[Donny]

Haney was a great champion but..Dorian was in another league & Haney knew it & left the stage

[Grape Ape]

In many ways Dorian was Haney 2.0, similar with a big back and smallish arms. Everything that made Dorian great Haney had and better. A better taper and much better flow to his physique. Also Olympia judges are notorious for awarding the sandow again and again to the same guy as long as he isn't getting blown out like we saw in 2006 with Ronnie and his atrophied left lat and arm.

I don't think Dorian would have won in 1992 and had he lost who knows what 1993 would have brought. Whatever Dorian was doing or taking in 1993 In theory Haney could have done as well. Also keep in mind Haney never really touched his potential yet Dorian definitely leaked in 93. He never looked improved beyond.

I don't see how Haney would have improved much.

His shape would be compromised, and he would not be in the same condition at a higher weight.

[Donny]

I don't see how Haney would have improved much.

His shape would be compromised, and he would not be in the same condition at a higher weight.

100% grape & to get bigger he would have to go one step higher which was too risky for him health wise. Haney is a clever man too

[Humble Narcissist]

Haney retired because he knew Yates was the future. The 91 O was only Dorian's 3rd pro contest. He probably would have beaten Haney in 92 and would have destroyed him in 93.

[Pet shop boys]

Haney retired because he knew Yates was the future. The 91 O was only Dorian's 3rd pro contest. He probably would have beaten Haney in 92 and would have destroyed him in 93.

Haney won his first O in 1984, as he kept on winning, he then wanted to beat Arnold's record .....  worrying about Dorian is like if he had a crystal ball to see the future and wanted to keep at it forever or until falling apart like Ronnie Coleman .



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[Donny]

Haney won his first O in 1984, as he kept on winning, he then wanted to beat Arnold's record .....  worrying about Dorian is like if he had a crystal ball to see the future and wanted to keep at it forever or until falling apart like Ronnie Coleman .



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Let´s not forget people like Haney & Dorian competed against a field of top Bodybuilders, Arnold won at least one Olympia because no one else was present! or it was just a few people

[Humble Narcissist]

Haney won his first O in 1984, as he kept on winning, he then wanted to beat Arnold's record .....  worrying about Dorian is like if he had a crystal ball to see the future and wanted to keep at it forever or until falling apart like Ronnie Coleman .



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He made his impact in the history of bodybuilding no doubt. Leaving in 92 was perfect timing because Ray, Wheeler and Levrone were on their way up along with Yates. Things would have gotten much tougher to crack the top three.

[Pet shop boys]

Let´s not forget people like Haney & Dorian competed against a field of top Bodybuilders, Arnold won at least one Olympia because no one else was present! or it was just a few people

You have to take in to account historical context, when Arnold won unposed he was like a 24 year old kid and the Olympia was a 5-yea rold contest,( not a big deal at the time )  most NABBA top contenders Universe Mr. World etc didnt want to risk their traditional tittles /status at the time to lose to some youngster at a Weider show that didn't mean anything for those "legends"  . Yes, Arnold 71 was in a class of his own, alone on stage or with the top 10 bbers at that time (maybe Oliva could have bitten him).




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[Donny]

You have to take in to account historical context, when Arnold won unposed he was like a 24 year old kid and the Olympia was a 5-yea rold contest,( not a big deal at the time )  most NABBA top contenders Universe Mr. World etc didnt want to risk their traditional tittles /status at the time to lose to some youngster at a Weider show that didn't mean anything for those "legends"  . Yes, Arnold 71 was in a class of his own, alone on stage or with the top 10 bbers at that time (maybe Oliva could have bitten him).




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Utter Rubbish Arnold didn´t want to face Pearl