If you were Ronnie Coleman today

[Never1AShow]

Isn't it obvious?  Either an acting career or get with Levrone and form a band.

[Pet shop boys]

Ronnie is the BB example of going “until the wheels fall off” mentality failing miserably.

He should have focused on his health and just by rebranding himself as a businessman after he retired.

Just having that business success is what many people dream to get from BB. It wasn’t enough for him though.

He aint Lee Labrada.


More to come



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[MCWAY]

Had your Grandmother been born a man she'd of been your Grandfather.
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IF & HAD 

Apparently, you didn't comprehend what I said. My initial statement was that Ray was too small in 1994, according to those judges. He was told he needed to be a bit bigger but keep his proportions; but he never did that in the mid 90s.

And that ties into the whole claim that Ronnie was simply a "dumb" guy who just did what he was told by his nutritionist/guru.

My point was (and remains) that Ronnie was SMART. Unlike Shawn Ray, he took the criticisms from the judges and his nutritionist. He needed to be bigger; he got bigger; he won the Olympia, leap-frogging over all the top guys.....including Shawn Ray.

[Never1AShow]

"You need to get bigger, but keep your proportions" that's some kind of expert judge advice?

I think you may be confusing what he was told:

EXPERT IFBB Judges: You need to be a Getbigger!

Ronnie C: Yeah Buddy!

[Bevo]

Apparently, you didn't comprehend what I said. My initial statement was that Ray was too small in 1994, according to those judges. He was told he needed to be a bit bigger but keep his proportions; but he never did that in the mid 90s.

And that ties into the whole claim that Ronnie was simply a "dumb" guy who just did what he was told by his nutritionist/guru.

My point was (and remains) that Ronnie was SMART. Unlike Shawn Ray, he took the criticisms from the judges and his nutritionist. He needed to be bigger; he got bigger; he won the Olympia, leap-frogging over all the top guys.....including Shawn Ray.

Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight

Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
 
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person

I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that

Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler

[Methyl m1ke]

Apparently, you didn't comprehend what I said. My initial statement was that Ray was too small in 1994, according to those judges. He was told he needed to be a bit bigger but keep his proportions; but he never did that in the mid 90s.

And that ties into the whole claim that Ronnie was simply a "dumb" guy who just did what he was told by his nutritionist/guru.

My point was (and remains) that Ronnie was SMART. Unlike Shawn Ray, he took the criticisms from the judges and his nutritionist. He needed to be bigger; he got bigger; he won the Olympia, leap-frogging over all the top guys.....including Shawn Ray.

Also Ronnie was told after 2003 that he was too big and in 2004 and 2005 he actually came in smaller and harder, it's a mystery how he lost In 2006.

[Methyl m1ke]

Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight

Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
 
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person

I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that

Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler

Shawn's all time best was 96, and he was denied a sandow because the judges were bitter that he never competed at 230 like they demanded.

[Bevo]

Also Ronnie was told after 2003 that he was too big and in 2004 and 2005 he actually came in smaller and harder, it's a mystery how he lost In 2006.

Ronnie was bigger in 2004 than he was in 2003

Supposedly 287-290 in 03 and 296 in 2004

I can tell you seeing him 3-4 wks out in 2003, he was in the 300+ range and was just massive

The irony was that he def should have lost in 2001 and in 2002 he tired to come in smaller and was off , and that year the line up was weak even though Kevin was 2nd and Cormier was 3rd, they were no threat and Jay so happens to have taken that year off

[Dave D]

Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight

Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
 
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person

I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that

Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler

Maybe Ronnie wasn’t comfortable disclosing his illegal drug use to Gus in an environment where others could hear him?


I’m not disagreeing or main point of Ronnie not paying attention though. He said in an interview that  he cut up potatoes to look like French fries, then he baked them and everyone thought he was eating French fries but they were cut up potatoes.

Guy was playing checkers while everyone else was playing chess.

[joswift]

Maybe Ronnie wasn’t comfortable disclosing his illegal drug use to Gus in an environment where others could hear him?


I’m not disagreeing or main point of Ronnie not paying attention though. He said in an interview that  he cut up potatoes to look like French fries, then he baked them and everyone thought he was eating French fries but they were cut up potatoes.

Guy was playing checkers while everyone else was playing chess.

why would it matter if they were French Fries as long as he takes into account the calories?

I eat fries almost every day cooked in beef dripping

[Never1AShow]

Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight

Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
 
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person

I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that

Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler

Are you trying to tell us that the greatest bodybuilder of all time did not measure his whitefish in grams?

[MCWAY]

Actually, Shawn was on record saying he did try to go up in weight, it was just that he couldn’t hold his condition and did worse, I think he went up to 215 at one point which affected his conditioning, so he reverted back to his 205/210 weight

Ronnie is a different beast, his physique and structure allowed him to carry more weight but still, his best was 1998/1999 and Arnold classic 2001
 
2003/2004 although bigger he wasn’t as sharp and unlike many others opinions I didn’t like those two years of Ronnie, massive , yes, and I saw Ronnie all the time in 2003 when he prepped for the O, so I saw his physique in person

I think you are misinterpreting what I mean when I said ronnie is dumb, what I mean is he didn’t even know what gear he was putting inside his body or what foods/carbs/proteins he was doing, he simply was just doing it, and I’m speaking from my encounters with Ronnie in person. I remember a short conversation I heard from him and Gus, the guy that was in his vids, and amateur competitor. Gus asked him something about dosages and Ronnie replied, “I don’t know, whatever Chad has me on and what to do, I just do it.” Does that sound like a smart guy? Haha 😂 Nice guy, yes, very laid back and chill, I give him that

Guys like Dorian and Shawn were meticulous and knew the science , and in and outs of gear, diet, everything. Shawn’s physique and limitations on genetics compared to Ronnie is a moot point, cause that’s out of his control. The guy was 5’7 in the era of mass monsters, there’s nothing he could have done better because he wasn’t made to carry massive amounts of weight no matter what he did. Same for flex wheeler

I agree with you on that point. I like Ronnie's physique from the 90s and early 2000s. Heck, his Mr. Universe physique, his 1995 look when he won his first show, and the 2001 ASC form are the top 3 (in no particular order) in terms of his best appearances.

[MCWAY]

Bevo can clarify himself, but I don't think he was saying Ronnie wasn't meticulous or couldn't follow instructions. It's about whether you sort of understand what you are doing technically. It's like the difference between a bodybuilding coach giving you a bodybuilding diet who then pulls carbs out of it to keep you losing weight and a schooled actual licensed nutritionist who understands what happens in the body in response to a diet (are Hany and Aceto nutritionists or "nutritionists"? For example, do they make you sure your diet contains sufficient magnesium or whatever it may be, covering all the necessary bases?). I saw a clip of Mike O'Hearn getting pissed at a guy whose heels kept getting off the footplate as he was doing hacks. You could say Mike "knows" how to train, yet not. He's so stupid he doesn't understand the guy's heel can't stay down because he doesn't have the ankle flexibility. You can be a complete moron and still eat chicken and rice and lift dumbells.

What you're basically describing is the difference between theoretical science and operational/empirical science. Simply put, knowing how something works vs. knowing simply THAT it works.

The guys from the "golden era" of the 70s were more of the latter. They knew what worked even if they couldn't get into the weeds and give you egghead explanations as to why.

My guess is Ronnie fit that mold, too. If it worked, he used it; if it didn't he dropped it and did something else.

[Dave D]

why would it matter if they were French Fries as long as he takes into account the calories?

I eat fries almost every day cooked in beef dripping

It doesn’t really matter what he ate, he was the champion.

He ate French fries. He literally described how he made them, but said they weren’t French fries. 

[beakdoctor]

If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.

[AbrahamG]

If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.

If I were Ronnie today I'd just fucking kill myself.  What a fucking retard. 

[Kwon]

Ronnie is Lee Labrada, so i would continue be the best businessman i could be, take naps during the day and hike in the mountains per usual.

[Pet shop boys]

If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.

Who knows if that's exactly what he's already doing at this point


Wouldn't surprise me a bit if they find all kinds of recreational drugs in his blood work

Ironically the gas is the only drug that no longer has an effect on Ronnie




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[beakdoctor]

Ronnie was bigger in 2004 than he was in 2003

Supposedly 287-290 in 03 and 296 in 2004

I can tell you seeing him 3-4 wks out in 2003, he was in the 300+ range and was just massive

The irony was that he def should have lost in 2001 and in 2002 he tired to come in smaller and was off , and that year the line up was weak even though Kevin was 2nd and Cormier was 3rd, they were no threat and Jay so happens to have taken that year off

Also Ronnie was told after 2003 that he was too big and in 2004 and 2005 he actually came in smaller and harder, it's a mystery how he lost In 2006.

Bevo, you don't seriously believe he "definitely" should've lost in 01. I mean, you could say it was close, could've gone either way, Ronnie looked like shit at the day show but pulled it together by the night show but Jay was sharp all day and night... however one can frame it. But definitely ? C'mon man. It was close because Ronnie DID improve over the course of the show but I believe he rightfully won.

I know, I know bodybuilding is more of a pageant than a sport but in every other sport the mark of a champion is the ability to comeback from a deficit. To turn the ship around, so to speak.

MethylMike, as far as 2006, are you saying you don't know how the hell the judges gave it to the fridge? Or are you saying you don't know how the hell Ronnie managed to blow it and lose after being so dominant?

At the time of the 06 Olympia,  I remember watching the live updates and , at the time, being somewhat relieved that Jay won. But it didn't make any sense. The biggest criticism of Ronnie was the whole conversation around aesthetics,  and they were talking about deducting points for bloated stomachs, and rewarding more streamlined physiques... so they rewarded the fridge? LOL. I was tired of Ronnie winning and didn't want him to break Haneys record BUT I also thought, if you're just gonna give it to Jay, why? Ronnie was still bigger and more ripped. There were imbalances in Ronnie, but Jay had a Left/Right imbalance too, and it wouldn't be the first time a guy with imbalances (Dickerson and Dorian) won the Olympia. So I really do think Jay winning in 06 should've been more controversial than Ronnie winning in 01. I mean Jay looked very impressive in his very first Olympia where he was 15th, he looked great in 01 and 09. Otherwise Jay LLS IMO.

[Humble Narcissist]

If I were Ronnie today, Id skip the prescription drugs, go straight to heroin, eat amphetamines, and hit the gas again and regain my former glory.

Dead by 80.

[beakdoctor]

Dead by 80.

At this point you have to commit to riding the horse that got you there.

[Flexacon]

Ronnie is on the really good prescription pain meds. He's high as a kite most of the day.

[Bevo]

Bevo, you don't seriously believe he "definitely" should've lost in 01. I mean, you could say it was close, could've gone either way, Ronnie looked like shit at the day show but pulled it together by the night show but Jay was sharp all day and night... however one can frame it. But definitely ? C'mon man. It was close because Ronnie DID improve over the course of the show but I believe he rightfully won.

I know, I know bodybuilding is more of a pageant than a sport but in every other sport the mark of a champion is the ability to comeback from a deficit. To turn the ship around, so to speak.

MethylMike, as far as 2006, are you saying you don't know how the hell the judges gave it to the fridge? Or are you saying you don't know how the hell Ronnie managed to blow it and lose after being so dominant?

At the time of the 06 Olympia,  I remember watching the live updates and , at the time, being somewhat relieved that Jay won. But it didn't make any sense. The biggest criticism of Ronnie was the whole conversation around aesthetics,  and they were talking about deducting points for bloated stomachs, and rewarding more streamlined physiques... so they rewarded the fridge? LOL. I was tired of Ronnie winning and didn't want him to break Haneys record BUT I also thought, if you're just gonna give it to Jay, why? Ronnie was still bigger and more ripped. There were imbalances in Ronnie, but Jay had a Left/Right imbalance too, and it wouldn't be the first time a guy with imbalances (Dickerson and Dorian) won the Olympia. So I really do think Jay winning in 06 should've been more controversial than Ronnie winning in 01. I mean Jay looked very impressive in his very first Olympia where he was 15th, he looked great in 01 and 09. Otherwise Jay LLS IMO.

I remember the score card and Jay had him by a mile, it was politics as usual how Jay lost in the end. Ronnie was off, just like in 02. Doing the Arnold classic 01 show he missed his peak for the Olympia. If Ronnie brought his 01 Arnold form, he would have won. 2001 Jay was his best showing imo, better than 09 his 2nd best showing

And I hate jay’s physique overall, but the damn fridge in 2001 put it all together and should have won. Hell, Jay should have competed in 02 since Ronnie was worse in 02 than 01.

Don’t get me wrong, Jay got a lot of gifts , he should have lost to Cormier in Arnold classic, forgot which year and jay’s 2006 and 07 Olympia wins he wasn’t great. Def politics, weiders wanted him to win since placing 2nd at the 01 O.

[AbrahamG]

Bevo, you don't seriously believe he "definitely" should've lost in 01. I mean, you could say it was close, could've gone either way, Ronnie looked like shit at the day show but pulled it together by the night show but Jay was sharp all day and night... however one can frame it. But definitely ? C'mon man. It was close because Ronnie DID improve over the course of the show but I believe he rightfully won.

I know, I know bodybuilding is more of a pageant than a sport but in every other sport the mark of a champion is the ability to comeback from a deficit. To turn the ship around, so to speak.

MethylMike, as far as 2006, are you saying you don't know how the hell the judges gave it to the fridge? Or are you saying you don't know how the hell Ronnie managed to blow it and lose after being so dominant?

At the time of the 06 Olympia,  I remember watching the live updates and , at the time, being somewhat relieved that Jay won. But it didn't make any sense. The biggest criticism of Ronnie was the whole conversation around aesthetics,  and they were talking about deducting points for bloated stomachs, and rewarding more streamlined physiques... so they rewarded the fridge? LOL. I was tired of Ronnie winning and didn't want him to break Haneys record BUT I also thought, if you're just gonna give it to Jay, why? Ronnie was still bigger and more ripped. There were imbalances in Ronnie, but Jay had a Left/Right imbalance too, and it wouldn't be the first time a guy with imbalances (Dickerson and Dorian) won the Olympia. So I really do think Jay winning in 06 should've been more controversial than Ronnie winning in 01. I mean Jay looked very impressive in his very first Olympia where he was 15th, he looked great in 01 and 09. Otherwise Jay LLS IMO.

I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06.  And if it wasn't going to be Ronnie, it should have went to Victor or Dexter. 

[Humble Narcissist]

I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06.  And if it wasn't going to be Ronnie, it should have went to Victor or Dexter.

Does it really matter now?