Another killing in MIN

[Grape Ape]

I agree. It is extremely unwise and dangerous to bring a weapon to a protest. However, if carrying the weapon was legal under state laws then law enforcement must respect his constitutional rights and due process. We should be willing to criticize any administration, including when it is "our side" in power, whenever civil liberties like the fourth or second amendments appear to be violated.

Like you, in this particular Minneapolis case, I don't have the full picture yet. The videos I've seen are grainy and it's hard to judge exactly what is happening moment by moment. Reports of warrantless entries and shootings are troubling and deserve transparent investigation. I also think our nation needs borders and enforcement of immigration policies and cooperation between state and federal agencies. But we can demand both accountability from federal agents and effective border security without excusing abuses on either side.

Exactly.

I don't disagree with his right to carry.

And I will wait to see this play out.

However, I would question, why he felt he needed to be there, for one, and be there with a weapon, for two.

I know when I carry, I have the added responsibility to AVOID conflict more than I would if I was not carrying, as any escalation could have higher consequences.

[oldschoolfan]

Exactly.

I don't disagree with his right to carry.

And I will wait to see this play out.

However, I would question, why he felt he needed to be there, for one, and be there with a weapon, for two.

I know when I carry, I have the added responsibility to AVOID conflict more than I would if I was not carrying, as any escalation could have higher consequences.

great poin grape

i would not bring a gun myself to a hostile protest situation. things can go south real quick

[chaos]

Imagine for a moment this "family man" had decided to spend time with his family as opposed top going armed in order to hinder law enforcement... Im not an expert but wouldnt him being with his family been a better course of action?

Right? Or if he would have just stayed on the sidewalk and whined about illegals instead of getting himself killed trying to fight LE.

[chaos]

He didn’t pull a gun on federal agents.  Did you even watch any of the videos of the shooting?

Personally, I think it’s bad when federal agents execute an American who was restrained and subdued.  Surprising to see so many here in favor of oppressive government tactics.  Well, not really surprising.  Disappointing nonetheless.

LOL @ you trying to change the narrative calling him "restrained and subdued". Pretty typical of you leftists to turn yourselves into victims when consequences come your way.

[WrongAdvices]

In an interview with his parents, they said yes he had a permit, but he never carried anywhere. Now all of a sudden he’s carrying it to a “protest” and approaching officers, great. People have the right to do many things, and do them very stupidly.

[Necrosis]

Exactly.

I don't disagree with his right to carry.

And I will wait to see this play out.

However, I would question, why he felt he needed to be there, for one, and be there with a weapon, for two.

I know when I carry, I have the added responsibility to AVOID conflict more than I would if I was not carrying, as any escalation could have higher consequences.

Your point is completely moot though, he is a law abiding citizen that is legally allowed to carry, what diffrence does it make. He did not brandish the weapon, threaten the ICE officers, he simply tried to help the lady off the ground and got murdered

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/alex-pretti-killing-witness-testimony


In no world is carrying a legal firearm grounds for being shot and killed in the back when seven officers are holding you down. They literally grab him from behind and throw him on the ground.

1a and 2a protects him unless you think US citizens should be murdered for exercising their rights peacefully?

[Necrosis]

Bad shootings are going to happen if folks keep putting themselves in situations they have no business being in.

I have not followed this, as I have Minneapolis fatigue, and I know this what those funding this  shit want......but given that, is any of this false:

None of this shit would be happening if the last admin didn't let all these folks in, the media was honest, and if local gov't worked with the feds, not against it.

its such a red herring to claim that people are being funded my guy. You think all those folks are being funded, or do you think that there is targeted revenge from the president on his political and outspoken opponent that is causing havoc in the city and people are acting in a way that any rational actor would.

Min isn't unique in its immigrant problem.Not one red state has been targeted like this, but low and behold blue states are lol

[Necrosis]

In an interview with his parents, they said yes he had a permit, but he never carried anywhere. Now all of a sudden he’s carrying it to a “protest” and approaching officers, great. People have the right to do many things, and do them very stupidly.

Again, he is allowed by the constitution to do both lolol. Or are these rights subject to context?

he showed no aggression, signed affidavits attest to it, he is holding a phone not a gun and was not the source of the scuffle, it was a women.

Saying he planned to protest potentially illegal activity by ICE (like wrongfully detaining us citizens, warrantless entries etc) helps ICE's case for shooting him dead in the street is an insane take.

The way ICE are going about this is retarded, this can't be the most efficient and professional manner in which to do this. It appears to be smash and grab and to hell with the consequences, the end justifies the means.

[chaos]

Your point is completely moot though, he is a law abiding citizen that is legally allowed to carry, what diffrence does it make. He did not brandish the weapon, threaten the ICE officers, he simply tried to help the lady off the ground and got murdered

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/alex-pretti-killing-witness-testimony


In no world is carrying a legal firearm grounds for being shot and killed in the back when seven officers are holding you down. They literally grab him from behind and throw him on the ground.

1a and 2a protects him unless you think US citizens should be murdered for exercising their rights peacefully?

How did his gun get out of the holster? Why didn't he comply when they tried to take him down?

[Grape Ape]

its such a red herring to claim that people are being funded my guy. You think all those folks are being funded, or do you think that there is targeted revenge from the president on his political and outspoken opponent that is causing havoc in the city and people are acting in a way that any rational actor would.

Min isn't unique in its immigrant problem.Not one red state has been targeted like this, but low and behold blue states are lol

I absolutely think these things are funded, because they are.

I don't think every individual is funded.  They are, for the most part, useful idiots manipulated by a myriad of methods, who become swept up in it for a myriad of reasons.

[Grape Ape]

Your point is completely moot though, he is a law abiding citizen that is legally allowed to carry, what diffrence does it make. He did not brandish the weapon, threaten the ICE officers, he simply tried to help the lady off the ground and got murdered

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/alex-pretti-killing-witness-testimony


In no world is carrying a legal firearm grounds for being shot and killed in the back when seven officers are holding you down. They literally grab him from behind and throw him on the ground.

1a and 2a protects him unless you think US citizens should be murdered for exercising their rights peacefully?

My point is not moot.

For example, if I am carrying and someone starts an altercation, my job is to avoid conflict, walk away, etc.  Even if I thought I would win without the weapon.  It's an additional responsibility a firearm carrier should have.

You avoid situations where something unnecessary could happen.

He did not do this, he put himself right in the middle of one.

[WrongAdvices]

Necrosis is fuming, but very carefully hewing to the more than three posts in a row is a meltdown rule. Please push him over the edge.

Times like these are why we need JPJ released from lock up.

[Necrosis]

My point is not moot.

For example, if I am carrying and someone starts an altercation, my job is to avoid conflict, walk away, etc.  Even if I thought I would win without the weapon.  It's an additional responsibility a firearm carrier should have.

You avoid situations where something unnecessary could happen.

He did not do this, he put himself right in the middle of one.

thats a moot point and wouldnt stand in court though. its debatable and at best circumstantial. not that i disagree with you

[Necrosis]

Necrosis is fuming, but very carefully hewing to the more than three posts in a row is a meltdown rule. Please push him over the edge.

Times like these are why we need JPJ released from lock up.

lololol

[Garbage Man]

Exactly.

I don't disagree with his right to carry.

And I will wait to see this play out.

However, I would question, why he felt he needed to be there, for one, and be there with a weapon, for two.

I know when I carry, I have the added responsibility to AVOID conflict more than I would if I was not carrying, as any escalation could have higher consequences.

This is why so many people dislike you.

You don't stick to your values.

Which means you don't really believe in them.

Fake, plastic man

[Necrosis]

This is why so many people dislike you.

You don't stick to your values.

Which means you don't really believe in them.

Fake, plastic man

Kyle rittenhouse out here crossing state lines with 30 rounds and rifle, shooting eight times and killing two and he is a hero, this guy, stays at home, legal right to carry, did nothing according to eye witnesses, gets murked in the streets.

Rittenhouse a hero protecting others, this guy, a demon looking to massacre officers in broad daylight.

[joswift]

This is why so many people dislike you.

You don't stick to your values.

Which means you don't really believe in them.

Fake, plastic man

what did he say you disagree with?

[chaos]

Kyle rittenhouse out here crossing state lines with 30 rounds and rifle, shooting eight times and killing two and he is a hero, this guy, stays at home, legal right to carry, did nothing according to eye witnesses, gets murked in the streets.

Rittenhouse a hero protecting others, this guy, a demon looking to massacre officers in broad daylight.

Might be one of the dumbest comparisons I've seen so far about this situation.

[Raymondo]

Kyle rittenhouse out here crossing state lines with 30 rounds and rifle, shooting eight times and killing two and he is a hero, this guy, stays at home, legal right to carry, did nothing according to eye witnesses, gets murked in the streets.

Rittenhouse a hero protecting others, this guy, a demon looking to massacre officers in broad daylight.

It's a poor analogy, the situations were not the same. I saw it repeated on X today a lot.

Speaking of X here's something I read, I have no idea if it is true or not, honestly I don't care since it's not my debate I just think it was interesting.

One of the cops took the gun, the first gunshot heard was the gun going off, which (according to the X poster is not uncommon to that Sig model), the other cop thought they were under fire, started shooting, the others joined in.

[Necrosis]

Might be one of the dumbest comparisons I've seen so far about this situation.

its pretty apt to point out the hypocrisy of right wingers who pick and choose when to stand behind there values solely based on their political leanings. It also highlights how black and white people see things when to admit nuance threatens their world view. Rittenhouse had all these contextual underpinnings, this situation? plain as day, he was resisting after being assaulted by cops (what exactly did he do, witnesses say nothing) therefore FAFO.

Oh and he had a gun! he should of planned in advance potential futural circumstances that happen to 1 in 10 million folks.

The moving goalposts are hilarious, it shows intellectual dishonesty. Take a page out of my book, re-evaluate the situation as more information comes to light, put down your bias and be objective and stand for something.

If it's true thats my position, you appear to have a sliding scale beholden to variables that appear wholly political.

[Necrosis]

It's a poor analogy, the situations were not the same. I saw it repeated on X today a lot.

Speaking of X here's something I read, I have no idea if it is true or not, honestly I don't care since it's not my debate I just think it was interesting.

One of the cops took the gun, the first gunshot heard was the gun going off, which (according to the X poster is not uncommon to that Sig model), the other cop thought they were under fire, started shooting, the others joined in.

I am not sure of a similar situation that would apply. It's relation is gun laws, rights etc.. in one circumstance they stood in another they do not. Those claiming he shouldn't have put himself there with a gun seem to absolve kyle of the same thing.

There is no perfect analogy but on closer inspection the lines of flight start from common ground.

The video you can see the cop put the gun to the guys back and fire the first shot heard. the guy that took the fellas gun it gun butting him with it lololololol.

Obviously more information needs to come out but its not looking good at all.

What would be a similar situation where cops were held liable? flloyd? i dont know.

[Van_Bilderass]

Personally I'm the type of guy who would never go to any protest and I remove myself from situations when I see things start to heat up etc. But reading this thread I simultaneously saw this somewhere. I remember at the time how crazy I felt the optics were since I don't see weapons here hardly ever. I don't necessarily endorse whatever Glenn is saying, but he might have a point regarding what Noem said, I'm undecided.

I do note that some here have said if the government came for their guns, even if the cops had a "lawful order" (or I guess in their mind it would at that point breach the constitution or whatever) they would light up the cops.

[Grape Ape]

what did he say you disagree with?

don't entertain the sub 100 post troll

he's being doing this for years and has to resort to a gimmick because his other accounts get banned

[Grape Ape]

Kyle rittenhouse out here crossing state lines with 30 rounds and rifle, shooting eight times and killing two and he is a hero, this guy, stays at home, legal right to carry, did nothing according to eye witnesses, gets murked in the streets.

Rittenhouse a hero protecting others, this guy, a demon looking to massacre officers in broad daylight.

Kyle Rittenhouse, whether or not you believe his intentions right or wrong, was there because local business owners felt the police were NOT doing their jobs, and asked for help during the BLM Riots.

This current case involved police/ice DOING their jobs, so what was that guy doing there with a loaded weapon?

The context is entirely different.

And LOL on the "crossing state lines".......as if it means anything.

[illuminati]

Kyle Rittenhouse, whether or not you believe his intentions right or wrong, was there because local business owners felt the police were NOT doing their jobs, and asked for help during the BLM Riots.

This current case involved police/Ice DOING their jobs, so what was that guy doing there with a loaded weapon?

The context is entirely different.

And LOL on the "crossing state lines".......as if it means anything.

What the Likes of Pronoun Boy Brain Necrosis totally miss is.....
If the Stupid Leftist idiots just got out the way & let Police / ICE
do there Lawful job & stayed home instead of being a Fucking pain
& hindrance these oh so Innocents wouldn't get themselves into
unwanted Dangerous situations.
Only that's far to sensible & completely beyond the thinking of
Twat that got shot & the likes of Brain Necrosis. 

As we keep seeing from Pronoun boy necrosis he's incapable of
thinking normally or that the actions of the Loony leftists are
responsible for there own situation / demise.