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Even after 2000 years they are still trying to cover up the truth!

Google Translate still works though. I wanted to translate this to English for Getbiggers as I found it very edifying.


Culpabilité des Juifs et qualificatif de peuple « déicide »

La mise à mort de Jésus est en rapport avec son humanité, non pas en rapport avec sa divinité.
Qualifier les Juifs de déicides, c'est la même erreur que font les catholiques (et orthodoxes) quand ils qualifient la vierge Marie de « mère de Dieu » (depuis un concile tenu à Éphèse en 431) ; elle est mère de Jésus en rapport avec Son humanité, non pas en rapport avec Sa divinité. Pareillement la mise à mort du Seigneur est en rapport avec Son humanité, non pas en rapport avec Sa divinité. Dieu ne peut pas être mis à mort.

La chrétienté moderne a décidé à tort de ne plus considérer les Juifs comme responsables de la mort de Christ.
On confond responsabilité et conséquences de la responsabilité, on confond jugement de la part des hommes et de la part de Dieu. La responsabilité des Juifs est reconnue par l'Écriture, Matt. 27:25, Zach. 12:10, et le Seigneur en croix a prié le Père disant « Père pardonne-leur, ils ne savent ce qu'ils font ». Il a demandé le pardon, ce qui est le contraire de nier la responsabilité et l'existence de la culpabilité. — La culpabilité des Juifs, ou tout au moins celle de leurs chefs religieux, en rapport avec la mise à mort de Jésus est expréssément affirmée par l'apôtre Pierre (Actes 5:30) et par le martyr Étienne (Actes 7:52). On remarque que Zach.12:10 attribue aux Juifs le fait d'avoir "percé" le Seigneur ; si les Romains l'ont fait matériellement, la paternité de l'Actes revient moralement aux Juifs (Matt.27).

Reconnaitre la culpabilité des Juifs n'est pas une source d'antisémitisme pour le vrai chrétien.
On prétend habituellement que reconnaitre la culpabilité des Juifs est une source d'antisémitisme, mais c'est là ignorer entièrement le vrai esprit chrétien selon la sainte Écriture.
1. L'apôtre Paul affirme que les Juifs ne plaisent pas à Dieu et que la colère de Dieu est venue sur eux (1 Thes. 2:15-16), mais il affirme ailleurs à maintes reprises son grand amour pour son peuple (Rom. 9:1-5; 10:1; 11:28b).
2. L'apôtre Pierre qui affirme la culpabilité des Juifs en Actes 5:30, dit immédiatement après (5:31), que Jésus ainsi mis à mort, a été exalté par Dieu pour être 'prince ET SAUVEUR', afin de donner la repentance à Israël et la rémission des péchés.— Bien loin de susciter l'animosité, Pierre présente Jésus comme Sauveur qui ôte les péchés.
3. Affirmer la culpabilité des Juifs ne permet pas de se croire supérieur(s) à eux ou meilleur(s) qu'eux. Bien au contraire, l'Écriture souligne souvent la culpabilité commune de tous les hommes. L'écriteau « Roi des Juifs » fixé sur la croix et écrit en hébreu, grec et latin, les trois grandes langues de l'époque, témoignait de cette culpabilité commune. — Le romain Pilate a beau s'être lavé les mains pour affirmer sa propre innocence et renvoyer la culpabilité sur les Juifs (Matt. 27:24), cela ne lui a pas fait échapper à sa propre responsabilité en raison de sa fonction et de son titre de gouverneur (Matt. 27:2 et Luc 3:1 ; Actes 4:27). Les nations ont clairement une part de responsabilité dans la mise à mort du Seigneur.
4. Dieu considère également Juifs et nations comme coupables devant Lui (Rom. 1:18-32 pour les nations ; Rom. 3:17-29 pour les Juifs), et ensuite Il fait miséricorde aux uns autant qu'aux autres (Rom. 11:32).
5. La parabole des deux esclaves endettés en Matt. 18:23-35 montre que, quand on est coupable, on n'a pas à accuser d'autres également coupables, mais à un degré différent.
6. Mépriser les Juifs pour leur rôle dans la mise à mort du Seigneur, c'est aussi ignorer que Dieu leur accordera le plein pardon et une pleine restauration définitive quand ils se seront repentis (ce qui aura lieu, c'est certain ; de nombreuses prophéties en parlent), tandis qu'alors les nations tomberont sous le jugement de Dieu.



Jewish Guilt and the Label of a Deicidal People
The killing of Jesus relates to his humanity, not his divinity.
To label the Jews as deicides is the same mistake Catholics (and Orthodox) make when they call the Virgin Mary “Mother of God” (since a council held in Ephesus in 431); she is the mother of Jesus in relation to his humanity, not his divinity. Similarly, the killing of the Lord relates to his humanity, not his divinity. God cannot be put to death.

Modern Christianity has wrongly decided to no longer consider the Jews responsible for the death of Christ. Responsibility is confused with the consequences of responsibility, and judgment by humans is confused with judgment by God. The responsibility of the Jews is recognized by Scripture, Matthew 27:25, Zechariah 26:1. 12:10, and the Lord on the cross prayed to the Father, saying, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” He asked for forgiveness, which is the opposite of denying responsibility and the existence of guilt. — The guilt of the Jews, or at least that of their religious leaders, in connection with the killing of Jesus is expressly affirmed by the apostle Peter (Acts 5:30) and by the martyr Stephen (Acts 7:52). It is noteworthy that Zechariah 12:10 attributes to the Jews the act of “piercing” the Lord; while the Romans did so physically, the moral responsibility for the act lies with the Jews (Matthew 27).

Recognizing the guilt of the Jews is not a source of antisemitism for the true Christian.

It is commonly claimed that acknowledging the guilt of the Jews is a source of antisemitism, but this completely ignores the true Christian spirit according to Holy Scripture.

1. The apostle Paul states that the Jews displease God and that God's wrath has come upon them (1 Thessalonians 2:15-16), but elsewhere he repeatedly affirms his great love for his people (Romans 9:1-5; 10:1; 11:28b).

2. The apostle Peter, who affirms the guilt of the Jews in Acts 5:30, immediately afterward (5:31) says that Jesus, thus put to death, was exalted by God to be 'prince and savior,' in order to bring repentance to Israel and the forgiveness of sins. Far from stirring up animosity, Peter presents Jesus as the Savior who takes away sins.

3. Affirming the guilt of the Jews does not allow one to consider oneself superior or better than them. On the contrary, Scripture often emphasizes the common guilt of all humankind. The inscription "King of the Jews," affixed to the cross and written in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin—the three major languages ​​of the time—testified to this shared guilt. Even though the Roman Pilate washed his hands to affirm his own innocence and shift the blame onto the Jews (Matt. 27:24), this did not absolve him of his own responsibility because of his office and title as governor (Matt. 27:2 and Luke 3:1; Acts 4:27). The nations clearly bear some responsibility for the Lord's death.

4. God considers both Jews and Gentiles guilty before Him (Rom. 1:18-32 for the Gentiles; Rom. 3:17-29 for the Jews), and then He shows mercy to both (Rom. 11:32).

5. The parable of the two indebted slaves in Matt. 18:23-35 shows that when one is guilty, one should not accuse others who are equally guilty, but to a different degree.

6. To despise the Jews for their role in the Lord's death is also to ignore that God will grant them full forgiveness and complete restoration when they repent (which will certainly happen; many prophecies speak of it), while at that time the Gentiles will fall under God's judgment.

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This sounds reasonable. Put some trigger warnings in there. The Bible is dangerous in the wrong hands and without some censorship.

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This sounds reasonable. Put some trigger warnings in there. The Bible is dangerous in the wrong hands and without some censorship.

Will they also be putting anti-Gentile warnings in the Jewish religious texts?

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Will they also be putting anti-Gentile warnings in the Jewish religious texts?
We can be sure they won't be.

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Will they also be putting anti-Gentile warnings in the Jewish religious texts?

Is that even a real question? :D

"The Talmud is just Rabbis debating each other and they say all kinds of things, it's not that serious or authoritative" - Jews

Jesus is the son of a whore and boiling in a vat of shit and semen in hell. Well, it's just an opinion, man.

If there's a religious or knowledgeable Jew here maybe they can fact check this article:

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

"Furthermore, religious Jews apparently pray to Satan almost as readily as they pray to God, and depending upon the various rabbinical schools, the particular rituals and sacrifices they practice may be aimed at enlisting the support of the one or the other. Once again, so long as the rituals are properly followed, the Satan-worshippers and the God-worshippers get along perfectly well and consider each other equally pious Jews, merely of a slightly different tradition. One point that Shahak repeatedly emphasizes is that in traditional Judaism the nature of the ritual itself is absolutely uppermost, while the interpretation of the ritual is rather secondary. So perhaps a Jew who washes his hands three times clockwise might be horrified by another who follows a counter-clockwise direction, but whether the hand-washing were meant to honor God or to honor Satan would hardly be a matter of much consequence.

Strangely enough, many of the traditional rituals are explicitly intended to fool or trick God or His angels or sometimes Satan, much like the mortal heroes of some Greek legend might seek to trick Zeus or Aphrodite. For example, certain prayers must be uttered in Aramaic rather than Hebrew on the grounds that holy angels apparently don’t understand the former language, and their confusion allows those verses to slip by unimpeded and take effect without divine interference."

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ENGLISH language please.
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Surprised I’m commenting here as I find the bible to be a bit boring, but sometimes Jesus says some viral shit I’m just learning about.

Here is an actual quote of Jesus to the Jews “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires."

Jesus was a bit more of like a gangster than I thought, lol.

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Does chatGPT also refuse to acknowledge the true identity of the original Hebrews?

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chat gpt says Caitlyn Jenner is a woman

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Satan trying to suppress the word of God

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chat gpt says Caitlyn Jenner is a woman

Ask it if he's a biological male - and the leftist programming is
like getting answer from Prime Ha Ha Ha

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chat gpt says Caitlyn Jenner is a woman
Getting real tired of your bullshit. Stay on topic

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Getting real tired of your bullshit. Stay on topic
Antidisestablishmentarianism is a political position. It means "to keep an established church". An official state church is called the "established" church, so a disestablishmentarian is a person who wants to stop the state church. These people say a state church hurts the freedom of religion.

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OP: ChatGPT did translate it for me. Tell it to not censor and translate as you asked. I just asked translate and it complied.


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ChatGPT is just a tool that you can mold to your own views...


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Ask it if he's a biological male - and the leftist programming is
like getting answer from Prime Ha Ha Ha
You can just ask it to make an argument for why Jenner is a male and not a female. It will comply.

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You can just ask it to make an argument for why Jenner is a male and not a female. It will comply.

There's no need to as He is a Biological Male & will be until he dies.

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There's no need to as He is a Biological Male & will be until he dies.
Agreed. Just making the point that ChatGPT can be whatever you want it to be.

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Agreed. Just making the point that ChatGPT can be whatever you want it to be.

as long as you have a left wing ideology

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This sounds reasonable. Put some trigger warnings in there. The Bible is dangerous in the wrong hands and without some censorship.

Not sure if serious but this is concerning

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OP: ChatGPT did translate it for me. Tell it to not censor and translate as you asked. I just asked translate and it complied.



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