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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2150 on: May 07, 2026, 05:42:24 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/07/trump-project-freedom-saudi-arabia-strait-of-hormuz

A refusal by Saudi Arabia to allow the US to use its bases and airspace to provide a military escort for oil tankers passing through the strait of Hormuz lay behind Donald Trump’s decision to shelve the plan days after it had been launched.

Riyadh told the White House it would not allow its Prince Sultan airbase to be used to mount the operation billed as Project Freedom, which the US presented as the successor to the bombing campaign called Operation Epic Fury.

Saudi Arabia refused to drop its objections despite a personal call between the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, and Trump, NBC reported.

Most people would have gotten permission ahead of time before running onto social media and bragging.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2151 on: May 07, 2026, 11:08:14 PM »
Iran was apparently 2 weeks away from making nukes and somehow never decided to make one. Seems to me Iran could have avoided all this damage to their infrastructure and lost lives if they just made nukes and tested them. Then the US would not have attacked them. They would be fools if they don't assemble nukes ASAP. Israel is just itching to send 100 nukes their way. Both Trump and Israeli leaders have claimed they wanted to send Iran back to the stone age and wipe out their civilization. That's a big motivation right there for Iran!

Netanyahu was saying that in the early 2000's before people had flat-screen TV's.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2152 on: May 08, 2026, 02:23:08 AM »
Getting what done? driving up the cost of living and bankrupting yourselves? didnt you just cross 100% GPD to debt? By the end of his term trump will be personally responsible for 1/3 of all the debt lol

Are you comfortable with the fact that repubs have been factually horrible for the economy by nearly every metric and have started to major wars in the modern era?

I guess they capture the manifest destiny ego inflation of the losers. The religious fundamentalist wackos who think that their god is the true god.

Trump has made Iran stronger and more capable than ever. We like that. We want Iran to control the straight of hormuz. Within 10 years and probably a lot less the GCC will be back to the dark ages and will not be supplying much if any cheap energy to the world.   

But we will be.

Our navy will control the straight of malaca and the panema canal. All that national debt you mentioned, that's a good point. You really are sharp. But it just so happens the top 10 or so nations that we are indebted to are all very much dependant on imported cheap energy.

If the GCC and Iran arent supplying them with cheap energy, where will it be coming from?

Could be Russia. That's possible.

I wouldn't bet on it. They will be getting their energy from US.

This is what trump envisions and is working toward.

Europe will need to arm themselves once Trump dissolves nato. More money for us.

We will need no one and import nothing but money. We will manufacture and sell to the world energy, weapons, food and glorious Democracy. One day you will see, and your kids and grand children will look at our generation as their heroes.

You can be bitter if it suits you. Take care.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2153 on: May 08, 2026, 02:32:36 AM »
Easily.
You still have not explained how. Trump would like to know. Call him! Just Do It!

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2154 on: May 08, 2026, 02:56:29 AM »
Netanyahu was saying that in the early 2000's before people had flat-screen TV's.
Exactly. And somehow they never developed a nuke. Why's that? Maybe because they never wanted to? They should have every incentive now to develop them. They were fools to wait this long.

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« Reply #2155 on: May 08, 2026, 03:09:19 AM »
Trump has made Iran stronger and more capable than ever. We like that. We want Iran to control the straight of hormuz. Within 10 years and probably a lot less the GCC will be back to the dark ages and will not be supplying much if any cheap energy to the world.   

But we will be.

Our navy will control the straight of malaca and the panema canal. All that national debt you mentioned, that's a good point. You really are sharp. But it just so happens the top 10 or so nations that we are indebted to are all very much dependant on imported cheap energy.

If the GCC and Iran arent supplying them with cheap energy, where will it be coming from?

Could be Russia. That's possible.

I wouldn't bet on it. They will be getting their energy from US.

This is what trump envisions and is working toward.

Europe will need to arm themselves once Trump dissolves nato. More money for us.

We will need no one and import nothing but money. We will manufacture and sell to the world energy, weapons, food and glorious Democracy. One day you will see, and your kids and grand children will look at our generation as their heroes.

You can be bitter if it suits you. Take care.

God Bless the United States of America.
God Bless Donald Trump
and before I forget, God Bless Chaos for his patriotism and unwavering support of this great nation.
It’s fine to be a patriot, but when your government’s bombing schools full of young girls, it’s time to wake the hell up and question everything. I’m not blindly loyal. The US is the bad guy — controlled by corrupt assholes. And honestly, the American people deserve way better.

Israel and AIPAC practically run the show here. It’s embarrassing — Israel isn’t even 80 years old, and yet it’s pulling strings over a country that’s centuries older. Pathetic.

I used to be a huge Trump supporter, too. But he’s either been compromised or he’s been playing us all like a damn wrestling script. He’s tearing apart the US’ already tattered reputation. And guess what? He turned out to be Israel’s top bitch. Not the alpha he bragged about — Bibi’s the one calling the shots. His master.

The US needs to start getting along with the rest of the world. Trump promised no more wars, fixing infrastructure, cutting debt, and bringing manufacturing home. What did he do? The opposite. Every. Single. Thing.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2156 on: May 08, 2026, 04:44:43 AM »
Exactly. And somehow they never developed a nuke. Why's that? Maybe because they never wanted to? They should have every incentive now to develop them. They were fools to wait this long.

They could of but had a fatwa on it.

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« Reply #2157 on: May 08, 2026, 04:47:00 AM »
It’s fine to be a patriot, but when your government’s bombing schools full of young girls, it’s time to wake the hell up and question everything. I’m not blindly loyal. The US is the bad guy — controlled by corrupt assholes. And honestly, the American people deserve way better.

Israel and AIPAC practically run the show here. It’s embarrassing — Israel isn’t even 80 years old, and yet it’s pulling strings over a country that’s centuries older. Pathetic.

I used to be a huge Trump supporter, too. But he’s either been compromised or he’s been playing us all like a damn wrestling script. He’s tearing apart the US’ already tattered reputation. And guess what? He turned out to be Israel’s top bitch. Not the alpha he bragged about — Bibi’s the one calling the shots. His master.

The US needs to start getting along with the rest of the world. Trump promised no more wars, fixing infrastructure, cutting debt, and bringing manufacturing home. What did he do? The opposite. Every. Single. Thing.

How could you not tell he has always been a conman? you seem reasonable. It boggles my mind that intelligent people could get behind him after his first term and the idiocy leading up to this one.

The guy literally lies about everything, his golf scores, the war, paying for the ballroom, conversations he never had etc.. he is a malignant narc to a tee and destroying your country.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2158 on: May 08, 2026, 06:32:04 AM »
How could you not tell he has always been a conman? you seem reasonable. It boggles my mind that intelligent people could get behind him after his first term and the idiocy leading up to this one.

The guy literally lies about everything, his golf scores, the war, paying for the ballroom, conversations he never had etc.. he is a malignant narc to a tee and destroying your country.
And yet, somehow people are still fleeing their shithole countries and risking their lives to come to our "destroyed" country. ::)
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #2159 on: May 08, 2026, 06:37:18 AM »
And yet, somehow people are still fleeing their shithole countries and risking their lives to come to our "destroyed" country. ::)
the most are fleeing to Europe, what you get in the US of A is just a trickle ..mexico has nothing to do with the "Oil Wars"

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2160 on: May 08, 2026, 07:16:13 AM »
the most are fleeing to Europe, what you get in the US of A is just a trickle ..mexico has nothing to do with the "Oil Wars"
That's your fault. You helped create that situation over there. Suck it up, Nancy Boy.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2161 on: May 08, 2026, 07:41:48 AM »
the most are fleeing to Europe, what you get in the US of A is just a trickle ..mexico has nothing to do with the "Oil Wars"

During Joe Biden’s term, Biden completely opened up the USA/Mexican border.  A terror group from the middle easily could’ve waltzed across the border. (Especially after the Supreme Leader of Iran put out a bounty on President Trump in early 2020)

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« Reply #2162 on: May 08, 2026, 07:58:22 AM »
And yet, somehow people are still fleeing their shithole countries and risking their lives to come to our "destroyed" country. ::)

Like who? lol

no one from any decent country. Real bragging rights there. You have people fleeing third world countries!

The key word here is destroying- not destroyed. One is processual the other a static state. He is actively causing the decline of your country, it's standing in the world and it's overall support. Look at his hilarious board of peace, a group of fucking losers like him.


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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2163 on: May 08, 2026, 08:22:18 AM »
During Joe Biden’s term, Biden completely opened up the USA/Mexican border.  A terror group from the middle easily could’ve waltzed across the border. (Especially after the Supreme Leader of Iran put out a bounty on President Trump in early 2020)
I am not a Trump hater but let´s not put him up there on a throne.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2164 on: May 08, 2026, 08:33:16 AM »
Like who? lol

no one from any decent country.
Would you consider Canada a "decent" country?
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2165 on: May 08, 2026, 08:54:00 AM »
Real Iranians love Trump

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2166 on: May 08, 2026, 10:32:43 AM »
That's your fault. You helped create that situation over there. Suck it up, Nancy Boy.

He did & his Left wing Comrades

Notice how the coward totally avoids his leftist connections

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2167 on: May 08, 2026, 10:38:12 AM »
Real Iranians love Trump

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I'm not Iranian so it's not my call to make but somehow I'm absolutely disgusted by the liberal Iranian living in the west, the ones who love bombing of their country. One even said Iran should be nuked. Funny how "liberal" can be applied a number of different ways as in that vid. In general I've disliked the Iranians in my life but Seyed Mohammed Marandi is a stud. All class but with brass balls.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2168 on: May 08, 2026, 11:01:47 AM »
This already old as things move fast these days but this by my favorite antisemitic shitposter. I obviously like his analysis. I didn't say Bibi had already decided on using a nuke but I did mention likely nuke use by Israel/US as far back as last June.

Iran War: The Nuclear Elephant in Trump’s War Room
Andrew Anglin • April 22, 2026

Most of us are getting our information and analysis about the Iran War from podcasts. The mainstream news is useless, and to my personal regret, the days of blogging are mostly over. Alternative voices prefer podcasts.

Judge Napolitano, Glenn Diesen, Danny Davis, that Uzbek guy, they are all running the same commentators in a loop, creating enough content to listen to every waking hour. (Given that this is all allowed on YouTube, and becoming very popular, one has to wonder if there is something more nefarious at work, though most of the people appear to me honest, so if it is a psyop, most of them are not in on it.)

Tucker Carlson, the podcast beast, has a bigger variety of guests, and also gives his own commentary.

Representing the Chinese perspective is Professor Jiang. This more or less overlaps with the other podcasts, though it contains more “hard conspiracy” type information, regarding the Freemasons and such, which is representative of a more conspiratorial perspective in China these days than in America. His “predictive history” is of a Chinese character as well, simply a way to put a mystical flare on “rational analysis based on available data.”

(Note: I was deeply offended Tucker called Jiang a “prophet” in his interview title for predicting after the ear scratch that Trump would win and then start a war with Iran. Someone else called that. Someone very close. Someone writing this right now.)

In my analysis, something like 85% of the stuff said on these podcasts about the war is correct.

(Note: I exclude Scott Ritter, who is an unhinged kook and/or an asset designed to make anyone who hosts him look retarded. Publicly caught in two jailbait stings, he’d be an easy man to manipulate. Seriously, do you know how many “underage girls” have tried to contact me in the last 15 years? Guess how many I responded to. How stupid can you get?)

In the 15% space where most or all of these podcast people miss the mark, there is a big problem. These are mostly older gentlemen who don’t seem to be able to grasp the idea that anyone, including Netanyahu, would be willing to start a nuclear war. However, he is willing and it is very obviously his plan.

Let’s Walk Through This

The current story, as we understand it, is that the Mossad chief, uniquely charismatic and handsome Jew David Barnea, convinced Donald Trump that he could do a “regime change from the air” in Iran. The claim was that if he killed the Ayatollah and some other leaders, did a bit of bombing, the population of the country would rise up and install a Jeffersonian democracy, or maybe demand the Shah return, or whatever. I can believe Trump believed this. I can’t believe anyone else involved at any level believed it. From reporting in the New York Times, we see that everyone in Trump’s cabinet, except Pete Hegseth (who doesn’t really count), said the plan was nonsensical. That includes Rubio, Ratcliffe, all of them.

Regime change from the air has never happened (nb4 – there was a US-armed terrorist army in Libya, also that wasn’t a “regime change,” just the creation of anarchy, something which isn’t viable in Iran, given the missile and drone stocks would still exist and be used by someone). Assuming you do not completely dismantle the government, killing a national leader, no matter how unpopular the leader may be, always and invariably results in a “rally around the flag” phenomenon.

In this case, you can imagine 19 year old men who were in underground disco on Molly on February 28 and in a cave, turbaned up and training in a with Kalashnikovs on March 1. People simply do not support countries that attack their country.

There are decades worth of papers showing that what we’ve seen happen in this war is exactly what would happen: ballistic missile retaliation capable of devastating the US bases in the region and crippling the West Coast Gulf states for decades by destroying ports, oil fields, and water desalination plants, successful strikes on Israel, and the closure of the Straits of Hormuz. Further, everyone who studied the situation at all knew that this would lead to a global economic crisis, with the strangulation of oil, gas, fertilizer, helium.

It is completely impossible that the Israelis believed “kill the Ayatollah and democracy will sprout limbs and crawl up out of the Persian Gulf like a Paleozoic Era tetrapod and waddle into Tehran” theory. Bibi is a lot of things, but he’s not retarded. The Mossad has all of the electronic spying data and the best human intelligence of any intelligence agency in the world. They’re not going to fall for bullshit any first year polisci grad student would laugh at.

Consider the current situation: Iran has done what they were obviously going to do and is winning the war. There is no amount of bombing that can stop them from sending missiles at Gulf nations, US bases, Israel, and any unapproved vessel attempting to pass through the strait. Even completely leveling the cities, Gaza-style, will not end this ability Iran has.

The possibilities being presented on the podcast circuit are that Trump can either give up and surrender, meeting most or all of Iran’s demands, including removal of US troops from the region, an end to Israeli aggression, and allowing Tehran to charge a toll on the Strait, or he can keep bombing until he runs out of bombs while the global economy collapses, and Iran will remain in the driver’s seat indefinitely.

If we take this view, then we have to ask why it is that Bibi pushed so hard for this war. Either of the two stated potential outcomes puts Israel in a much worse situation than they were before the bombing.

So then: what was Bibi’s plan?

The only possible answer to that question is that Bibi planned to set the stage for a nuking of Iran. Not just a single nuke dropped on Tehran, mind you, as that wouldn’t really solve anything, but dropping 15-20 nukes and attempting to completely end the civilization.

Trump must have at least heard of this plan (presumably after his “48 hour war” started), given the language in some of his Truth Social Posts, which has included “a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.”

It would be unfair to say the podcasters are not talking about the potential of nuclear war. It does get mentioned. However, the fact that this has to have been Bibi’s plan is unaddressed. I’ve seen no one say it. And yet, there is no other way to work it through logically.

I have heard some of these commentators address the idea that Bibi couldn’t possibly have believed the “popular uprising” theory, and their answers are that maybe he wanted to degrade Iran, which is definitely impossible given that he would have known exactly this current thing would happen, or that he was worried about his court cases, which is also ridiculous, given that he can hold that off with wars in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank.

It is simply a factual matter that the only possible thing Bibi could have been thinking was that he would be able to trigger a series of events that would lead to either Trump nuking Iran or Israel being “justified” in using their own nukes. He would prefer the former, but will settle for the latter.

The Chinese have come to this same conclusion I have, though they haven’t stated it outright. “Unofficial” (or maybe “semi-official”) China state spokespeople have said that if Israel does use nukes, “it will cease to exist as a country.” Though issued lowkey, that is a very highkey threat from a country that is capable of making good on it. Maybe that will deter Bibi. I doubt it.

The easiest path to a “justified” nuclear strike would be a 9/11 style event staged by Israel on US soil. This would probably get Trump to push the button. However, if that doesn’t work, it seems likely if not probable that at some point, Israel will just manufacture some atrocity on their own soil and say “our existence is being threatened” and launch the nukes.

Netanyahu would then resign and be pardoned by the Israeli court.

Obviously, I don’t know that this will happen. I’m not a wizard. I can’t predict events. Everything is in motion now, and all sorts of different things could happen. There are any number of unforeseen things that could occur and prevent this. However, right now, it is quite likely that the Iran War ends with a large scale nuclear strike on the country.

Then what happens?

I have no idea.

No one does.


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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2169 on: May 08, 2026, 11:08:34 AM »
Retard alert ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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« Reply #2170 on: May 08, 2026, 11:20:09 AM »
How could you not tell he has always been a conman? you seem reasonable. It boggles my mind that intelligent people could get behind him after his first term and the idiocy leading up to this one.

The guy literally lies about everything, his golf scores, the war, paying for the ballroom, conversations he never had etc.. he is a malignant narc to a tee and destroying your country.

A lot of us didn't see a viable alternative option and Trump didn’t start any crazy wars during his first term. In fact, at the time of the election, he actually seemed less likely to drag us into new conflicts than Biden. The Democrats were pushing for deeper involvement in Ukraine.

Sure, I agree he’s full of bluster and outright lies. But I’ve always assumed most politicians are full of shit, so that wasn’t a dealbreaker for me. Even with this huge, heeyuge, mistake on Iran, I still wouldn’t trade him for Kamala or Biden.

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« Reply #2171 on: May 08, 2026, 11:31:23 AM »
A lot of us didn't see a viable alternative option and Trump didn’t start any crazy wars during his first term. In fact, at the time of the election, he actually seemed less likely to drag us into new conflicts than Biden. The Democrats were pushing for deeper involvement in Ukraine.

Sure, I agree he’s full of bluster and outright lies. But I’ve always assumed most politicians are full of shit, so that wasn’t a dealbreaker for me. Even with this huge, heeyuge, mistake on Iran, I still wouldn’t trade him for Kamala or Biden.

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Of course things would "appear" calmer and more stable, because the right doesn't create chaos and  unrest at the levels the left does when they don't hold the Presidency.
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« Reply #2172 on: May 08, 2026, 11:38:33 AM »
In fact, at the time of the election, he actually seemed less likely to drag us into new conflicts than Biden. The Democrats were pushing for deeper involvement in Ukraine.


I think a lot of the messaging around Trump and Russia/Ukraine is faulty if not outright cynical lying. I believe in Brain Berletic's contention that there is a continuity of agenda of the US gov wrt containment of Russia/US unipolarity. And Trump is faithfully playing out his role in it. Trump has bragged about sending missiles to Ukraine as opposed to Biden who only sent blankets. Fact of the matter is that the US under Trump has tried to assassinate Putin (Valdai). US stopped intelligence sharing with Ukraine for like 3 days LOL. The Russians blame the UK and MI6 a lot but I'm positive this outward stance is only strategic, they aren't stupid. I'm sure MI6 plays a big role but they are on the same side here as the US/CIA.

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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2173 on: May 08, 2026, 03:36:13 PM »
Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I'm not Iranian so it's not my call to make but somehow I'm absolutely disgusted by the liberal Iranian living in the west, the ones who love bombing of their country. One even said Iran should be nuked. Funny how "liberal" can be applied a number of different ways as in that vid. In general I've disliked the Iranians in my life but Seyed Mohammed Marandi is a stud. All class but with brass balls.
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Re: 2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"
« Reply #2174 on: May 08, 2026, 04:29:52 PM »
How could you not tell he has always been a conman? you seem reasonable. It boggles my mind that intelligent people could get behind him after his first term and the idiocy leading up to this one.

The guy literally lies about everything, his golf scores, the war, paying for the ballroom, conversations he never had etc.. he is a malignant narc to a tee and destroying your country.
The fake news media went after him relentlessly. So they sold the idea of Trump being against the system and the Deep State. He also tapped into the need to drain the swamp, get rid of corruption. Trump knew what was wrong with the US and how to rally his base around that. The problem is it was all an act and he did not follow through on it. Maybe they threatened him. Or he was just a fraud and was bulshitting his base. Either way the end result is the same. A dudd / blank.