2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[obsidian]

100%

Our border would still be open.

Of course things would "appear" calmer and more stable, because the right doesn't create chaos and  unrest at the levels the left does when they don't hold the Presidency.

I found these stats. Have not verified them.

Bill Clinton (1997-2001) 7 million deportations (1993-1997) over 5 million
Bush Jr. (2001-2005) over 5 million (2005-2009) 5 million
Obama (2013-2017) over 5 million (2009-2013) over 3 million
Biden (2021-2025) 3 million
Trump (2017-2021) over 1.5 million
Currently, while border arrests have skyrocketed (over 2 million), the number of actual deportations remains stable at around 300,000 per year. It is the method of raids in cities that is unpopular with the population.

During Barack Obama’s presidency, removals became the primary method of deportation, both at the borders—a new development—and within the country. The average number of removals out of all deportations rose from 20% under George W. Bush to 62% under Obama.

[Necrosis]

I found these stats. Have not verified them.

Bill Clinton (1997-2001) 7 million deportations (1993-1997) over 5 million
Bush Jr. (2001-2005) over 5 million (2005-2009) 5 million
Obama (2013-2017) over 5 million (2009-2013) over 3 million
Biden (2021-2025) 3 million
Trump (2017-2021) over 1.5 million
Currently, while border arrests have skyrocketed (over 2 million), the number of actual deportations remains stable at around 300,000 per year. It is the method of raids in cities that is unpopular with the population.

During Barack Obama’s presidency, removals became the primary method of deportation, both at the borders—a new development—and within the country. The average number of removals out of all deportations rose from 20% under George W. Bush to 62% under Obama.

The repubs are worse for the economy thats a stone cold fact. They start wars, another stone cold fact and this president is lawless. The civil unrest thing is hilarious, ICE is literally resulting in citizens dying in the street and its the most asinine way to go about this.

[Rambone]

The repubs are worse for the economy thats a stone cold fact. They start wars, another stone cold fact and this president is lawless. The civil unrest thing is hilarious, ICE is literally resulting in citizens dying in the street and its the most asinine way to go about this.

Both parties are terrible. Both start wars. Both spend like a Friday night millionaire (a dindu at Walmart). The only difference are social issues that are made to seem like it will affect your everyday life when in reality, it doesn’t.


True right-wingers want smaller federal govt, less spending and the debt to be paid down. And the response is, “The best we can do is no trannies in women’s sports.”

[loco]

Both parties are terrible. Both start wars. Both spend like a Friday night millionaire (a dindu at Walmart). The only difference are social issues that are made to seem like it will affect your everyday life when in reality, it doesn’t.


True right-wingers want smaller federal govt, less spending and the debt to be paid down. And the response is, “The best we can do is no trannies in women’s sports.”

Illegal immigration is a huge issue that affects everyone, and the difference between Dems and the current administration is night and day.

[GymnJuice]

Both parties are terrible. Both start wars. Both spend like a Friday night millionaire (a dindu at Walmart). The only difference are social issues that are made to seem like it will affect your everyday life when in reality, it doesn’t.


True right-wingers want smaller federal govt, less spending and the debt to be paid down. And the response is, “The best we can do is no trannies in women’s sports.”

Apart from Paul and Massie I doubt many Republicans are genuinely committed to shrinking the government. It is just lip service. DOGE was a visible effort, but it did not do nearly enough. The Iran war is inflating the budget and they’re set to raise military spending even more. But I still think I’m less likely to see higher taxes under Republican leadership. And the taxes affect me directly more than anything else.

[Van_Bilderass]

Illegal immigration is a huge issue that affects everyone, and the difference between Dems and the current administration is night and day.

Do you have a comment on this? Not immigration per se but the promise was tens of millions of deportations. And then you have the issue of legal immigration which some conservatives feel is actually a bigger threat.

[Rambone]

Illegal immigration is a huge issue that affects everyone, and the difference between Dems and the current administration is night and day.

Maybe comparing Biden vs. Trump but not much difference between Dem vs. Pub historically

[Rambone]

Apart from Paul and Massie I doubt many Republicans are genuinely committed to shrinking the government. It is just lip service. DOGE was a visible effort, but it did not do nearly enough. The Iran war is inflating the budget and they’re set to raise military spending even more. But I still think I’m less likely to see higher taxes under Republican leadership. And the taxes affect me directly more than anything else.

“The best I can do is lower your taxes a little bit.” (While devaluing the dollar)

[LurkerNoMore]

So the ongoing humiliation from Iran still hasn't dampened the Esptein Files inquiries?  Ok, let's release the Aliens Files then.....

What will it be next in two weeks?

[oldschoolfan]

Both parties are terrible. Both start wars. Both spend like a Friday night millionaire (a dindu at Walmart). The only difference are social issues that are made to seem like it will affect your everyday life when in reality, it doesn’t.


True right-wingers want smaller federal govt, less spending and the debt to be paid down. And the response is, “The best we can do is no trannies in women’s sports.”

Ha ha pretty fucking accurate post there Rambo

[GymnJuice]

“The best I can do is lower your taxes a little bit.” (While devaluing the dollar)

 

[Necrosis]

Both parties are terrible. Both start wars. Both spend like a Friday night millionaire (a dindu at Walmart). The only difference are social issues that are made to seem like it will affect your everyday life when in reality, it doesn’t.


True right-wingers want smaller federal govt, less spending and the debt to be paid down. And the response is, “The best we can do is no trannies in women’s sports.”

Ya but when elected they run up the debt far more than dems and start more wars.

[Rambone]

Ya but when elected they run up the debt far more than dems and start more wars.

Untrue on the debt part at least. By term, Joe Biden currently is #1 in highest debt per day thus far. Trump’s 1st term is #2. Obama is #3. Trump will most likely be #1 when all is said and done with this term though!

[Necrosis]

Untrue on the debt part at least. Joe Biden currently is #1 in highest debt per day thus far. Trump is #2. Obama is #3

Based on what I read trump has the fastest rate of debt accumulation and it is him and obama that have the most debt. I see that Biden is clocked at 8.3 T and Trump about 7.9 T

I would argue that trumps run ups are self- inflicted for the most part and that Obama contended with the 2008 crisis which induced a bail out and biden contended with Covid (which also saw debt increase similarly across many countries). Although part of trumps term was covid.

However Biden had one term so its not a fair assessment on my part. At the end of his term trump will be number 1 by a wide margin as he is essentially tied with Biden right now.I believe estimates put his current rate as contributing nearly 1/3 of overall debt if the current trend continues.

[B_B_C]

“Everyone is taking pictures of it. Everybody is—my people tell me that it’s unbelievable. All day long, they’re taking pictures. They stand up next to it, and have their pictures taken.”

[Van_Bilderass]

Easily.

You still have not explained how. Trump would like to know. Call him! Just Do It!

I don't expect anyone to watch video this long but if feeling so inclined perhaps watch a few minutes of this chaos. I thought it was a good discussion

Here is a good discussion of how the Iranians can claim they never wanted a bomb while enriching to 60%. Ted makes the argument Iran is most likely capable of building "10 bombs" very quickly right now if they so choose, Iran is more incentivized in doing so now as opposed to when there was the JCPOA and before this war. There is only the dialogue way now, short of completely nuking the country with a few dozen nukes. Of course Andrew Anglin whose article I
posted above makes the argument that thinking logically Bibi's intention from the start was to nuke Iran, other angles just don't fit and I like his argument.

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Ted says the Iron Dome 87% interception rate was always a bunch of BS, more like 5%, but now with all the radars gone Israel is completely defenseless in case Iran attacks/defends again. I'm pretty sure the US will attack shortly with a very certain devastating response. So again, what other plan could there be short of nukes?

Ted is a Jew btw, in case it matters.

[chaos]

Based on what I read trump has the fastest rate of debt accumulation and it is him and obama that have the most debt. I see that Biden is clocked at 8.3 T and Trump about 7.9 T

I would argue that trumps run ups are self- inflicted for the most part and that Obama contended with the 2008 crisis which induced a bail out and biden contended with Covid (which also saw debt increase similarly across many countries). Although part of trumps term was covid.

However Biden had one term so its not a fair assessment on my part. At the end of his term trump will be number 1 by a wide margin as he is essentially tied with Biden right now.I believe estimates put his current rate as contributing nearly 1/3 of overall debt if the current trend continues.

"I don't follow politics" Shows complete obsession with everything Trump related. Welcome to TDS, Negrosis.

[GymnJuice]

Ted says the Iron Dome 87% interception rate was always a bunch of BS, more like 5%, but now with all the radars gone Israel is completely defenseless in case Iran attacks/defends again. I'm pretty sure the US will attack shortly with a very certain devastating response. So again, what other plan could there be short of nukes?

I agree with skepticism of official claims about the Iron Dome’s interception rate. It’s significantly lower than reported. I also believe Iran inflicted more damage on US bases in the Gulf than has been publicly acknowledged.

That said, if Israel’s interception rate were truly as low as 5% Iran would have launched the rest of its missile arsenal by now. After all, we’ve already demonstrated our willingness to assassinate Iranian leadership directly, so they have little incentive to hold back. The fact that they haven’t unleashed everything suggests the interception rate can’t be nearly that low.

[Rambone]

Has Fox News covered this yet, boomers? The irony!

[obsidian]

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[Van_Bilderass]

I agree with skepticism of official claims about the Iron Dome’s interception rate. It’s significantly lower than reported. I also believe Iran inflicted more damage on US bases in the Gulf than has been publicly acknowledged.

That said, if Israel’s interception rate were truly as low as 5% Iran would have launched the rest of its missile arsenal by now. After all, we’ve already demonstrated our willingness to assassinate Iranian leadership directly, so they have little incentive to hold back. The fact that they haven’t unleashed everything suggests the interception rate can’t be nearly that low.

Well the explanation is that Iran has observed extremely careful escalation parity with US/Israel so far, or whatever you may call it. For example, if Iran had wanted to simply destroy Israel it should have been able to do it in a couple of days, just launch all missiles in one continuous wave? But almost every expert believes they have carefully rationed out their missiles, more advanced missiles introduced as time went on, older ones first. Plus an extreme response would always cause an extreme further response. Israel's very existence threatened = guaranteed nukes coming. As Ted says the Iranians are NOT suicidal irrational actors, it's Israel that is the irrational one.

Iran's "nuke option" = control of the straits. Destroy a US carrier, destroy Israel = nukes incoming = suicide. Instead this has been a very rational game so far by Iran. Plus I believe Russia and China have a say in what Iran does.

[LurkerNoMore]

Bibi issues a new order to the Orange Toddler.

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Based on reports as of early May 2026, Israeli officials have indicated to the U.S. that if diplomatic efforts fail, any renewed conflict must include targeting Iran's entire energy infrastructure. Israeli officials expressed that the chances for a nuclear deal are slim and urged that strikes target key Iranian energy facilities and national infrastructure to weaken the regime.
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[chaos]

Well the explanation is that Iran has observed extremely careful escalation parity with US/Israel so far, or whatever you may call it. For example, if Iran had wanted to simply destroy Israel it should have been able to do it in a couple of days, just launch all missiles in one continuous wave? But almost every expert believes they have carefully rationed out their missiles, more advanced missiles introduced as time went on, older ones first. Plus an extreme response would always cause an extreme further response. Israel's very existence threatened = guaranteed nukes coming. As Ted says the Iranians are NOT suicidal irrational actors, it's Israel that is the irrational one.

Iran's "nuke option" = control of the straits. Destroy a US carrier, destroy Israel = nukes incoming = suicide. Instead this has been a very rational game so far by Iran. Plus I believe Russia and China have a say in what Iran does.

LOL

Bibi issues a new order to the Orange Toddler.

You can call him President Toddler, you peasant.

[GymnJuice]

Well the explanation is that Iran has observed extremely careful escalation parity with US/Israel so far, or whatever you may call it. For example, if Iran had wanted to simply destroy Israel it should have been able to do it in a couple of days, just launch all missiles in one continuous wave? But almost every expert believes they have carefully rationed out their missiles, more advanced missiles introduced as time went on, older ones first. Plus an extreme response would always cause an extreme further response. Israel's very existence threatened = guaranteed nukes coming. As Ted says the Iranians are NOT suicidal irrational actors, it's Israel that is the irrational one.

Iran's "nuke option" = control of the straits. Destroy a US carrier, destroy Israel = nukes incoming = suicide. Instead this has been a very rational game so far by Iran. Plus I believe Russia and China have a say in what Iran does.

I think Iran relies on China for missile targeting assistance. We saw something similar during the India and Pakistan skirmish a few years ago. With Chinese targeting support the Pakistani military was able to shoot down Indian Rafale jets (which are the advanced fighters originally from Europe). Even though the Chinese depend on Gulf oil more than us they might still see this war as an opportunity for intelligence and testing against our military.

[Irongrip400]

Bibi issues a new order to the Orange Toddler.

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Based on reports as of early May 2026, Israeli officials have indicated to the U.S. that if diplomatic efforts fail, any renewed conflict must include targeting Iran's entire energy infrastructure. Israeli officials expressed that the chances for a nuclear deal are slim and urged that strikes target key Iranian energy facilities and national infrastructure to weaken the regime.
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So fucking gay. Bibi needs to do his own fucking dirty work.