2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[B_B_C]

“Everyone is taking pictures of it. Everybody is—my people tell me that it’s unbelievable. All day long, they’re taking pictures. They stand up next to it, and have their pictures taken.”

[Van_Bilderass]

Easily.

You still have not explained how. Trump would like to know. Call him! Just Do It!

I don't expect anyone to watch video this long but if feeling so inclined perhaps watch a few minutes of this chaos. I thought it was a good discussion

Here is a good discussion of how the Iranians can claim they never wanted a bomb while enriching to 60%. Ted makes the argument Iran is most likely capable of building "10 bombs" very quickly right now if they so choose, Iran is more incentivized in doing so now as opposed to when there was the JCPOA and before this war. There is only the dialogue way now, short of completely nuking the country with a few dozen nukes. Of course Andrew Anglin whose article I
posted above makes the argument that thinking logically Bibi's intention from the start was to nuke Iran, other angles just don't fit and I like his argument.

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Ted says the Iron Dome 87% interception rate was always a bunch of BS, more like 5%, but now with all the radars gone Israel is completely defenseless in case Iran attacks/defends again. I'm pretty sure the US will attack shortly with a very certain devastating response. So again, what other plan could there be short of nukes?

Ted is a Jew btw, in case it matters.

[chaos]

Based on what I read trump has the fastest rate of debt accumulation and it is him and obama that have the most debt. I see that Biden is clocked at 8.3 T and Trump about 7.9 T

I would argue that trumps run ups are self- inflicted for the most part and that Obama contended with the 2008 crisis which induced a bail out and biden contended with Covid (which also saw debt increase similarly across many countries). Although part of trumps term was covid.

However Biden had one term so its not a fair assessment on my part. At the end of his term trump will be number 1 by a wide margin as he is essentially tied with Biden right now.I believe estimates put his current rate as contributing nearly 1/3 of overall debt if the current trend continues.

"I don't follow politics" Shows complete obsession with everything Trump related. Welcome to TDS, Negrosis.

[GymnJuice]

Ted says the Iron Dome 87% interception rate was always a bunch of BS, more like 5%, but now with all the radars gone Israel is completely defenseless in case Iran attacks/defends again. I'm pretty sure the US will attack shortly with a very certain devastating response. So again, what other plan could there be short of nukes?

I agree with skepticism of official claims about the Iron Dome’s interception rate. It’s significantly lower than reported. I also believe Iran inflicted more damage on US bases in the Gulf than has been publicly acknowledged.

That said, if Israel’s interception rate were truly as low as 5% Iran would have launched the rest of its missile arsenal by now. After all, we’ve already demonstrated our willingness to assassinate Iranian leadership directly, so they have little incentive to hold back. The fact that they haven’t unleashed everything suggests the interception rate can’t be nearly that low.

[Rambone]

Has Fox News covered this yet, boomers? The irony!

[obsidian]

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[Van_Bilderass]

I agree with skepticism of official claims about the Iron Dome’s interception rate. It’s significantly lower than reported. I also believe Iran inflicted more damage on US bases in the Gulf than has been publicly acknowledged.

That said, if Israel’s interception rate were truly as low as 5% Iran would have launched the rest of its missile arsenal by now. After all, we’ve already demonstrated our willingness to assassinate Iranian leadership directly, so they have little incentive to hold back. The fact that they haven’t unleashed everything suggests the interception rate can’t be nearly that low.

Well the explanation is that Iran has observed extremely careful escalation parity with US/Israel so far, or whatever you may call it. For example, if Iran had wanted to simply destroy Israel it should have been able to do it in a couple of days, just launch all missiles in one continuous wave? But almost every expert believes they have carefully rationed out their missiles, more advanced missiles introduced as time went on, older ones first. Plus an extreme response would always cause an extreme further response. Israel's very existence threatened = guaranteed nukes coming. As Ted says the Iranians are NOT suicidal irrational actors, it's Israel that is the irrational one.

Iran's "nuke option" = control of the straits. Destroy a US carrier, destroy Israel = nukes incoming = suicide. Instead this has been a very rational game so far by Iran. Plus I believe Russia and China have a say in what Iran does.

[LurkerNoMore]

Bibi issues a new order to the Orange Toddler.

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Based on reports as of early May 2026, Israeli officials have indicated to the U.S. that if diplomatic efforts fail, any renewed conflict must include targeting Iran's entire energy infrastructure. Israeli officials expressed that the chances for a nuclear deal are slim and urged that strikes target key Iranian energy facilities and national infrastructure to weaken the regime.
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[chaos]

Well the explanation is that Iran has observed extremely careful escalation parity with US/Israel so far, or whatever you may call it. For example, if Iran had wanted to simply destroy Israel it should have been able to do it in a couple of days, just launch all missiles in one continuous wave? But almost every expert believes they have carefully rationed out their missiles, more advanced missiles introduced as time went on, older ones first. Plus an extreme response would always cause an extreme further response. Israel's very existence threatened = guaranteed nukes coming. As Ted says the Iranians are NOT suicidal irrational actors, it's Israel that is the irrational one.

Iran's "nuke option" = control of the straits. Destroy a US carrier, destroy Israel = nukes incoming = suicide. Instead this has been a very rational game so far by Iran. Plus I believe Russia and China have a say in what Iran does.

LOL

Bibi issues a new order to the Orange Toddler.

You can call him President Toddler, you peasant.

[GymnJuice]

Well the explanation is that Iran has observed extremely careful escalation parity with US/Israel so far, or whatever you may call it. For example, if Iran had wanted to simply destroy Israel it should have been able to do it in a couple of days, just launch all missiles in one continuous wave? But almost every expert believes they have carefully rationed out their missiles, more advanced missiles introduced as time went on, older ones first. Plus an extreme response would always cause an extreme further response. Israel's very existence threatened = guaranteed nukes coming. As Ted says the Iranians are NOT suicidal irrational actors, it's Israel that is the irrational one.

Iran's "nuke option" = control of the straits. Destroy a US carrier, destroy Israel = nukes incoming = suicide. Instead this has been a very rational game so far by Iran. Plus I believe Russia and China have a say in what Iran does.

I think Iran relies on China for missile targeting assistance. We saw something similar during the India and Pakistan skirmish a few years ago. With Chinese targeting support the Pakistani military was able to shoot down Indian Rafale jets (which are the advanced fighters originally from Europe). Even though the Chinese depend on Gulf oil more than us they might still see this war as an opportunity for intelligence and testing against our military.

[Irongrip400]

Bibi issues a new order to the Orange Toddler.

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Based on reports as of early May 2026, Israeli officials have indicated to the U.S. that if diplomatic efforts fail, any renewed conflict must include targeting Iran's entire energy infrastructure. Israeli officials expressed that the chances for a nuclear deal are slim and urged that strikes target key Iranian energy facilities and national infrastructure to weaken the regime.
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So fucking gay. Bibi needs to do his own fucking dirty work.

[LurkerNoMore]

LOL
You can call him President Toddler, you peasant.

Does President TACO work too?

[Van_Bilderass]

I think Iran relies on China for missile targeting assistance. We saw something similar during the India and Pakistan skirmish a few years ago. With Chinese targeting support the Pakistani military was able to shoot down Indian Rafale jets (which are the advanced fighters originally from Europe). Even though the Chinese depend on Gulf oil more than us they might still see this war as an opportunity for intelligence and testing against our military.

I see analysts saying both Russia and China do. For political reasons the US downplays Russia's role, only saying "we know exactly what they do." China reportedly supplied some very advanced radars as well. The US just put some sanctions on China for them supplying targeting. They have publicly published US asset locations online. China has the US by the balls though through vital precious metals. And how about this: if China moved on Taiwan right now the US could do nothing and then China could control the chips which are essential for the US. US politicians have been calling on Trump to cancel his upcoming state visit.

"The US can get proxied too" Stanislav Krapivnik says, referring to US fighting Russia via Ukraine. Shot down Russia improved Shaheds with Russian part have been observed in the gulf. What's the US going to do, complain to Russia after all they've done? Putin just warned Trump of grave consequences if the US resumes the war.

[chaos]

Does President TACO work too?

You might as well rename yourself LurkingforTrump, since he's your daddy.

[Necrosis]

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/interior-and-totalenergies-agree-end-offshore-wind-projects-lowering-costs-american

TotalEnergies has committed to invest approximately $1 billion—the value of its renounced offshore wind leases—in oil and natural gas and LNG production in the United States. Following their new investment, the United States will reimburse the company dollar-for-dollar, up to the amount they paid in lease purchases for offshore wind. Under this innovative agreement driven by President Donald J. Trump’s Energy Dominance Agenda, the American people will no longer pay for ideological subsidies that benefited only the unreliable and costly offshore wind industry.

Additionally, in light of the national security concerns, TotalEnergies has pledged not to develop any new offshore wind projects in the United States.

“This agreement is yet another win for President Trump’s commitment to affordable and reliable energy for all Americans,” said Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum. “Offshore wind is one of the most expensive, unreliable, environmentally disruptive, and subsidy-dependent schemes ever forced on American ratepayers and taxpayers. We welcome TotalEnergies’ commitment to developing projects that produce dependable, affordable power to lower Americans' monthly bills while providing secure U.S. baseload power today—and in the future.” 

Retarded stuff lol

the guy has a vendetta against wind since they wouldn't remove the ones near his golf course lol. Man child

[LurkerNoMore]

You might as well rename yourself LurkingforTrump, since he's your daddy.

Someone's jealous.

[chaos]

Retarded stuff lol

the guy has a vendetta against wind since they wouldn't remove the ones near his golf course lol. Man child

Speaking of retards...how are you today, Negrosis?

[Coach is Back!]

So the ongoing humiliation from Iran still hasn't dampened the Esptein Files inquiries?  Ok, let's release the Aliens Files then.....

What will it be next in two weeks?

1. How is Iran "humiliating" us? We know you're rooting for Iran win to this, but militarily they lost the in the first week or two and are losing $500mil a day, their economy is all but dead. Even their inflation is approaching 100%. 2. Unless I've missed it you haven't once said anything about Radical Islams blatant pedophilia, why? But you're still on the Epstein kick which is all but irrelevant at this point.

[Coach is Back!]

The repubs are worse for the economy thats a stone cold fact. They start wars, another stone cold fact and this president is lawless. The civil unrest thing is hilarious, ICE is literally resulting in citizens dying in the street and its the most asinine way to go about this.

No...you just think Socialism works.

[LurkerNoMore]

1. How is Iran "humiliating" us? We know you're rooting for Iran win to this, but militarily they lost the in the first week or two and are losing $500mil a day, their economy is all but dead. Even their inflation is approaching 100%. 2. Unless I've missed it you haven't once said anything about Radical Islams blatant pedophilia, why? But you're still on the Epstein kick which is all but irrelevant at this point.

Be quiet midget.

[LurkerNoMore]

“Everyone is taking pictures of it. Everybody is—my people tell me that it’s unbelievable. All day long, they’re taking pictures. They stand up next to it, and have their pictures taken.”

Looks familiar. 

[Van_Bilderass]

1. How is Iran "humiliating" us? We know you're rooting for Iran win to this, but militarily they lost the in the first week or two and are losing $500mil a day, their economy is all but dead. Even their inflation is approaching 100%. 2. Unless I've missed it you haven't once said anything about Radical Islams blatant pedophilia, why? But you're still on the Epstein kick which is all but irrelevant at this point.

It's quite remarkable to chastise people for "still" being on the "irrelevant Epstein kick." Normal people don't excuse pedophilia when it's done by their team. I don't condone the bad things in Islam. I see it, just as I see the pedophilia in Judaism for example.

Lots of conservatives are saying Iran has been winning, lots of people who hate Muslims and Iran in particular. You are, like Trump, seeing everything on a transactional level, as if there are no values beyond money, everything is like a real estate deal. Not everyone operates like that. You should also investigate the difference between tactical successes and strategic victories.

Do you know who Robert Kagan is? He is a democrat but is no dove, he is a neocon war hawk who loves seeing Muslim blood spilled, just as yourself.

Checkmate in Iran

Washington can’t reverse or control the consequences of losing this war.
By Robert Kagan

It’s hard to think of a time when the United States suffered a total defeat in a conflict, a setback so decisive that the strategic loss could be neither repaired nor ignored. The calamitous losses suffered at Pearl Harbor, the Philippines, and throughout the Western Pacific in the first months of World War II were eventually reversed. The defeats in Vietnam and Afghanistan were costly but did not do lasting damage to America’s overall position in the world, because they were far from the main theaters of global competition. The initial failure in Iraq was mitigated by a shift in strategy that ultimately left Iraq relatively stable and unthreatening to its neighbors and kept the United States dominant in the region.
Defeat in the present confrontation with Iran will be of an entirely different character. It can neither be repaired nor ignored. There will be no return to the status quo ante, no ultimate American triumph that will undo or overcome the harm done. The Strait of Hormuz will not be “open,” as it once was. With control of the strait, Iran emerges as the key player in the region and one of the key players in the world. The roles of China and Russia, as Iran’s allies, are strengthened; the role of the United States, substantially diminished. Far from demonstrating American prowess, as supporters of the war have repeatedly claimed, the conflict has revealed an America that is unreliable and incapable of finishing what it started. That is going to set off a chain reaction around the world as friends and foes adjust to America’s failure.
President Trump likes to talk about who has “the cards,” but whether he has any good ones left to play is not clear. The United States and Israel pounded Iran with devastating effectiveness for 37 days, killing much of the country’s leadership and destroying the bulk of its military, yet couldn’t collapse the regime or exact even the smallest concession from it. Now the Trump administration hopes that blockading Iran’s ports will accomplish what massive force could not. It’s possible, of course, but a regime that could not be brought to its knees by five weeks of unrelenting military attack is unlikely to buckle in response to economic pressure alone. Nor does it fear the anger of its populace. As the Iran scholar Suzanne Maloney noted recently, “A regime that slaughtered its own citizens to silence protests in January is fully prepared to impose economic hardships on them now.”

Some supporters of the war are therefore calling for the resumption of military strikes, but they cannot explain how another round of bombing will accomplish what 37 days of bombing did not. More military action will inevitably lead Iran to retaliate against neighboring Gulf States; the war’s advocates have no response to that, either. Trump halted attacks on Iran not because he was bored but because Iran was striking the region’s vital oil and gas facilities. The turning point came on March 18, when Israel bombed Iran’s South Pars gas field and Iran retaliated by attacking Qatar’s Ras Laffan Industrial City, the world’s largest natural-gas-export plant, causing damage to production capacity that will take years to repair. Trump responded by declaring a moratorium on further strikes against Iran’s energy facilities and then declaring a cease-fire, despite Iran’s not having made a single concession.

The risk calculus that forced Trump to back down a month ago still holds. Even if Trump were to carry out his threat to destroy Iran’s “civilization” through more bombing, Iran would still be able to launch many missiles and drones before its regime went down—assuming it did go down. Just a few successful strikes could cripple the region’s oil and gas infrastructure for years if not decades, throwing the world, and the United States, into a prolonged economic crisis. Even if Trump wanted to bomb Iran as part of an exit strategy—looking tough as a way of masking his retreat—he can’t do that without risking this catastrophe.
If this isn’t checkmate, it’s close. In recent days, Trump has reportedly asked the U.S. intelligence community to assess the consequences of simply declaring victory and walking away. You can’t blame him. Hoping for regime collapse is not much of a strategy, especially when the regime has already survived repeated military and economic pummeling. It could fall tomorrow, or six months from now, or not at all. Trump doesn’t have that much time to wait, as oil climbs toward $150 or even $200 a barrel, inflation rises, and global food and other commodity shortages kick in. He needs a faster resolution.
But any resolution other than America’s effective surrender holds enormous risks that Trump has not so far been willing to take. Those who glibly call on Trump to “finish the job” rarely acknowledge the costs. Unless the U.S. is prepared to engage in a full-scale ground and naval war to remove the current Iranian regime, and then to occupy Iran until a new government can take hold; unless it is prepared to risk the loss of warships convoying tankers through a contested strait; unless it is prepared to accept the devastating long-term damage to the region’s productive capacities likely to result from Iranian retaliation—walking away now could seem like the least bad option. As a political matter, Trump may well feel he has a better chance of riding out defeat than of surviving a much larger, longer, and more expensive war that could still end in failure.
Defeat for the United States, therefore, is not only possible but likely. Here is what defeat looks like.
Iran remains in control of the Strait of Hormuz. The common assumption that, one way or another, the strait will reopen when the crisis ends is unfounded. Iran has no interest in returning to the status quo ante. People talk of a split between hard-liners and moderates in Tehran, but even moderates must understand that Iran cannot afford to let the strait go, no matter how good a deal it thought it could get. For one thing, how reliable is any deal with Trump? He all but boasted of replicating the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor by approving the killing of Iran’s leadership amid negotiations. The Iranians cannot be sure that Trump won’t decide to attack again within a few months of striking a deal. They also know that the Israelis may attack again, as they never feel constrained from acting when they perceive their interests to be threatened.
And Israel’s interests will be threatened. As many Iran experts have noted, the regime in Tehran currently stands to emerge from the crisis much stronger than it was before the war, having not only retained its potential nuclear capacity but also gained control of an even more effective weapon: the ability to hold the global energy market hostage. When the Iranians talk of “reopening” the strait, they still mean to keep the strait under their control. Iran will be able not only to demand tolls for passage, but to limit transit to those nations with which it has good relations. If a nation behaves in a way that Iran’s rulers don’t like, they will be able to exact punishment merely by slowing, or even threatening to slow, the flow of that nation’s cargo ships in and out of the strait.
The power to close or control the flow of ships through the strait is greater and more immediate than the theoretical power of Iran’s nuclear program. This leverage will allow the leaders in Tehran to force nations to lift sanctions and normalize relations or face penalties. Israel will find itself more isolated than ever, as Iran grows richer, rearms, and preserves its options to go nuclear in the future. It may even find itself unable to go  after Iran’s proxies: In a world where Iran wields influence over the energy supply of so many nations, Israel could face enormous international pressure not to provoke Tehran in Lebanon, Gaza, or anywhere else.
The new status quo in the strait will also occasion a substantial shift in relative power and influence both regionally and globally. In the region, the United States will have proved itself a paper tiger, forcing the Gulf and other Arab states to accommodate Iran. As the Iran scholars Reuel Gerecht and Ray Takeyh wrote recently, “The Gulf Arab economies were built under the umbrella of American hegemony. Take that away—and the freedom of navigation that goes with it—and the Gulf states will ineluctably go begging to Tehran.”

They will not be the only ones. All nations that depend on energy from the Gulf will have to work out their own arrangements with Iran. What choice will they have? If the United States with its mighty Navy can’t or won’t open the strait, no coalition of forces with just a fraction of the Americans’ capability will be able to, either. The Anglo-French initiative to police the strait after a cease-fire is a bit of a joke. French President Emmanuel Macron has made it clear that this “coalition” will operate only under peaceful conditions in the strait: It will escort ships, but only if they don’t need an escort. Yet with Iran in control, the strait is not going to be safe again for a long time. China presumably has some influence over Tehran, but even China cannot force open the strait by itself.
One effect of this transformation may be an expanding great-power naval race. In the past, most of the world’s nations, including China, counted on the United States to both prevent and address such emergencies. Now the nations in Europe and Asia that depend on access to the Persian Gulf’s resources are helpless against the loss of energy supplies that are vital to their economic and political stability. How long can they tolerate this before they start building their own fleets, as a means of wielding influence in an every-nation-for-itself world where order and predictability have broken down?
The American defeat in the Gulf will have broader global ramifications as well. The whole world can see that just a few weeks of war with a second-rank power have reduced American weapons stocks to perilously low levels, with no quick remedy in sight. The questions this raises about America’s readiness for another major conflict may or may not prompt Xi Jinping to launch an attack on Taiwan, or Vladimir Putin to step up his aggression against Europe. But at the very least America’s allies in East Asia and Europe must wonder about American staying power in the event of future conflicts.
The global adjustment to a post-American world is accelerating. America’s once-dominant position in the Gulf is just the first of many casualties.

[LurkerNoMore]

It's quite remarkable to chastise people for "still" being on the "irrelevant Epstein kick." Normal people don't excuse pedophilia when it's done by their team. I don't condone the bad things in Islam. I see it, just as I see the pedophilia in Judaism for example.

Lots of conservatives are saying Iran has been winning, lots of people who hate Muslims and Iran in particular. You are, like Trump, seeing everything on a transactional level, as if there are no values beyond money, everything is like a real estate deal. Not everyone operates like that. You should also investigate the difference between tactical successes and strategic victories.

Do you know who Robert Kagan is? He is a democrat but is no dove, he is a neocon war hawk who loves seeing Muslim blood spilled, just as yourself.

This is Qoach we are talking about.  He isn't the sharpest light bulb in the crayon box.

[Irongrip400]

I don’t know how anybody, doesn’t view this as a complete and utter failure at this point. We either force terms on them or we’ve lost and lost big time. It’s like a heavyweight getting knocked out, he’s never the same.

[Coach is Back!]

It's quite remarkable to chastise people for "still" being on the "irrelevant Epstein kick." Normal people don't excuse pedophilia when it's done by their team. I don't condone the bad things in Islam. I see it, just as I see the pedophilia in Judaism for example.

Lots of conservatives are saying Iran has been winning, lots of people who hate Muslims and Iran in particular. You are, like Trump, seeing everything on a transactional level, as if there are no values beyond money, everything is like a real estate deal. Not everyone operates like that. You should also investigate the difference between tactical successes and strategic victories.

Do you know who Robert Kagan is? He is a democrat but is no dove, he is a neocon war hawk who loves seeing Muslim blood spilled, just as yourself.

Christ, if you can’t answer within a paragraph it usually means you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. That was a wall of irrelevance text