2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[Van_Bilderass]

The countries that have nukes and can reach us are not fundies who don't value human life.  They have not openly called for the complete destruction of America.

But to think a nuclear Iran wouldn't have an effect on us is naive.   Economic variability/shockwaves, potential for attacks, pain to our allies, etc all would hurt us.

It's also naive to think they wouldn't continue to develop missles with longer ranges.

They've done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

If we could go pure isolationist and not suffer for it, I'd say have at it.  It's just not reality.

I don't agree obviously. Do you know Iranian culture, have you like looked into it? Do you know some of the differences between Shia and Sunni? Iran isn't the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, what they do is threaten Israel over the Palestine question, that's the whole problem. The US is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism. I mean even Trump said Obama created ISIS. Look at the links between Israel and Hamas, the US and Al Qaeda. Look at how Trump praises Al Jolani, an Al Qaeda guy involved in killing Americans in Iraq. The US spent a very long time and tons of money to fund terrorist groups to topple Assad. Have you seen Tucker's 9/11 documentary? He doesn't claim much for certain but asks some very pertinent questions as to who was involved.

As the MIT professor missile expert Ted Postol says, Iran has had the capability to make nukes for a long time. He argues that Iranians aren't irrational crazed actors. Among other things, Iran hasn't wanted nukes because of the guaranteed result if they do: other states will immediately get them too, like Saudi and Turkey. That would threaten Iran too. Now Iran really has an incentive to go for a bomb and Postol speculates they could likely do it right now if they wanted to. But it's extremely risky for Iran for several reasons. If they were simple fundies who wanted to suicide themselves just so they could destroy Israel and the US they would do it. Why not?

What do you suggest Israel and the US do about the nuclear capability? Conventional weapons can't touch the deep underground facilities. Even bunker buster nukes might not do it. Even Trump says it, the US has to snatch it or otherwise force them to surrender the material. Like I say all the time, US and Israel might resort to nukes to "break" Iran. The other is building up a force for a couple of years to invade Iran. It takes time to set up logistics and the US probably doesn't even have the manpower as some suggest like a half million troops required. Robert Kagan hints at being for it, he doesn't say it directly.

I Spent Two Decades Securing Nuclear Materials. Getting at Iran’s Would Not Be Easy. NYT article:

https://archive.is/g10xC

[chaos]

I don't agree obviously. Do you know Iranian culture, have you like looked into it? Do you know some of the differences between Shia and Sunni? Iran isn't the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, what they do is threaten Israel over the Palestine question, that's the whole problem. The US is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism. I mean even Trump said Obama created ISIS. Look at the links between Israel and Hamas, the US and Al Qaeda. Look at how Trump praises Al Jolani, an Al Qaeda guy involved in killing Americans in Iraq. The US spent a very long time and tons of money to fund terrorist groups to topple Assad. Have you seen Tucker's 9/11 documentary? He doesn't claim much for certain but asks some very pertinent questions as to who was involved.

As the MIT professor missile expert Ted Postol says, Iran has had the capability to make nukes for a long time. He argues that Iranians aren't irrational crazed actors. Among other things, Iran hasn't wanted nukes because of the guaranteed result if they do: other states will immediately get them too, like Saudi and Turkey. That would threaten Iran too. Now Iran really has an incentive to go for a bomb and Postol speculates they could likely do it right now if they wanted to. But it's extremely risky for Iran for several reasons. If they were simple fundies who wanted to suicide themselves just so they could destroy Israel and the US they would do it. Why not?

What do you suggest Israel and the US do about the nuclear capability? Conventional weapons can't touch the deep underground facilities. Even bunker buster nukes might not do it. Even Trump says it, the US has to snatch it or otherwise force them to surrender the material. Like I say all the time, US and Israel might resort to nukes to "break" Iran. The other is building up a force for a couple of years to invade Iran. It takes time to set up logistics and the US probably doesn't even have the manpower as some suggest like a half million troops required. Robert Kagan hints at being for it, he doesn't say it directly.

I Spent Two Decades Securing Nuclear Materials. Getting at Iran’s Would Not Be Easy. NYT article:

https://archive.is/g10xC

You put a lot of effort into posts that nobody is going to read.

[B_B_C]

You put a lot of effort into posts that nobody is going to read.

Perhaps you are confusing the Coach with Blisterasstein?

[Van_Bilderass]

You put a lot of effort into posts that nobody is going to read.

Haha I know. Though I think there might be a couple who skim my posts. One very smart fella here said not to change my style. I don't know why people claim it takes such huge effort, probably today many are only used to a video format and never read anything. I could probably change to attempting to insult people like Coach does. I did for a bit in this thread and I wouldn't be surprised if mods got some complaints over my horrible antisemitism

[Irongrip400]

I did.  I asked you if blowing it all up meant killing all citizens and infrastructure, but never saw a response.

Is that what you're advocating?

I’m not advocating for it, I’m saying we should have left them alone and handled our business here before looking half way across the planet.

But, if we were going to do anything to them militarily, we need to/should have gone full bore and took out the whole regime. It’s like the Israeli Palestine thing for me. Had the Jewish people expelled them all back in 1948 it would be over and we wouldn’t be hearing about this crap still. Just like the Germans that were kicked out of their lands in Eastern Europe 1946-1951. You hear nothing about that now because they “took the hand off” quickly and never looked back.

I am not for large scale bombing and shit like that, I just don’t believe in half assing the shit so we have to deal with it forever.

[loco]

You put a lot of effort into posts that nobody is going to read.

 

[chaos]

Haha I know. Though I think there might be a couple who skim my posts. One very smart fella here said not to change my style. I don't know why people claim it takes such huge effort, probably today many are only used to a video format and never read anything. I could probably change to attempting to insult people like Coach does. I did for a bit in this thread and I wouldn't be surprised if mods got some complaints over my horrible antisemitism

I might scan them sometimes but I'm not interested in reading your meltdowns word for word. Could you put a little cliff notes on the bottom?

[Grape Ape]

I might scan them sometimes but I'm not interested in reading your meltdowns word for word. Could you put a little cliff notes on the bottom?

Cliff's Notes:

Americans should ignore the US State Departments Annual Country Reports on Terrorism because, well, because Iran only threatens Israel and never did nuthin' wrong to nobody else.

US are the real terrorists

Takes an MIT professor's word as that Iran could have always made nukes, but chose not to, since they're not crazy and if they get them, more of their neighbors will (this contradicts Necrosis' theory that Obama's Iran deal would have kept them from making nukes, but I digress)

Would be difficult to get the uranium (true).

[Van_Bilderass]

I might scan them sometimes but I'm not interested in reading your meltdowns word for word. Could you put a little cliff notes on the bottom?

Sure, I can put a TLDR at the bottom with cliffs. It's just hard to make a point in a very few words.

Cliff's Notes:

Americans should ignore the US State Departments Annual Country Reports on Terrorism because, well, because Iran only threatens Israel and never did nuthin' wrong to nobody else.

US are the real terrorists

Takes an MIT professor's word as that Iran could have always made nukes, but chose not to, since they're not crazy and if they get them, more of their neighbors will (this contradicts Necrosis' theory that Obama's Iran deal would have kept them from making nukes, but I digress)

Would be difficult to get the uranium (true).

Sure, something like that. Though I never said Iran never did anything wrong. They have been involved in Syria for example where tons of people died. But so did the US which resulted in lots of Christians and other minorities being killed after Assad was toppled. The US had to beg the new regime to stop it.

I've seen many experts say the JCPOA was pretty effective. Recall that no lesser person than Tulsi Gabbard said the US intelligence community consensus was that Iran didn't have an active nuke program since 2003. Trump said he didn't care what  Tulsi said, he preferred Bibi's version. Some reports claim JD Vance was pissed at Bibi for getting Trump into a huge mess by promising it would be a 4 day affair; the regime would surely topple by then after decapitating the regime. What you have now is hardened leadership who all fought in the Iran-Iraq war and a population who predictably rallied around the flag. Now Israel says they don't want peace in Iran and that it's not over and reports say they are afraid Trump might withdraw now sine the military options and goals are extremely difficult to achieve. Iran seems to think it has the upper hand now and in a position of strength since they are offering maximalist demands which Trump just called "totally unacceptable." I think further military action is likely; Trump can't walk away in shame.

TLDR;

Q U A G M I RE

[LurkerNoMore]

We are the ones handling the situation, so we'll take it.

Where do you think it should go?

The same way we just took Venzzy's oil too?  Because we "handled" that?

Why not spread out among other NATO allies?  Oh wait... they don't even think we are in the right with this war either.

[LurkerNoMore]

How many countries did obummer bomb & why ? 
Did you cry / bitch / moan about him doing so ?
or is it just a Donald thing.

How many did he do without Congressional approval or valid reasons?

[LurkerNoMore]

I don't care what he said.  I'll let you guys get hung up on the bluster and hyperbole.

The reality is Iran has enriched uranium to 60% and I don't want them to have it.

No, our military is not incompetant, and could wipe yours out without a sweat.

But believe what you want.

Of course you don't.  Because doing so would cause that little passive neutrality facade to crumble under the weight of simple logic.

[Rambone]

Did we win this thing yet or struggling mightily? The public perception by most that aren’t brainwashed MAGA cultist is that Israel dragged a former reality show host into a war that he seems very uncomfortable with dealing with. America will most likely walk away from this thing looking weaker than when they entered.

[chaos]

Cliff's Notes:

Americans should ignore the US State Departments Annual Country Reports on Terrorism because, well, because Iran only threatens Israel and never did nuthin' wrong to nobody else.

US are the real terrorists

Takes an MIT professor's word as that Iran could have always made nukes, but chose not to, since they're not crazy and if they get them, more of their neighbors will (this contradicts Necrosis' theory that Obama's Iran deal would have kept them from making nukes, but I digress)

Would be difficult to get the uranium (true).

Why doesn't anyone recognize that Eeron fucked off the obama deal years ago? Why does the left keep pretending that was still intact?

[Grape Ape]

The same way we just took Venzzy's oil too?  Because we "handled" that?

Why not spread out among other NATO allies?  Oh wait... they don't even think we are in the right with this war either.

Can you ever stay on topic?

I don't care if we get it or our allies.

As long as Iran or any of our adversaries don't.

Who do you want to have it?

[Grape Ape]

Of course you don't.  Because doing so would cause that little passive neutrality facade to crumble under the weight of simple logic.

No, it's just irrelevant to the here and now.  Trump said we delayed their programs for years after the first strikes.  If he was wrong, or the info changed, so be it.  I don't care.  You trying to take some sort of victory lap about it constantly is weird.

And for the last time, I'm not neutral, I am staunchly anti-democrat.  I despise them, and the longer they're out of office, the better.  I'll accept the flaws on the right in the meantime.

I've explained this before, but you keep repeating the same old shit.

[LurkerNoMore]

Can you ever stay on topic?

I don't care if we get it or our allies.

As long as Iran or any of our adversaries don't.

Who do you want to have it?

There isn't any.  Remember?  Oh wait, you have no qualms with being fed the wrong information.

Do you even know IF they have it?  I mean, they say they do.  Are they telling the truth?  Again, it won't matter to you.

I say we leave to decision to NATO to determine where it goes.

[LurkerNoMore]

No, it's just irrelevant to the here and now.  Trump said we delayed their programs for years after the first strikes.  If he was wrong, or the info changed, so be it.  I don't care.  You trying to take some sort of victory lap about it constantly is weird.

And for the last time, I'm not neutral, I am staunchly anti-democrat.  I despise them, and the longer they're out of office, the better.  I'll accept the flaws on the right in the meantime.

I've explained this before, but you keep repeating the same old shit.

Your "I don't care" is simply cherry picking things to "care" about.  Or not.  There is not a single benefit from this entire war for the American citizens.  You don't just accept the Republican flaws, you embrace them.  Including whatever the orange puppet decides to tell you for the day.  Because if he lies ... well you "don't care what he says".     

[Grape Ape]

There isn't any.  Remember?  Oh wait, you have no qualms with being fed the wrong information.

Do you even know IF they have it?  I mean, they say they do.  Are they telling the truth?  Again, it won't matter to you.

I say we leave to decision to NATO to determine where it goes.

When this thread started, I said I am operating under the assumption that they had enriched uranium to 60% and enough to make 10-11 bombs.  My beliefs subsequently are based off that.

If you have information that contradicts this, just post it.

[Grape Ape]

Your "I don't care" is simply cherry picking things to "care" about.  Or not.  There is not a single benefit from this entire war for the American citizens.  You don't just accept the Republican flaws, you embrace them.  Including whatever the orange puppet decides to tell you for the day.  Because if he lies ... well you "don't care what he says".     

We all pick and choose what to care about.

And I believe we are better off under Trump than we would be with Harris.

[LurkerNoMore]

We all pick and choose what to care about.

And I believe we are better off under Trump than we would be with Harris.

Yeah, because she sure did not predict this exact scenario - and others - coming about.

 

[Coach is Back!]

Many on here seem to make excuses and defend Radical Islam and as I’ve said many times it’s a culture of homosexuality and pedophilia. You know who you are.

https://x.com/gazawood1/status/2054529545110221063?s=46

[illuminati]

This is a war, not a bombing.

Ahh Pronoun Boy.

Fuck off Idiot -
And I was talking to the organ grinder not his stupid Monkey

[illuminati]

How many did he do without Congressional approval or valid reasons?

I take it then you were perfectly happy with him bombing so many
Because his Congress approved      FFS !!

[chaos]

I've explained this before, but you keep repeating the same old shit.

His kind latch onto the smallest shit and keep repeating it for years, no matter how stupid they look.