2026-02-28 Iran War - Israel and USA strikes Iran - "Preemptive Strike"

[Van_Bilderass]

Established by who?

If I told you what good would it do? I've posted dozens of sources on this topic. Like talking to a wall with no counter argument presented. How about you show me onesource which says the US doesn't have supply-chain problems. From left to right, from weapons manufacturers to the Pentagon to Trump, they all say the US is running low on precision weapons and can't restock in the near future because you can't scale up the production overnight (infrastructure and supply-chain problems). Japan was expecting a shipment and was told you have to wait 2-3 more years, because of the Iran war. This is another reason Trump desperately wants out of Iran.

[Van_Bilderass]

Do you also think the US isn't running low on precision missiles? Have you seen someone somewhat credible say the US is well stocked and there are no worries on that front?

Pre-Iran war. All bluff?

[Grape Ape]

Do you also think the US isn't running low on precision missiles? Have you seen someone somewhat credible say the US is well stocked and there are no worries on that front?

I can say with confidence I won't give it a second thought, nor have any concern that this will effect me.

If you want to worry about it, go right ahead.

But since that's settled, just curious, do you believe Iran had enriched urnanium to 60% and had enough for 11 bombs?

[honest]

It's not just weapons manufacturing its everything, successive presidents sold off America and its industrial capability, no super power should ever be dependent on others for their supply chain. Definition of a super power is self sufficiency in all areas but particularly militarily. Trump has done so many things right, his policies of America first are exactly what the country needs. But this war and depleting a limited arsenal at a time where they are dependant on China for rare earths that are required in their production is just dumb and whilst he's an egomaniac and no genius he's not dumb.
Bibi clearly has him compromised it just makes no sense, both Russia and China are basically on a war footing in weapons manufacturing and he's gone and depleted stock levels to support Israel which was the only country genuinely under threat from Iran,and even then it was not imminent. This war and the continuation of war by Israel is all about keeping Bibi and his right wing coalition in power. Im not anti semetic but Israel and both Zelensky as NATOs puppet are pushing the world towards war.  US needs to pull out off Iran and Ukraine needs to concede the Donbas and stop poking the bear, Russia have like China have tripled their reserves last 5 years whilst the west has done basically nothing.
Russia at this stage might not let it go, they might now after their redline in Ukraine being ignored look to take back all the ex soviet border states and if China moves on Taiwan at the same time, the US can't assist as they depleted their munitions in a war that should never have been given priority. 

[Necrosis]

It's not just weapons manufacturing its everything, successive presidents sold off America and its industrial capability, no super power should ever be dependent on others for their supply chain. Definition of a super power is self sufficiency in all areas but particularly militarily. Trump has done so many things right, his policies of America first are exactly what the country needs. But this war and depleting a limited arsenal at a time where they are dependant on China for rare earths that are required in their production is just dumb and whilst he's an egomaniac and no genius he's not dumb.
Bibi clearly has him compromised it just makes no sense, both Russia and China are basically on a war footing in weapons manufacturing and he's gone and depleted stock levels to support Israel which was the only country genuinely under threat from Iran,and even then it was not imminent. This war and the continuation of war by Israel is all about keeping Bibi and his right wing coalition in power. Im not anti semetic but Israel and both Zelensky as NATOs puppet are pushing the world towards war.  US needs to pull out off Iran and Ukraine needs to concede the Donbas and stop poking the bear, Russia have like China have tripled their reserves last 5 years whilst the west has done basically nothing.
Russia at this stage might not let it go, they might now after their redline in Ukraine being ignored look to take back all the ex soviet border states and if China moves on Taiwan at the same time, the US can't assist as they depleted their munitions in a war that should never have been given priority.

what you are saying has never existed nor could it ever exist. Geography alone dictates that.

[chaos]

I can say with confidence I won't give it a second thought, nor have any concern that this will effect me.

If you want to worry about it, go right ahead.

But since that's settled, just curious, do you believe Iran had enriched urnanium to 60% and had enough for 11 bombs?

He will only believe it if Eeron themselves say so. Obviously he only believes the US government when they say something negative about themselves.

[honest]

what you are saying has never existed nor could it ever exist. Geography alone dictates that.

Im not talking a singular geography or country when it comes to overall supply chain but control over others, what do you think Trump is trying too do with Venezuela oil for energy independence, Greenland for rare earths for weapons production.  Russia is self sufficent already in both, China due to its geographical limits looks to be self sufficent in energy reserves by building huge storage and looks to prop up its positions with as many global diverse suppliers as possible, Iran Venezuela Russia, this last sentence is the only reason for Trump to benefit from his recent actions, he's demonstrated to China he will look to take out or control their supply China are also holding and restricting their rare earths. All countries or even businesses look to compromise their competitors by controlling supply chains. This whole entire war is about energy and supply chains, it's a total economic war outside of Israel looking to benefit from this position with their greater Israel quest. Whether they have manipulated it entirely for that purpose is what we really need to determine.

[Van_Bilderass]

I can say with confidence I won't give it a second thought, nor have any concern that this will effect me.

If you want to worry about it, go right ahead

But since that's settled, just curious, do you believe Iran had enriched urnanium to 60% and had enough for 11 bombs?

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I'm not demanding you worry about it. I don't really "worry" about it either, I just happen follow it. But your post was seemingly dissing me and saying "my" sources are unreliable. Like I said, the sources are from all over the place, including the US government itself.
 
I think Iran had about that amount of uranium, seemingly confirmed by the IAEA, Iran and the US. I'm not sure what you're getting at exactly? I think it's probable Iran will probably be nuclear armed in the fairly near future.

He will only believe it if Eeron themselves say so. Obviously he only believes the US government when they say something negative about themselves.

Really? You sure have a lot of opinions but what are you basing them on? You have basically said this a couple of times, paraphrased, "If you really believe the US is running low on weapons you are dumb as shit." If it seems like I'm extremely skeptical of anything coming out of the US government under Trump, can you blame me??? Even the biggest Trump supporters say what comes out of Trump's mouth is complete shit but it's all part of a plan. It's 5D chess, it's keeping the enemy guessing, it's trying to appear unpredictable for strategic reasons. It's funny US diplomats told Iranian diplomats to pay no mind to Trumps public statements, they are intended for the US domestic audience (i.e. the dumb boomer MAGA base). Some have said Trump is doing this (I don't really believe that, Trump is becoming more unhinged and I think age has to do with it):

"The madman theory is a political and diplomatic strategy in which a leader deliberately cultivates an image of irrationality, volatility, and unpredictability. The core idea is that if hostile adversaries believe the leader is mentally unstable or reckless enough to do anything—including launching a nuclear strike—they will back down, make concessions, and avoid provocation."

You do really have to be dumb as shit if you believe anything Trump says. I mean it's hard to even know what Trump is saying as he can contradict himself in the same sentence.

I want Trump to attack Iran (destroying himself in the process) but I think there will instead probably be some half assed ceasefire. If Trump signs the worthless Memorandum of Understanding it will be enough for him to be completely humiliated, everyone will laugh at him, including his new MAGA leaders like Lindsey Graham, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro and Laura Loomer. He demanded complete capitulation by Iran. He said he would decide on the new leader of Iran, LOL. He says Iran absolutely won't be charging a fee for passage in the Straits LOL.

Holy shit, what a meltdown.

TL;DR:

The Straints is an albatross around Trumps neck, something he can't solve

[Van_Bilderass]

It's not just weapons manufacturing its everything, successive presidents sold off America and its industrial capability, no super power should ever be dependent on others for their supply chain. Definition of a super power is self sufficiency in all areas but particularly militarily. Trump has done so many things right, his policies of America first are exactly what the country needs. But this war and depleting a limited arsenal at a time where they are dependant on China for rare earths that are required in their production is just dumb and whilst he's an egomaniac and no genius he's not dumb.
Bibi clearly has him compromised it just makes no sense, both Russia and China are basically on a war footing in weapons manufacturing and he's gone and depleted stock levels to support Israel which was the only country genuinely under threat from Iran,and even then it was not imminent. This war and the continuation of war by Israel is all about keeping Bibi and his right wing coalition in power. Im not anti semetic but Israel and both Zelensky as NATOs puppet are pushing the world towards war.  US needs to pull out off Iran and Ukraine needs to concede the Donbas and stop poking the bear, Russia have like China have tripled their reserves last 5 years whilst the west has done basically nothing.
Russia at this stage might not let it go, they might now after their redline in Ukraine being ignored look to take back all the ex soviet border states and if China moves on Taiwan at the same time, the US can't assist as they depleted their munitions in a war that should never have been given priority.

Yes, and the world is being pushed towards WWIII. Some think we are already in it. Like I've said many times, the US is at war with Russia too. So dumb and so dangerous. Russia isn't calling out the US directly, you have to read between the lines, because they are trying to avoid WWIII. Good to see someone else who believes stocks have been depleted

If Trump attacks Iran again the US will be pretty naked as far as conventional precision missiles. And it will take many years to restock them.

These may take a long time to replace also. A radar worth 1 billion! Ouch! Spy plane worth 240 million!

[Grape Ape]

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I'm not demanding you worry about it. I don't really "worry" about it either, I just happen follow it. But your post was seemingly dissing me and saying "my" sources are unreliable. Like I said, the sources are from all over the place, including the US government itself.
 
I think Iran had about that amount of uranium, seemingly confirmed by the IAEA, Iran and the US. I'm not sure what you're getting at exactly? I think it's probable Iran will probably be nuclear armed in the fairly near future.
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I wasn't necessarily dissing you, but I will never pass up a chance to use that meme.

Either way, I believe they had the uranium has well.  And if they were bluffing, it was a horrible move.  Assuming they weren't is what drives most of my beliefs about what's going on.  I care about the end result, not whether some iranian or canadian thinks our missile supply might not be at peak.  It's the equivalent of worrying about creating a ballroom, or whether they used one or two missles to stop a drug boat.

[Necrosis]

I wasn't necessarily dissing you, but I will never pass up a chance to use that meme.

Either way, I believe they had the uranium has well.  And if they were bluffing, it was a horrible move.  Assuming they weren't is what drives most of my beliefs about what's going on.  I care about the end result, not whether some iranian or canadian thinks our missile supply might not be at peak.  It's the equivalent of worrying about creating a ballroom, or whether they used one or two missles to stop a drug boat.

why would tulsi gabbard say the opposite?

she said they have not reengaged the program and also said that they obliterated any chance they had with the bombing. It would be odd that the head of intelligence would be wrong and Trump correct.

Obviously there is ulterior motives here. They literally lied or are incompetent.

[Grape Ape]

why would tulsi gabbard say the opposite?

she said they have not reengaged the program and also said that they obliterated any chance they had with the bombing. It would be odd that the head of intelligence would be wrong and Trump correct.

Obviously there is ulterior motives here. They literally lied or are incompetent.

Tulsi said they didn't have 60% enriched uranium?

[chaos]

Holy shit, what a meltdown.

TL;DR:

The Straints is an albatross around Trumps neck, something he can't solve

Not sure what the Straints are? Like I stated, you choose to only believe the negative about the US, your posts show this without a doubt. Why do you deny it?

[B_B_C]

[Van_Bilderass]

I wasn't necessarily dissing you, but I will never pass up a chance to use that meme.

Either way, I believe they had the uranium has well.  And if they were bluffing, it was a horrible move.  Assuming they weren't is what drives most of my beliefs about what's going on.  I care about the end result, not whether some iranian or canadian thinks our missile supply might not be at peak.  It's the equivalent of worrying about creating a ballroom, or whether they used one or two missles to stop a drug boat.

Iranian allies like Russia and China don't want Iran to have nukes either, I don't think any country wants that. Probably Iran, IMO, has been honest about not wanting them, for example because they believe then other ME countries like Saudi and Turkey would immediately get them as well; there would be an arms race and a massively increased feeling of insecurity in the world. If nothing else, Iranians are Shia and the others are Sunni and they have been fighting forever. Many wouldn't take the Iranians at their word when they say nukes are basically against their religion because of their indiscriminate nature. And reportedly Iran didn't use chemical weapons either while Iraq used them (supplied by the US) - also for religious reasons, so I can believe it. I just feel like now maybe Iran might change its mind out of desperation; the situation wrt the nuke issue seems worse than before the war. Is the material even in Isfahan? They had so much forewarning before they were attacked last June, they might have spread it out (which would have been logical) and who knows where. With the JCPOA at least there was some oversight, now there's nothing.

Anyhow, the missile depletion is very relevant because if Trump restarts it will be that much harder to deal that final blow to Iran that would finally break its will. Iran has only gained it confidence now as they feel they've clearly won against the superpower. They almost welcome renewed fighting. That's why they are making very maximalist demands. Trump claims they are waving the white flag wanting to give up ("and the fake media calls this a win for Iran"); I haven't seen any of that so far at least.

Not sure what the Straints are? Like I stated, you choose to only believe the negative about the US, your posts show this without a doubt. Why do you deny it?

Hmm... well if I believe negative things about the US right now it's because things look very negative to me, obviously. And of course I'm biased, just like you are, it's unavoidable. So I don't deny it, only I feel I have the facts and 'receipts' in this case, as the kids say these days. But please follow my thinking for a few lines here please. I posted an article by a fellow named Robert Kagan. He is called the Godfather of the Neoconservative movement. He's a war hawk and he was demanding war with Iran before it happened. But now he penned a couple of articles where he said this has been an unmitigated disaster and the biggest loss for America ever and the best course of action for Trump to do would be to just walk away while spinning it as a victory, which is something he always does anyway. So, from what I've seen very few seem to think the US is in a good spot right now, it's not a left vs right issue, the critique comes from the right as well. Of course there are a number of low information folks who just listen to Trump and think Iran has been decimated and "Iran has no cards to play" as he claims. I think Trump is playing chess and the situation is what is called Zugzwang (I saw some podcasters use this term).

"Zugzwang is a German term (meaning "compulsion to move") used primarily in chess. It describes a disadvantageous situation where a player is forced to make a move, but any legal move they choose will actively worsen their position or cause them to lose the game"

[GymnJuice]

Three months in and we’re still worse off than when we started. The strait is still closed, we’ve burned through serious money and political capital, and the American taxpayer has nothing to show for it.

The only silver lining is Lindsey Graham publicly criticizing Trump over the Iran deals. Maybe it’ll bruise Trump’s ego enough to make him stop listening to that closeted warmonger.

[chaos]

Hmm... well if I believe negative things about the US right now it's because things look very negative to me, obviously.

Then pay attention to your own yard. Why not focus on changing your neighborhood, town, state, country? You devote so much time crying about the US, is that a diversion from the shithole you live in?

[Van_Bilderass]

Then pay attention to your own yard. Why not focus on changing your neighborhood, town, state, country? You devote so much time crying about the US, is that a diversion from the shithole you live in?

Why take offense? The reason is because I'm quite despondent; it doesn't seem like the 'little man' can do anything to change the course of things. Lots of Americans feel that way as well, including many high information folks. You know how many in the US say it's a uniparty and it's only an illusion that you as a voter can change the course of things. The deep state and the billionaire class decides things. So when I comment it's only about observations, not about changing things. You saying I devote too much time crying about the US is a bit silly. I'm sure you know Trump's moves affect Europe as well, for example the energy markets. Trump is involved in the Ukraine conflict and that affects me to the highest degree; Trump has allowed the conflict to go on and now Europe is determined to go to war with Russia in 2029, insanity! I'll have you know Trump is discussed on the news here daily, he's not just your issue. Little Marco was just here for a visit too

TL;DR

I'm just sitting here watching the shit show knowing I can do nothing. I couldn't stop Sweden from becoming a shithole full of Arabs and Somalis and other 3rd world refuse. And to add insult to injury, the only "extreme right wing party" here which has been critical of mass immigration was recently in Israel to kiss the Jews' ass. What a mess.

[Grape Ape]

Iranian allies like Russia and China don't want Iran to have nukes either, I don't think any country wants that. Probably Iran, IMO, has been honest about not wanting them, for example because they believe then other ME countries like Saudi and Turkey would immediately get them as well; there would be an arms race and a massively increased feeling of insecurity in the world. If nothing else, Iranians are Shia and the others are Sunni and they have been fighting forever. Many wouldn't take the Iranians at their word when they say nukes are basically against their religion because of their indiscriminate nature. And reportedly Iran didn't use chemical weapons either while Iraq used them (supplied by the US) - also for religious reasons, so I can believe it. I just feel like now maybe Iran might change its mind out of desperation; the situation wrt the nuke issue seems worse than before the war. Is the material even in Isfahan? They had so much forewarning before they were attacked last June, they might have spread it out (which would have been logical) and who knows where. With the JCPOA at least there was some oversight, now there's nothing.

Anyhow, the missile depletion is very relevant because if Trump restarts it will be that much harder to deal that final blow to Iran that would finally break its will. Iran has only gained it confidence now as they feel they've clearly won against the superpower. They almost welcome renewed fighting. That's why they are making very maximalist demands. Trump claims they are waving the white flag wanting to give up ("and the fake media calls this a win for Iran"); I haven't seen any of that so far at least.
 

They didn't want them, but enriched uranium to 60%, which has no practical use other than getting the the appropriate % to make them.  Gotcha.

I am also sure the US has 10 other ways to fuck up Iran outside of using missiles.  And anything Iran is doing is posturing.  They are just stalling, but eventually won't be able to.

[Van_Bilderass]

I am also sure the US has 10 other ways to fuck up Iran outside of using missiles.  And anything Iran is doing is posturing.  They are just stalling, but eventually won't be able to.

Yea, we will see if it's posturing. So far they haven't caved though and the pressure is tremendous I'm sure, economically and otherwise. I admit I will be disappointed if they cave, but it's easy for me to say as it's not my skin in the game.

Trump just now said Iran's military, navy and air force are totally obliterated. Well then, land the troops ashore and march into Tehran, easy peasy. Speaking of posturing.

Trump says he's in no hurry as a good deal takes time. But I'm sure it costs a lot to keep the US military locked and loaded in the area, the carriers etc. The energy markets don't like this either. I haven't fact checked and I don't know much about it, but I heard the US is also taking some damage, having to dip into strategic oil reserves to keep the market stable etc.

I'm not on Truth Social but supposedly Trump "tweeted" 54 times in the middle of last night?! He says he doesn't take substances...

Will this happen? Hell if I know, I'm not an expert on this stuff and can't make predictions. Do you have any predictions or guesses Grape?

[GymnJuice]

Why take offense? The reason is because I'm quite despondent; it doesn't seem like the 'little man' can do anything to change the course of things. Lots of Americans feel that way as well, including many high information folks. You know how many in the US say it's a uniparty and it's only an illusion that you as a voter can change the course of things. The deep state and the billionaire class decides things. So when I comment it's only about observations, not about changing things. You saying I devote too much time crying about the US is a bit silly. I'm sure you know Trump's moves affect Europe as well, for example the energy markets. Trump is involved in the Ukraine conflict and that affects me to the highest degree; Trump has allowed the conflict to go on and now Europe is determined to go to war with Russia in 2029, insanity! I'll have you know Trump is discussed on the news here daily, he's not just your issue. Little Marco was just here for a visit too

I've got plenty of criticisms of Trump but I always felt like he wanted the US out of Ukraine more than Biden.

[Van_Bilderass]

I've got plenty of criticisms of Trump but I always felt like he wanted the US out of Ukraine more than Biden.

I listen to a lot of podcasts with analysts focusing on the Ukraine conflict, I read a bunch as well. Many are very critical of Trump (many disappointed Trump voters) and are dissidents in that way; so there is a bias, I know and I keep it in mind. But they say Trump started supporting Ukraine in his first term already, with weapons etc with a mind to counter Russia. They say US generals are in Wiesbaden Germany directing the war. This is public information actually. Musk's Starlink is involved in directing the missiles and drones, Russia used Starlink too until Musk shut it down. The CIA is allegedly involved in supplying intelligence to Ukraine: I believe it. Many of the western supplied weapons systems need foreign personnel to operate (US personnel). There are official strategy documents which outline US strategy to maintain world hegemony, countering Russia and China, and Trump is following the long term plan exactly. That's why I say the US is at war with Russia. Trump can't say this is Biden's war IMO. He says it would never have started if he had been president but that is obviously impossible to know.

I know Biden was very hesitant to send certain weapons to Ukraine which Trump later approved. As you noted he floated the idea of supplying Tomahawks but he chickened out after call with Putin. A few days ago Russia gave a warning saying the embassies in Kiev should be emptied. Lavrov made a call to Marco Rubio, which allegedly Marco didn't want to take at first as he was travelling. Lavrov insisted. The US emptied it's Kiev embassy, they took the warning seriously. The Europeans claim they didn't.

 
During a joint press conference Wednesday with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, President Donald Trump took a shot at former President Barack Obama, claiming that while the Trump administration provided Ukraine with “anti-tank busters,” Obama simply sent “pillows and sheets.”

[Grape Ape]

Yea, we will see if it's posturing. So far they haven't caved though and the pressure is tremendous I'm sure, economically and otherwise. I admit I will be disappointed if they cave, but it's easy for me to say as it's not my skin in the game.

Trump just now said Iran's military, navy and air force are totally obliterated. Well then, land the troops ashore and march into Tehran, easy peasy. Speaking of posturing.

Trump says he's in no hurry as a good deal takes time. But I'm sure it costs a lot to keep the US military locked and loaded in the area, the carriers etc. The energy markets don't like this either. I haven't fact checked and I don't know much about it, but I heard the US is also taking some damage, having to dip into strategic oil reserves to keep the market stable etc.

I'm not on Truth Social but supposedly Trump "tweeted" 54 times in the middle of last night?! He says he doesn't take substances...

Will this happen? Hell if I know, I'm not an expert on this stuff and can't make predictions. Do you have any predictions or guesses Grape?

I don't read Truth Social so I have no idea.  I tend not to pay attention to the bluster.

Why would they march into Tehran?  Is that where the uranium is?

[Van_Bilderass]

I don't read Truth Social so I have no idea.  I tend not to pay attention to the bluster.

Why would they march into Tehran?  Is that where the uranium is?

Maybe they could take over the institutions for a while, while they install a preferred leader. There are allegations the US planned to put in ex-president Ahmadinejad, not Pahlavi

Look at this. FFS LOL! Much fun.