Was Zane as perfect as we're told he was?

[Van_Bilderass]

well maybe you should enlighten us with your wisdom as you seem to know better in almost every subject

Fuck of fuckface!!!!!!

You don't see how I constantly repeat how uncertain I am and that I ask for others' opinions? You don't see how I constantly say I'm not familiar with this or that subject? How much do I have to apologize for my humble remarks in my posts? Of course I sometimes make a gentle sarcastic remark, I try to fit in as that's how you're supposed to act here. I mean working out is just so.... similar among bodybuilders. This post is meant to be in a good natured nonconfrontational tone - bro!

[IroNat]

That's it, Van.

Tell Donny to f*ck off.

[NaturalWonder83]

I never met Zane but I overheard Katz,Arnold,Franco,and a few others say he was quiet and didn`t speak much...........Arnold called him a stuck up asshole.

I heard this back when they filmed Pumping Iron.......did I ever tell you guys I was in P.I. ?   LOL   

You were in Pumping Iron?

[illuminati]

Fuck of fuckface!!!!!!

You don't see how I constantly repeat how uncertain I am and that I ask for others' opinions? You don't see how I constantly say I'm not familiar with this or that subject? How much do I have to apologize for my humble remarks in my posts? Of course I sometimes make a gentle sarcastic remark, I try to fit in as that's how you're supposed to act here. I mean working out is just so.... similar among bodybuilders. This post is meant to be in a good natured nonconfrontational tone - bro!

Van - take zero notice of Donny the Die Linke communist Hypocrite/ Liar & Snitch
He's a complete & utter scumbag & lower than a Snakes belly.

[wes]

You were in Pumping Iron?

Cameraman panned by me in a crowd scene twice.......my claim to fame.   

[Pet shop boys]

He beat Mentzer every time they met on stage ..... thats good enough to me



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

[Humble Narcissist]

He beat Mentzer every time they met on stage ..... thats good enough to me



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh

Mentzer was so obsessed with Arnold he couldn't focus on his real competition.

[Donny]

Mentzer was so obsessed with Arnold he couldn't focus on his real competition.

he wasnīt focused on Arnold, he hated the corruption that Arnold was a part of
you guys can ball lick Arnold all day but you know Arnold was a f@ggot passed around by the Weiders
without Joe & ben he wouldnīt be in the US of A & nothing, he paid a price ...hahaha

[Brenda Steunbeer]

he wasnīt focused on Arnold, he hated the corruption that Arnold was a part of
you guys can ball lick Arnold all day but you know Arnold was a f@ggot passed around by the Weiders
without Joe & ben he wouldnīt be in the US of A & nothing, he paid a price ...hahaha

Nice try but bs. Arnold already was an established champion before he moved to the USA
NABBA Mr Universe 1966, 1967 and 1968

It's the lower less talented and less succesful bodybuilders who were struggling (see the link to the Bill Grant video in another topic...)
The Weiders knew Arnold was a money making machine for them

He was the future of bodybuilding and very marketable. Advertisers, and readers liked him = more sales. What it's all about.

[Donny]

Nice try but bs. Arnold already was an established champion before he moved to the USA
NABBA Mr Universe 1966, 1967 and 1968

It's the lower less talented and less succesful bodybuilders who were struggling (see the link to the Bill Grant video in another topic...)
The Weiders knew Arnold was a money making machine for them

He was the future of bodybuilding and very marketable. Advertisers, and readers liked him = more sales. What it's all about.

Before Arnold arrived he was in England with a Guy called Wag Bennett & lived with his family
Wag Bennet had a Gym where Arnold trained.
In the US of A Weider knew he was a fatty & sent him to Vince Gironda..who called him a Fat Bastard
Arnoldīs ego was too big .. he sold out to the old men who loved homosexuality .muscle boys & sodomy
the rest is history 

[Pet shop boys]

Nice try but bs. Arnold already was an established champion before he moved to the USA
NABBA Mr Universe 1966, 1967 and 1968

It's the lower less talented and less succesful bodybuilders who were struggling (see the link to the Bill Grant video in another topic...)
The Weiders knew Arnold was a money making machine for them

He was the future of bodybuilding and very marketable. Advertisers, and readers liked him = more sales. What it's all about.

This.

In fact, Mentzer was the one passed around to have his rent covered, drugs etc  .... his fans very well are aware of that, yet they keep throwing the Arnold homo" comments like that somehow makes Mentzer better than him ...


WooooooSSSHHHHHHHHH

[Donny]

This.

In fact, Mentzer was the one passed around to have his rent covered, drugs etc  .... his fans very well are aware of that, yet they keep throwing the Arnold homo" comments like that somehow makes Mentzer better than him ...


WooooooSSSHHHHHHHHH

To be fair to Arnold..i do believe he & paul Graham had a real Homo relationship,
if Arnold used Paulīs love for him to make him take the rap for criminality & give him the Mr O in 1980 is in my opinion probable

[beakdoctor]

 I genuinely do not get the reverence for Zane. Of course he looked great, he was a pro bodybuilder at a time when all pro bodybuilders looked great. The standards at the time were such that size, proportion,  definition were all at their ideal masculine peak.

What I mean by that is, in ancient Rome or ancient Greece, artists sculpted statues of what a heroic male should look like, though few men walked around looking like those statues, the artists imagined what a God or mythical hero should ideally look like and if you compared it to modern man the closest you would get is a pro bodybuilder of the 70's/early 80's.

With that said, imo Zane is overrated.  Yes, he had a few really good years, 1968, 1978 and 1979 in particular. I think his biggest asset was how he presented his physique and the way he posed, his  other major strength was during his Olympia run when he figured out how to get much more shredded than his competition. Beyond that it's hard for me to see how he was objectively better than many of his peers- take Coe or Beckles or Dickerson or Viator or Padilla for example. And say who had the best chest? Arms? Back? Legs? Abs? I dont see Zane winning any of those categories,  but somehow it's sacrilege to suggest any of those guys were better than Zane.

TL/DR- no, Zane is not as great/perfect as we're told but still a great physique nonetheless.

[MajorDomo]

I always felt this physique was attainable by a 5'9" guy. Maybe not me though, haha. But he embodies a realistic body type as opposed to what i see these days.

[wes]

I genuinely do not get the reverence for Zane. Of course he looked great, he was a pro bodybuilder at a time when all pro bodybuilders looked great. The standards at the time were such that size, proportion,  definition were all at their ideal masculine peak.

What I mean by that is, in ancient Rome or ancient Greece, artists sculpted statues of what a heroic male should look like, though few men walked around looking like those statues, the artists imagined what a God or mythical hero should ideally look like and if you compared it to modern man the closest you would get is a pro bodybuilder of the 70's/early 80's.

With that said, imo Zane is overrated.  Yes, he had a few really good years, 1968, 1978 and 1979 in particular. I think his biggest asset was how he presented his physique and the way he posed, his  other major strength was during his Olympia run when he figured out how to get much more shredded than his competition. Beyond that it's hard for me to see how he was objectively better than many of his peers- take Coe or Beckles or Dickerson or Viator or Padilla for example. And say who had the best chest? Arms? Back? Legs? Abs? I dont see Zane winning any of those categories,  but somehow it's sacrilege to suggest any of those guys were better than Zane.

TL/DR- no, Zane is not as great/perfect as we're told but still a great physique nonetheless.

A lot of those guys had far better body parts than Zane.....but the overall physique on stage is what set him apart.

He had a certain flow that no one  else had.

[Royalty]

A lot of those guys had far better body parts than Zane.....but the overall physique on stage is what set him apart.

He had a certain flow that no one  else had.

Samir Bannout said that backstage, Zane looked like nothing.  And backstage, Mike Mentzer and Robby Robinson looked like monsters.

But once they filed onstage, Samir said that his eyes went straight to Zane. Zane looked unbeatable

[Bevo]

Zane won 3 Olympias....... the others you`re mentioning in your post won a combined total of ZERO.

It`s a very subjective sport, plus Weider was as crooked as my hunchback brother.

I mean, Shawn Ray, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, won a total of ZERO, but Lundsford, Curry, Ramy, Samson, Jay, Hadi, are all O winners

[Bevo]

Cameraman panned by me in a crowd scene twice.......my claim to fame.   

Were you in the back pump up room rubbing oil on the competitors?

[Bevo]

Before Arnold arrived he was in England with a Guy called Wag Bennett & lived with his family
Wag Bennet had a Gym where Arnold trained.
In the US of A Weider knew he was a fatty & sent him to Vince Gironda..who called him a Fat Bastard
Arnoldīs ego was too big .. he sold out to the old men who loved homosexuality .muscle boys & sodomy
the rest is history 

Like you with black prostitutes while being married

[wes]

I mean, Shawn Ray, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, won a total of ZERO, but Lundsford, Curry, Ramy, Samson, Jay, Hadi, are all O winners

Sheer lunacy isn`t it

[wes]

Were you in the back pump up room rubbing oil on the competitors?

I`ll never tell big boy!!   

[AbrahamG]

he wasnīt focused on Arnold, he hated the corruption that Arnold was a part of
you guys can ball lick Arnold all day but you know Arnold was a f@ggot passed around by the Weiders
without Joe & ben he wouldnīt be in the US of A & nothing, he paid a price ...hahaha

You really, really want to believe Arnold is homosexual.  I think most folks here know why that is.  I'm starting to think all the black prostitutes you fuck/fucked while married have little surprises down below.  The only thing left to uncover is whether or not you take it up the ass, down the hatch or both. 

[Donny]

You really, really want to believe Arnold is homosexual.  I think most folks here know why that is.  I'm starting to think all the black prostitutes you fuck/fucked while married have little surprises down below.  The only thing left to uncover is whether or not you take it up the ass, down the hatch or both.

You're obviously an angry Black Gay man
You & Bevo seem quite close 

[AbrahamG]

You're obviously an angry Black Gay man
You & Bevo seem quite close 

Listen up cocksmith.  Bevo is a founding member of #teamhorsecock.  Put some respect on that man's name. 

[honest]

I think Zane had one of the most balanced classical physiques we have ever seen. He would not rate in anyones top ten bodybuilding physiques, as his mass isn't there by later era standards, but I don't think there is anyone else as well put together at that weight and height in that era.
In the 90s era you can't go past flex 1993, that's the best 215 pound bodybuilder we have ever seen, trouble is he run into the best 257lb bodybuilder we have ever seen.