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The so called "1980 Mr. Olympia controversy" has been exaggerated for over four decades, largely because people have repeated the same stories without ever looking at the actual contest or the historical context. If you go back and watch the footage, compare the physiques, and separate the myths from the facts, the idea that this was some monumental robbery begins to fall apart.

The first myth that needs to die is the CBS television story. For years, people have claimed that CBS had already decided methzer was the winner, discovered the contest had been "fixed" for Arnold Schwarzenegger, packed up their cameras in protest, and refused to broadcast the show. There has never been any evidence to support this. No official statement from CBS, no documents, no interviews from network executives confirming such a claim. The far more mundane explanation is that the filming crew simply did not record the entire contest. The dramatic story of CBS exposing a conspiracy was largely fuelled after the event by people who were unhappy with the result, particularly Roy Callender's and Danny Padilla's contemporaries such as Boyer Coe and methzer, who had every reason to be bitter. Over the years the story has been repeated so often that many people simply accept it as fact despite there being no credible evidence behind it.

Then there's the biggest piece of revisionist history, the idea that the contest came down to Arnold versus methzer. It didn't. That narrative was created years later. At the time, methzer was not viewed as Arnold's great rival. He wasn't even considered the favourite to win. Frank Zane, Chris Dickerson and Boyer Coe were all regarded as major contenders. methzer ultimately finished fifth, while Zane finished third. Even if Arnold had never entered the competition, there is no guarantee methzer would have won. The notion that he was "robbed of the title" is something that grew over the years, particularly after he became famous for promoting Heavy Duty training. As his popularity grew, so did attempts to rewrite his competitive career into something greater than it actually was.

This is where many HIT supporters struggle to separate methzer the bodybuilding author from methzer the competitive bodybuilder. They admire his training philosophy, so they naturally elevate his contest achievements. Suddenly Arnold and methzer are portrayed as lifelong rivals when, in reality, Arnold's legendary battles were against Sergio Oliva, Lou Ferrigno and, to a lesser extent, Frank Zane. Those were the men who defined Arnold's competitive career. methzer simply wasn't viewed in that league during his actual competitive years. Had he never become the face of Heavy Duty training, very few bodybuilding fans today would be arguing that he should have won the 1980 Olympia.

It's also worth remembering that methzer wasn't dominating the sport leading into 1980. At the 1979 Mr. Olympia he finished behind Frank Zane. In 1980 he couldn't even beat Zane again, despite Zane being well below his very best after injury. He also finished behind Chris Dickerson. If methzer couldn't clearly establish himself ahead of those smaller competitors, the claim that he was the obvious winner over Arnold becomes much harder to defend.

Another point that often gets ignored is Arnold's size advantage. Throughout bodybuilding history, the bigger, fuller bodybuilder has usually enjoyed an advantage over smaller competitors, provided conditioning is reasonably close. That's not unique to Arnold. Dorian Yates routinely outweighed Shawn Ray and still won. Jay Cutler defeated Dexter Jackson multiple times despite Dexter often having superior conditioning. Size has always mattered in bodybuilding because judges reward overall muscular development, not just sharp conditioning. Arnold returned weighing significantly more than most of the lineup. He wasn't at his absolute career peak, but he didn't need to be. He still presented more muscle, width and overall presence than almost everyone standing beside him.
People often argue Arnold looked worse than he did in the mid-1970s. That's true, but it's also beside the point. Judging is based on who is best on the day, not whether someone matches their own previous peak. Arnold wasn't competing against his 1975 self. He was competing against the 1980 lineup.

And that lineup, despite having plenty of entrants, was not nearly as intimidating as some people now pretend. Quantity does not equal quality. By 1980, Sergio Oliva was gone, Lou Ferrigno had moved away from top level competition, and Serge Nubret wasn't in the contest. Those were Arnold's greatest rivals. Samir Bannout, who would later become Mr. Olympia, was still years away from his best and finished well down the placings. Lee Haney hadn't yet arrived to dominate the sport. The field contained many good professionals, but very few athletes who would go on to become dominant Olympias. Arnold knew exactly what he was doing when he entered. He saw an opportunity against a comparatively weak field and took it.

Finally, there is methzer himself. Much of the controversy survived because he never stopped talking about it. For years he wrote articles and gave interviews insisting he had been robbed. His supporters, like Little, repeated those claims until they became accepted folklore within certain bodybuilding circles. Ironically, the very people who argue Arnold's reputation influenced the judges often ignore how much methzer's own repeated complaints influenced public opinion afterwards. Without decades of interviews, articles and Heavy Duty followers keeping the story alive, the 1980 Olympia would probably be remembered as nothing more than a disputed judging decision rather than one of bodybuilding's greatest alleged scandals.
The same pattern appears in discussions of Heavy Duty training. methzer's own recommendations changed dramatically over time. Early on he advocated training several days per week with more volume than many people realise. As the years passed, his system became progressively more minimalist, eventually recommending extremely infrequent training, with body parts sometimes being trained only every 10 to 14 days. Those constantly changing recommendations raise obvious questions about the consistency of the philosophy. If the original system was truly optimal, why did it require so many revisions? Answer, it doesnt work.

In the end, the 1980 Olympia has become less about what actually happened on stage and more about the mythology built around it afterwards. Watch the contest, study the physiques, ignore decades of emotional retellings, and what remains is not evidence of a grand conspiracy but simply another close bodybuilding contest that some fans have spent forty years turning into something far bigger than it ever really was.

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2026, 03:56:36 AM »
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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2026, 05:39:10 AM »
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Try actually debunking me instead of coming up with silly pics making out that Arnold was gay. methzer was the gay one by the way.

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2026, 06:29:45 AM »
John Little is an appropriate name.

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2026, 10:15:50 AM »
This is an appropriate video for Getbig on a subject rarely discussed.   :D

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2026, 12:06:40 PM »
This guy, John little,  and his bullshit youtube channels and others like Heavy Duty College,  ROFLOL, are so pathetic. It's one thing for Mike Mentzer to be a weak willed little bitch and shrivel up like a wet babies penis then whither up and die because Arnold Schwarzenegger said you have a blubberry belly, but Holy Fucking Hell, there's a group of about 7 thousand middle aged losers- including little,  heart, royalty and others, who work out once every seventeen days because they're fat and lazy and claim it's the only scientific way to work out, who are also secretly queer and love mustachioed meth loving losers, who love every video posted by these two asswipes. LOL.

I imagine Royalty working in tandem with these guys, scoring some primo ICE on their Friday lunch break,  getting off work, going home, skipping the shower, dropping their drawers and jacking off to Mike and Ray mentzer recordings for the next 55 hours non-stop, smoking meth, firing up their paid Chatgpt subscription and rolling out 1980 Mr. Olympia videos for the next 2 and a half days. Im sure every Monday morning around 5 am, they beging to hate themselves and swear through bleary blood shot eyes that  they will STOP doing this and next weekend they will ACTUALLY go to the gym and eat healthy and get some sleep and try to actually meet a living creature with a vagina. LOL.

Every time Royalty responds to himself with triple and quadruple back-to-back posts about mentzer or Arnold it only proves what a total fucking loser he and his entire demographic of gaylords are.

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2026, 01:57:46 PM »
How some on this forum are so obsessed with this one bodybuilding show so many decades ago is mind boggling to me.


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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2026, 08:47:07 AM »
One of the biggest bodybuilding disappointments was to go to Gold’s Venice in the late 80s and see Mike Mentzer in real life looking like a fat lazy homeless turd in a T Michael sweatshirt.

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2026, 08:51:05 AM »
I think Mentzer probably left Little a part of his estate, so Little tries to keep the flame alive so to speak.

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2026, 09:23:58 AM »
One of the biggest bodybuilding disappointments was to go to Gold’s Venice in the late 80s and see Mike Mentzer in real life looking like a fat lazy homeless turd in a T Michael sweatshirt.

He was already out of shape in the 80ies... seems like he was in a hurry to destroy himself
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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2026, 03:19:59 PM »
Any relation to Stuart Little?

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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2026, 08:26:42 PM »
What's truly interesting is all these HIT/Mentzer cult members love to talk about how great Mentzer was and point to his "perfect' 300 score at the universe as proof of the effectiveness of his trading,  but they never mention Ray who trained the same way and had great genetics for strength and building muscle but couldn't do anything in the ifbb. He won Mr. America turned pro, placed poorly in every show and quit.

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2026, 09:23:05 PM »
Any relation to Stuart Little?
..........or Martha Stewart.... or Chicken Little   ???

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2026, 08:06:03 AM »
What's truly interesting is all these HIT/Mentzer cult members love to talk about how great Mentzer was and point to his "perfect' 300 score at the universe as proof of the effectiveness of his trading,  but they never mention Ray who trained the same way and had great genetics for strength and building muscle but couldn't do anything in the ifbb. He won Mr. America turned pro, placed poorly in every show and quit.
Ray was probably the strongest bodybuilder in any gym he entered. I think the Mentzer brothers were better suited for powerlifting or even arm wrestling anyway.

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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2026, 09:06:33 AM »
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The so called "1980 Mr. Olympia controversy" has been exaggerated for over four decades, largely because people have repeated the same stories without ever looking at the actual contest or the historical context. If you go back and watch the footage, compare the physiques, and separate the myths from the facts, the idea that this was some monumental robbery begins to fall apart.

The first myth that needs to die is the CBS television story. For years, people have claimed that CBS had already decided methzer was the winner, discovered the contest had been "fixed" for Arnold Schwarzenegger, packed up their cameras in protest, and refused to broadcast the show. There has never been any evidence to support this. No official statement from CBS, no documents, no interviews from network executives confirming such a claim. The far more mundane explanation is that the filming crew simply did not record the entire contest. The dramatic story of CBS exposing a conspiracy was largely fuelled after the event by people who were unhappy with the result, particularly Roy Callender's and Danny Padilla's contemporaries such as Boyer Coe and methzer, who had every reason to be bitter. Over the years the story has been repeated so often that many people simply accept it as fact despite there being no credible evidence behind it.

Then there's the biggest piece of revisionist history, the idea that the contest came down to Arnold versus methzer. It didn't. That narrative was created years later. At the time, methzer was not viewed as Arnold's great rival. He wasn't even considered the favourite to win. Frank Zane, Chris Dickerson and Boyer Coe were all regarded as major contenders. methzer ultimately finished fifth, while Zane finished third. Even if Arnold had never entered the competition, there is no guarantee methzer would have won. The notion that he was "robbed of the title" is something that grew over the years, particularly after he became famous for promoting Heavy Duty training. As his popularity grew, so did attempts to rewrite his competitive career into something greater than it actually was.

This is where many HIT supporters struggle to separate methzer the bodybuilding author from methzer the competitive bodybuilder. They admire his training philosophy, so they naturally elevate his contest achievements. Suddenly Arnold and methzer are portrayed as lifelong rivals when, in reality, Arnold's legendary battles were against Sergio Oliva, Lou Ferrigno and, to a lesser extent, Frank Zane. Those were the men who defined Arnold's competitive career. methzer simply wasn't viewed in that league during his actual competitive years. Had he never become the face of Heavy Duty training, very few bodybuilding fans today would be arguing that he should have won the 1980 Olympia.

It's also worth remembering that methzer wasn't dominating the sport leading into 1980. At the 1979 Mr. Olympia he finished behind Frank Zane. In 1980 he couldn't even beat Zane again, despite Zane being well below his very best after injury. He also finished behind Chris Dickerson. If methzer couldn't clearly establish himself ahead of those smaller competitors, the claim that he was the obvious winner over Arnold becomes much harder to defend.

Another point that often gets ignored is Arnold's size advantage. Throughout bodybuilding history, the bigger, fuller bodybuilder has usually enjoyed an advantage over smaller competitors, provided conditioning is reasonably close. That's not unique to Arnold. Dorian Yates routinely outweighed Shawn Ray and still won. Jay Cutler defeated Dexter Jackson multiple times despite Dexter often having superior conditioning. Size has always mattered in bodybuilding because judges reward overall muscular development, not just sharp conditioning. Arnold returned weighing significantly more than most of the lineup. He wasn't at his absolute career peak, but he didn't need to be. He still presented more muscle, width and overall presence than almost everyone standing beside him.
People often argue Arnold looked worse than he did in the mid-1970s. That's true, but it's also beside the point. Judging is based on who is best on the day, not whether someone matches their own previous peak. Arnold wasn't competing against his 1975 self. He was competing against the 1980 lineup.

And that lineup, despite having plenty of entrants, was not nearly as intimidating as some people now pretend. Quantity does not equal quality. By 1980, Sergio Oliva was gone, Lou Ferrigno had moved away from top level competition, and Serge Nubret wasn't in the contest. Those were Arnold's greatest rivals. Samir Bannout, who would later become Mr. Olympia, was still years away from his best and finished well down the placings. Lee Haney hadn't yet arrived to dominate the sport. The field contained many good professionals, but very few athletes who would go on to become dominant Olympias. Arnold knew exactly what he was doing when he entered. He saw an opportunity against a comparatively weak field and took it.

Finally, there is methzer himself. Much of the controversy survived because he never stopped talking about it. For years he wrote articles and gave interviews insisting he had been robbed. His supporters, like Little, repeated those claims until they became accepted folklore within certain bodybuilding circles. Ironically, the very people who argue Arnold's reputation influenced the judges often ignore how much methzer's own repeated complaints influenced public opinion afterwards. Without decades of interviews, articles and Heavy Duty followers keeping the story alive, the 1980 Olympia would probably be remembered as nothing more than a disputed judging decision rather than one of bodybuilding's greatest alleged scandals.
The same pattern appears in discussions of Heavy Duty training. methzer's own recommendations changed dramatically over time. Early on he advocated training several days per week with more volume than many people realise. As the years passed, his system became progressively more minimalist, eventually recommending extremely infrequent training, with body parts sometimes being trained only every 10 to 14 days. Those constantly changing recommendations raise obvious questions about the consistency of the philosophy. If the original system was truly optimal, why did it require so many revisions? Answer, it doesnt work.

In the end, the 1980 Olympia has become less about what actually happened on stage and more about the mythology built around it afterwards. Watch the contest, study the physiques, ignore decades of emotional retellings, and what remains is not evidence of a grand conspiracy but simply another close bodybuilding contest that some fans have spent forty years turning into something far bigger than it ever really was.


Who gives a shit what John Little has to say??? 

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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2026, 09:17:34 AM »
This guy, John little,  and his bullshit youtube channels and others like Heavy Duty College,  ROFLOL, are so pathetic. It's one thing for Mike Mentzer to be a weak willed little bitch and shrivel up like a wet babies penis then whither up and die because Arnold Schwarzenegger said you have a blubberry belly, but Holy Fucking Hell, there's a group of about 7 thousand middle aged losers- including little,  heart, royalty and others, who work out once every seventeen days because they're fat and lazy and claim it's the only scientific way to work out, who are also secretly queer and love mustachioed meth loving losers, who love every video posted by these two asswipes. LOL.

I imagine Royalty working in tandem with these guys, scoring some primo ICE on their Friday lunch break,  getting off work, going home, skipping the shower, dropping their drawers and jacking off to Mike and Ray mentzer recordings for the next 55 hours non-stop, smoking meth, firing up their paid Chatgpt subscription and rolling out 1980 Mr. Olympia videos for the next 2 and a half days. Im sure every Monday morning around 5 am, they beging to hate themselves and swear through bleary blood shot eyes that  they will STOP doing this and next weekend they will ACTUALLY go to the gym and eat healthy and get some sleep and try to actually meet a living creature with a vagina. LOL.

Every time Royalty responds to himself with triple and quadruple back-to-back posts about mentzer or Arnold it only proves what a total fucking loser he and his entire demographic of gaylords are.

Well said they are all pudgy low test lazy twats
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Re: John Little desperately trying to rewrite history yet again.
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2026, 06:39:02 AM »

Who gives a shit what John Little has to say???
John Little and Peter Sisco created some of the worst bodybuilding systems known to man. Static Contraction had to be the most retarded program ever. I'm sure Mentzer was proud of his students.