You dont "add muscle"

[Donny]

In my humble opinion you can't simply look at two guys do a set to "failure" and then conclude who put more effort in, we can't see into their brains. Doing low volume like Dorian the approach is different than if you know you have several more sets to go. It just is. I never competed in powerlifting but I'll still make an analogy. A powerlifter has 9 single reps in a flight that may go by quickly or it may take the whole day if it's a big class. It may look like all of the lifts were smooth, not grinding - no big deal, let's do it again next weekend. But the guy may be totally wiped out, it may take months to recover fully, in some rare cases.

Dorian used to say he would come home from the gym and just fall on the bed and go to sleep immediately. I don't claim to be Dorian but I've experienced this many times, as have lifting partners. Perhaps very low volume but tons of physical and nervous energy expended. There were many fellow pros who went to lift with Dorian but not many stuck with the program and I don't think it was to save the joints.

Now Milos' program is a different kind of intense and it's not something I could ever have kept up with. One giant set for legs and I would need a chauffeur to take me home Milos trained heavy too, some extremely heavy squats for example. I saw some fairly recent hack presses of his on IG and he went really heavy at age 64. And Milos already tore his quads off the bone on the hacks LOL.

I think Joe Weider liked Dorian`s Skinhead Tats 

[Van_Bilderass]

I think Joe Weider liked Dorian`s Skinhead Tats 

Haha Dorian had to sandblast them off

Dorian wasn't even a Nazi skin, he was the leftist kind I think, blacks in his crew.

He fell into the rabbit hole later though, said the Holocaust was BS. But amazingly managed not to get canceled

Too cool to be canceled?

[joswift]

Haha Dorian had to sandblast them off

Dorian wasn't even a Nazi skin, he was the leftist kind I think, blacks in his crew.

He fell into the rabbit hole later though, said the Holocaust was BS. But amazingly managed not to get canceled

Too cool to be canceled?

cancelled from what?
Apart from bodybuilders no one has a fucking clue who he is...

[Van_Bilderass]

cancelled from what?
Apart from bodybuilders no one has a fucking clue who he is...

Dorian is a "big" name I do think even many normies recognize. He's been on the biggest platforms, for example Joe Rogan. Non-bodybuilders may have watched because of his psychedelic use and hippie persona or whatever. There have been attempts to try to cancel him over the antisemitism. I guess he's not quite big enough where people have cared, or he's too likeable and it would backfire (it would instead draw attention to his controversial views), I don't know.

Anyway, I went on Milos' IG to see if I could find a clip of Milos doing hacks in his older age. Didn't find it yet but I saw this of Hadi doing brutal smith machine squatting. Failure not reached at any point but damn, I would die. Would get rhabdo for sure.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbwHr7RsNuw/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&exln=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==&srtk=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Almost the same on YT. Respect. What do you think joswift?

[Donny]

Haha Dorian had to sandblast them off

Dorian wasn't even a Nazi skin, he was the leftist kind I think, blacks in his crew.

He fell into the rabbit hole later though, said the Holocaust was BS. But amazingly managed not to get canceled

Too cool to be canceled?

He went to Borstal & did the then ..short , sharp , shock treatment which was basically British Army training
Obviously didn't suit many guys but apparently Dorian liked it, the intense training

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[joswift]

Dorian is a "big" name I do think even many normies recognize. He's been on the biggest platforms, for example Joe Rogan. Non-bodybuilders may have watched because of his psychedelic use and hippie persona or whatever. There have been attempts to try to cancel him over the antisemitism. I guess he's not quite big enough where people have cared, or he's too likeable and it would backfire (it would instead draw attention to his controversial views), I don't know.

Anyway, I went on Milos' IG to see if I could find a clip of Milos doing hacks in his older age. Didn't find it yet but I saw this of Hadi doing brutal smith machine squatting. Failure not reached at any point but damn, I would die. Would get rhabdo for sure.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbwHr7RsNuw/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&exln=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==&srtk=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Almost the same on YT. Respect. What do you think joswift?

I gurantee most of the people I work with , young and old have never heard of him, no one in my family would know who he was either.

Jeez, people still think Arnold was just Mr Universe, they have no idea what Mr Olympia is

As for reaching total failure, even Dorian didnt do that, you think if he got to the point where he couldnt do another rep if he put the weight down for even 5 seconds he couldnt then pick it up and do a few more reps?

No one does squats to failure or they would be buried under the bar

Most people doing an excercise can get to muscular failure pretty easily, just take an islolation excercise with a moderate weight and rep out, lactic acid would build up relatively quickly making contraction impossible

[Van_Bilderass]

I gurantee most of the people I work with , young and old have never heard of him, no one in my family would know who he was either.

Jeez, people still think Arnold was just Mr Universe, they have no idea what Mr Olympia is

As for reaching total failure, even Dorian didnt do that, you think if he got to the point where he couldnt do another rep if he put the weight down for even 5 seconds he couldnt then pick it up and do a few more reps?

No one does squats to failure or they would be buried under the bar

Most people doing an excercise can get to muscular failure pretty easily, just take an islolation excercise with a moderate weight and rep out, lactic acid would build up relatively quickly making contraction impossible

You make a point I've made myself on here: almost no one ever goes to failure on squats or leg presses especially. I've seen maybe one or two guys fail on diagonal leg presses and the other did it consistently.

Almost everyone can go to failure on rope pushdowns.

Resting for 5 seconds makes it rest-pause, a bit different I've done DC rest-pause sets. Fail, maybe 10 deep breaths and go to fail again. Then once more maybe. A nice way to lift.