matarrazzo said it best,he said most of these dudes in the audiance are on just as much juice as me,and most dude look like me.then they justify their own lack of results by saying im taking tons of this that and that or i have some secret drugs,its all genetics,he said my father has bigger calves then me and he never trained them,he may not have said it word for word like i did but that was his message.you dont take a average horse and try to turn it into a champ,no,first you get a thoroughbred then work from there,same with bodybuilding imo,im not saying a guy with average genetics cant build a great body,ofcourse he can but he will never win shows at the upper level or look like a jay cutler or coleman imo