your right,he was off at the ny pro,ill still believe he can get it together to place better in future contest,i really wanted him to place well,i guess some of you can understand why,he was training along side us everyday at the gym and the guy is really cool and freindly, you couldnt help feeling like you were part of his team so to speak.oh well,i was wrong this time and im sure ill be wrong afew more times trying to predict outcomes of bodybuilding shows,it was worth it though cause its better to root for someone and get let down then not root for no one at all.im still on the federov bandwagon,i really beleive he has the tools to be a force one day