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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2006, 09:19:55 AM »
Both are/were on a bunch of performance enhancing drugs.

One breaks a milestone.
One breaks a leg.

Why all the fuss about the broken leg and little about the milestone?

Who the hell is "Barbaro"? never heard of him
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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2006, 09:21:24 AM »
A circus clown with 19" arms.

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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2006, 09:23:07 AM »
Cheating is defined as breaking the rules to get a competative advantage.Bonds broke ZERO rules in baseball.Taylor and Strawberry broker the rules of their games.Bonds used drugs to play better,thats seen as wrong,but a guy using drugs to destroy his life,career and family,thats ok.Great thinking.

In the mid 90's the comm. of baseball did send out a statement to all major league clubs banning various drugs, which included steroids. This was revealed on Bob Costa's HBO show.
Thus anything during the last 10 years should have been drug free or they did in fact break the rules of major league baseball based on official written policy at the higest level.
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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2006, 09:23:55 AM »
A circus clown with 19" arms.

an actual clown or some athlete-azzclown?
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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2006, 09:43:18 AM »
Ever been to a natural powerlifting or natural bodybuilding show,THEY SUCK!!!!!!!!!Ive been training for twenty five years and  competing for 17,so one thing I don't need,is your advise when it comes to training or work ethic.As far as Bonds not getting caught?I don't understand that.I'm saying he took steroids and I'm saying steroids IS NOT CHEATING!!!!!!!!!It has nothing to do with getting caught.I'm saying using steroids when there is no policy against them makes there user LEGIT.

Ok fair enough. What I gues it boils down to is Bonds is just an asshole to everyone. I know that should not make a difference but if he wasent such a cock sucker he would not get bashed as much as he does. Human nature I guess. So many guys take juice in the bigs youre right it is hypocritical to call one single guy a cheat. I think bonds gets called out on it much more due to his attitude and way with the fans and media.

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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2006, 09:44:23 AM »
Why because I think steroids are a legit training tool?Why because I think our federal government waaaay overstepped their grounds when classifying steroids as a controlled substance when NOT ONE of the experts they brought foreward during the hearings would agree that there wasn't one single solitary reason for steroids being made a controlled substance?Steroids are LEGAL in many countries.Its here that the media has brainwashed our idiot congressmen into believing that steroids are the great satan.Sorry,bro.Steroids are a legit way to help one attain their goals,despite what our wicked evil government,who says nothing about congressmen Patrick Kennedy driving around stoned,says.

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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2006, 10:44:13 AM »
Again you're seriously lacking in common sense. He did in fact cheat-just because you personally think it's ok to do whatever you can get away with doesn't erase his cheating. In effect you've excused his cheating because you think that if someone can get away with it, it erases any problem.

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Bonds did take steroids,however THAT IS NOT CHEATING!!!!!!!!I'm not delusional at all.I think he took advantage of the piss poor rules MLB set down and used whatever he thought would help him play better.I find that admirable.I believe all athletes need to take advantage of whatever they can to perform at the highest levels and if there is no rule prohibiting it then its all good.
You're confirming that you believe that as long as someone can get away with it the justification's made to cheat. Not.

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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2006, 11:45:51 AM »
Please,once again,site the rule in the baseball rulebook that said steroids were not allowed  and that MLB will be testing for them.By your way of thinking,bodybuilders using artificial color are cheating because its not a natural tan.The rule has to be in place,collectively bargained with the players union,for it to be a rule.No rule in major league baseball can be passed without a collective bargaining agreement.Since there was no agreement,there was no rule against steroid use  and therefore,Bonds wasn't cheating.If he were in the NFL and tried to beat the test THEN he would be cheating.Let me ask you this.In my sport of powerlifting,there are tested meets and non tested meets.In the non tested meets everyone understands that people will be using stuff.Is that cheating?In my opinion,its only cheating if you go on and compete in a tested meet.

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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2006, 12:05:17 PM »
Please,once again,site the rule in the baseball rulebook that said steroids were not allowed  and that MLB will be testing for them.By your way of thinking,bodybuilders using artificial color are cheating because its not a natural tan.The rule has to be in place,collectively bargained with the players union,for it to be a rule.No rule in major league baseball can be passed without a collective bargaining agreement.Since there was no agreement,there was no rule against steroid use  and therefore,Bonds wasn't cheating.If he were in the NFL and tried to beat the test THEN he would be cheating.Let me ask you this.In my sport of powerlifting,there are tested meets and non tested meets.In the non tested meets everyone understands that people will be using stuff.Is that cheating?In my opinion,its only cheating if you go on and compete in a tested meet.

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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2006, 12:30:33 PM »
The logic is kinda skewed:

MLB rules did not ban until apprx 11/17/2005 the use of steroids so therefore using prior to that was not cheating.

BUT

Steroids are illegal to buy and use without a prescription. You can be prosecueted for illegally obtaining and using them.  

So in a purely legal since ANY athlete who is using steroids is a criminal and by proxy cheating.

Personally, I am not opposed to steroid use but the facts remain.
                                    

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« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2006, 04:02:09 AM »
Totally disagree.Breaking the law is NOT cheating.If it were half the guys in the NBA and NFL would be defined as cheaters.You are 100% correct in that before 2005 steroids were not illegal in MLB ,again,the only way rules get passed in the Majors is by collective bargaining.Bonds did not cheat!!!!!Those who keep repeating this stupidity don't have a clue of what they are talking about!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2006, 04:48:59 AM »
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Breaking the law is NOT cheating
What exactly IS cheating if breaking the law's also ok? You have some bizarre rationales but don't realize it. Apparently almost anything's acceptable, which should be your first hint that you're on the wrong track.

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« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2006, 04:56:44 AM »
Totally disagree.Breaking the law is NOT cheating.

Now that is a bizarre way of thinking. ???
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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2006, 04:57:40 AM »
Totally disagree.Breaking the law is NOT cheating.If it were half the guys in the NBA and NFL would be defined as cheaters.You are 100% correct in that before 2005 steroids were not illegal in MLB ,again,the only way rules get passed in the Majors is by collective bargaining.Bonds did not cheat!!!!!Those who keep repeating this stupidity don't have a clue of what they are talking about!!!!

Ok, if he wasn't cheating why does he deny using the AAS? DUH?
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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2006, 05:00:54 AM »
If it were half the guys in the NBA and NFL would be defined as cheaters.

Number one- that is a pretty broad assumption. Number two- I know the NFL has a longtime policy banning steroids. I am not sure about the NBA, though I know Billy Hunter was at the Senate steroid hearings. Number three- because cheating is rampant it therefore it isn't cheating anymore? Wow.
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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2006, 05:22:35 AM »
Is beating your wife or girlfriend cheating?Thats breaking the law.Is driving drunk cheating?Thats breaking the law.Taking steroids WHEN THERE IS NO RULE SAYING YOU CANT,is not cheating.You might think its terrible,its breaking the law,its taking a shortcut whatever,ITS NOT CHEATING if there is no rule,as defined by MLB ,collectively bargained.You keep saying my logic is skewed but NOT ONCE have you even tried to back up your case.I keep telling you Bonds broke no rules of MLB ,you say "your logic is backwards".Please,explain what rule Bonds broke that makes him a cheater.Please,give me the rule that was collectively bargained,then explain how Bonds broke that rule to make him a cheater.Please don't give me your moral stance,because I could care less what you think of steroid use.Just tell me the rule Bonds broke.Heres my bet.You cant give me one rule he broke[in fact he has been drug tested at least three times and passed EVERY time]all you can repeatedly say is "Your logic is skewed".You are just like the media.You don't deal in facts,you deal in opinions.Bonds has followed every rule baseball has put foreward.If you want to get mad at steroid use,get mad at the union or the owners for not implementing a policy to make sure the players didn't use them.By the way.Ephedrine was banned a few years ago,should everyone who took that before the ban be called a cheater?Pro-hormones were just recently banned.Should anyone who took those prior to the ban be labled a cheater?If they ban creatine[which will surely come]is everyone who uses it now a cheater?Steroid use is only cheating if there is a rule against it.Breaking the law,does not equal cheating.Breaking the law is just that,breaking the law and law should deal with it,not the media or MLB.

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Re: BONDS vs. Barbaro
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2006, 05:33:36 AM »
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Is beating your wife or girlfriend cheating?Thats breaking the law.Is driving drunk cheating?Thats breaking the law.Taking steroids WHEN THERE IS NO RULE SAYING YOU CANT,is not cheating.You might think its terrible,its breaking the law,its taking a shortcut whatever,ITS NOT CHEATING if there is no rule,as defined by MLB
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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2006, 05:37:41 AM »
TO the guy that says "if it isnt cheating why doesnt he admit it?Duh"?.What an idiotic question.Hey,moron,our stupid,foolish government wouldnt give the players immunity.Should Bonds admit breaking the law and a possible jail sentance to satisfy the government or the media or you?Once again,there is a difference between breaking the law and cheating.Carron Butler,an NBA player spent 14 months in jail for selling crack.That makes him a criminal,not a cheater,while on a basketball court.Duh!!!

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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2006, 05:45:36 AM »
Hey,moron,our stupid,foolish government wouldnt give the players immunity

That's why we have a democracy.

Vote Libertarian, Socialist Party or something.

Republicans and Democrats are hardcore when it comes to steroids nowadays.

Democrats used to be slightly more liberal with some drugs, but they're just as tough on steroids as the Republicans these days.

Libertarians are probably the only ones that wants to allow personal use of steroids. Socialist Party may be more tolerant than the two big parties though.

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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2006, 05:55:07 AM »
That's why we have a democracy.

Vote Libertarian, Socialist Party or something.

Republicans and Democrats are hardcore when it comes to steroids nowadays.

Democrats used to be slightly more liberal with some drugs, but they're just as tough on steroids as the Republicans these days.

Libertarians are probably the only ones that wants to allow personal use of steroids. Socialist Party may be more tolerant than the two big parties though.

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« Reply #45 on: May 25, 2006, 06:02:18 AM »
As predicted,you cant give a single fact.Your really not very good at debating.Simply saying"your wrong" doesnt win the day.I knew you could NEVER deal in facts,just simplistic nonsense.Nice try though,perhaps you should just start your own site and only give your opinions and not take any others,that way your "your wrong" argument might hold water.Here,that type of argument just makes you sound foolish.Carry on.

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« Reply #46 on: May 25, 2006, 06:11:52 AM »
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saying"your wrong" doesnt win the day

Without even realizing it, you unintentionally discredit your lame-ass position further with the sorry grammar-did you finish high school? It's not "your" wrong, it's "you're", you blockhead. It means that you've gone through your entire, long life without being able to discern that difference.

Don't expect to be taken seriously with simplistic views, your inability to process or consider ideas that are clearly foreign to your pea-sized brain, and your continued bastardization of the language.

You are officially clueless in your logic and continued inability to absorb new information you don't agree with already. ;)

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really?
« Reply #47 on: May 25, 2006, 06:33:44 AM »
Exactly what information did you bring to the table?Certainly not one fact.I guess your attempt at being cleaver with the OJ remarks means you enlightened us with your brilliance.Your a typical lemming being led around by the nose by the media.They say Bonds is a cheater,you say Bonds is a cheater.Never would you actually do some research to back up your opinion or actually state one single solitary fact.Have fun in your pathetic little world and keep letting the media dictate every opinion you have,that way you never actually have to think at all.By the way,there is a HUGE difference between book smart and having common sense.You are book smart but don't have the sense God gave a Billy Goat.

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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2006, 06:36:58 AM »
Exactly what information did you bring to the table?Certainly not one fact.I guess your attempt at being cleaver with the OJ remarks means you enlightened us with your brilliance.Your a typical lemming being led around by the nose by the media.They say Bonds is a cheater,you say Bonds is a cheater.Never would you actually do some research to back up your opinion or actually state one single solitary fact.Have fun in your pathetic little world and keep letting the media dictate every opinion you have,that way you never actually have to think at all.By the way,there is a HUGE difference between book smart and having common sense.You are book smart but don't have the sense God gave a Billy Goat.

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« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2006, 06:38:54 AM »
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bump for thinking outside the box....
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think critical or dont think at all!!
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