Author Topic: Least dominant Mr. Olympia ever? (Read 13842 times)

gracie bjj · « **Reply #50 on:** May 25, 2006, 07:46:45 AM »

larry,s huge bi,s helped carry him alittle also,like you said though i agree he was very good for his time,larry loved that preacher curl

LuciusFox · « **Reply #51 on:** May 25, 2006, 07:49:15 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on May 24, 2006, 06:38:06 PM

Like Shawn Perine said , 1981 Mr Olympia was more controversial than 1980 and I agree .

I have to agree with this. I don't know why people like to talk about 1980 as if it were the worst

gracie bjj · « **Reply #52 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:00:57 AM »

imo the 80,s was the last decade that the leaner bdybuilder even had a shot at winning the mr o,guys like gaspari,lebrada,paris,benfatto,ray and some others had a legit shot at winning,now it seems like if your not 260 plus you can forget it,the 80,s had aton of quality bodybuilders imo

pumpster · « **Reply #53 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:01:51 AM »

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Like Shawn Perine said , 1981 Mr Olympia was more controversial than 1980 and I agree .

I have to agree with this. I don't know why people like to talk about 1980 as if it were the worst

Very debatable assumption by Perrine. 1982, 81 and 80 were all in the same ballpark.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #54 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:04:04 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on May 25, 2006, 08:01:51 AM

Perrine wasn't entirely correct. 1982, 81 and 80 were all in the same ballpark.

Arnold was the clear winner in 1980. What was wrong in 1982?

pumpster · « **Reply #55 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:04:56 AM »

Chris was probably as weak as Columbu, at the bottom of the pile. Obviously Arnold was not a clear winner otherwise the debate wouldn't have continued. Too close to say that any one of those early-80s shows was more questionable than the next-about the same top guys in 81 and 82.

In '82 he beat about the same field, with Fox & Makkawy added in lieu of Callender: Fox, Zane, Platz, Padilla, Makkay, etc.

gracie bjj · « **Reply #56 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:09:14 AM »

the 80 and 81 olympia imo and many other peoples opinion will go down as the most controversial shows ever,the 81 o especially.ive always been a franco fan but cmon

natural al · « **Reply #57 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:15:21 AM »

81 O was the worst...there are pics of Franco alongside Padillia and Danny crushes him, plus you had Roy Callender and Platz at thier all time best...

LuciusFox · « **Reply #58 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:18:13 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on May 25, 2006, 08:04:56 AM

Chris was probably as weak as Columbu, at the bottom of the pile. Obviously Arnold was not a clear winner otherwise the debate wouldn't have continued. Too close to say that any one of those early-80s shows was more questionable than the next.

In '82 he beat Fox, Zane, Platz, etc.

It was controversial because Arnold knew the judges and wasn't supposed to have competed. His physique was clearly the best. Take a look at the pics.

pumpster · « **Reply #59 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:22:02 AM »

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It was controversial because Arnold knew the judges and wasn't supposed to have competed. His physique was clearly the best. Take a look at the pics.

Too simplistic-physically Schwarzenegger was nowhere near what he'd been, having rushed into it at the last minute mainly as a promotional vehicle for his new contract to do Conan. Physically it was close-politics by themselves never would have sustained the debate otherwise. Schwarzenegger looks great in some pics, in others there's an obvious lack of size and balance.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #60 on:** May 25, 2006, 08:32:17 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on May 25, 2006, 08:22:02 AM

Too simplistic-physically Schwarzenegger was nowhere near what he'd been, having rushed into it at the last minute mainly as a promotional vehicle for his new contract to do Conan. Physically it was close-politics by themselves never would have sustained the debate otherwise. Schwarzenegger looks great in some pics, in others there's an obvious lack of size and balance.

He wasn't competing against himself, he was competing against the others onstage, and as I much as I hate to say it, he dwarfed them

pumpster · « **Reply #61 on:** May 25, 2006, 09:50:08 AM »

He dwarfed them in height, but as always without hormones he was 200-210, and didn't have time to regain most of the weight that he had in previous contests = deficiencies that made it close.

Add to that the same favoritism Columbu benefitted from.

apollo99 · « **Reply #62 on:** May 27, 2006, 10:27:08 AM »

Frank Zane definitely.

Dan-O · « **Reply #63 on:** May 27, 2006, 10:41:12 AM »

Quote from: apollo99 on May 27, 2006, 10:27:08 AM

Frank Zane definitely.

That's pretty stupid. Zane won it 3 times in a row so it wasn't a fluke. And he did it by beating legends like Mentzer, Robby, Coe, Padilla, Szkalak, Roy Callender, Al Beckles et al. In other words, Zane "dominated" in an era when the rest of the field was a lot deeper and tougher than it is currently!

Let me guess, you weren't even born in 79 when Zane won his last Olympia?

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #64 on:** May 27, 2006, 10:59:30 AM »

Quote from: Dan-O on May 27, 2006, 10:41:12 AM

That's pretty stupid. Zane won it 3 times in a row so it wasn't a fluke. And he did it by beating legends like Mentzer, Robby, Coe, Padilla, Szkalak, Roy Callender, Al Beckles et al. In other words, Zane "dominated" in an era when the rest of the field was a lot deeper and tougher than it is currently!

Let me guess, you weren't even born in 79 when Zane won his last Olympia?

Frank Zane won by his sheer aestetics which literally crushed his competition and he was the master of the psycological warfare. He would pay to have billboards out around the arena welcoming him as Mr Olympia. Seeing that sign driving in to compete must have left them in awe. He also did the same thing as Arnold did by getting photographers to take numerous pictures of him on stage while ignoring everyone else.

Frank was the true Zen Master. Heck, he even beat Arnold one time. Its no fluke.

gracie bjj · « **Reply #65 on:** May 27, 2006, 11:00:16 AM »

my buddy saw zane back in 79 in cali and he said he couldnt believe the size of zane,he was used to hearing stories on how zane was small and this and that,my buddy swore that zane was alot bigger then he expected.zane may not have been the hugest guy back then but he was by no means small,plus his 3 mr o trophies ment he was doing something right

MisterGX · « **Reply #66 on:** May 27, 2006, 11:22:21 AM »

Quote from: ANAL DISCHARGE on May 24, 2006, 02:36:17 PM

Matt! Some of you young fellas just do not know class when you see it. Samir had one of the most complete physiques of all time. His balance and detail at his early 80s best is hard to fault. He fully deserved the 83 Olympia against top class opposition. Samir in shape next to those guys you mentioned (not Quinn and Christian) would be unbelievably unfair, laughable even, they would have been totally outclassed - Although a best ever Bannout would have taken Quinn and porbably Christian too.

He never got even close to his 83 showing thereafter but on that day he was a worthy champion.

'85 W.A.B.B.A Pro World he did.

gracie bjj · « **Reply #67 on:** May 27, 2006, 11:26:49 AM »

samir was very good,i remember him saying he always had trouble getting rid of that last bit of water aday or 2 before a show,the day he won the olympia he was dry as the desert though

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #68 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:26:58 PM »

Gentleman,
Samir had no balance or asthetics?

Here he is owning zane:

My vote too is for Franco 81.

Gyno, short biceps, no legs, ugly chest split (whoever praises that?)
Danny Padilla was the better short man.

LuciusFox · « **Reply #69 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:30:41 PM »

Quote from: gracie bjj on May 27, 2006, 11:00:16 AM

my buddy saw zane back in 79 in cali and he said he couldnt believe the size of zane,he was used to hearing stories on how zane was small and this and that,my buddy swore that zane was alot bigger then he expected.zane may not have been the hugest guy back then but he was by no means small,plus his 3 mr o trophies ment he was doing something right

More proof that bodybuilding is not about weight, but about illusion.

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #70 on:** May 27, 2006, 04:34:58 PM »

Quote from: gracie bjj on May 27, 2006, 11:00:16 AM

my buddy saw zane back in 79 in cali and he said he couldnt believe the size of zane,he was used to hearing stories on how zane was small and this and that,my buddy swore that zane was alot bigger then he expected.zane may not have been the hugest guy back then but he was by no means small,plus his 3 mr o trophies ment he was doing something right

Zane was good and he deserved his wins over Mentzer and crew, BUT you can thank politics and different carrer directions for keeping Oliva, Nubret, and Schwarzenegger out. Throw in Louie too.

MCWAY · « **Reply #71 on:** May 28, 2006, 02:41:53 AM »

As far as being "least dominant" is concerned, technically, you'd have to start with the one-timers, Dickerson and Bannout.

However, I wouldn't include Dickerson, simply because he never tried to win the O a second time. He was comtemplating retirement in the early 80s. The Olympia was the only title he hadn't won. When he finally got it in '82, he simply decided to take his ball and go home, as his career was complete.

Bigger Business · « **Reply #72 on:** May 28, 2006, 02:44:50 AM »

Franco was a mercy Mr. Olympia

Dan-O · « **Reply #73 on:** May 28, 2006, 06:37:49 AM »

Quote from: MCWAY on May 28, 2006, 02:41:53 AM

As far as being "least dominant" is concerned, technically, you'd have to start with the one-timers, Dickerson and Bannout.

However, I wouldn't include Dickerson, simply because he never tried to win the O a second time. He was comtemplating retirement in the early 80s. The Olympia was the only title he hadn't won. When he finally got it in '82, he simply decided to take his ball and go home, as his career was complete.

Chris did compete three more times after winning the '82 Olympia: The '84 Olympia (11th), the '90 Arnold Classic (8th) and the '94 Masters Olympia (4th).

MCWAY · « **Reply #74 on:** May 28, 2006, 08:36:21 AM »

Quote from: Dan-O on May 28, 2006, 06:37:49 AM

Chris did compete three more times after winning the '82 Olympia: The '84 Olympia (11th), the '90 Arnold Classic (8th) and the '94 Masters Olympia (4th).

I knew about the '90 ASC and the '94 Masters. I figured since he had the lifetime qualification for the Olympia, he simply entered those shows for old times' sake, just to see if he still had it. I did not know about the '84 Olympia.

From the interview articles I've read about Dickerson, he never wanted to establish a long reign at Mr. O. It was simply the one title he hadn't won. Incidentally, he was more upset about placing 2nd to Columbu in '81 than he was about placing 2nd to Schwarzenegger in '80. All people talk about it Mike Mentzer, who wouldn't have won, even if Arnold hadn't placed first.

After his runner-up spot in '81, Dickerson wanted to quit according to FLEX, but his mentor, Bill Pearl, convinced him to give it one more try. He did; and the rest is history.