Author Topic: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?  (Read 9339 times)

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While I don't care to see a pro guest pose, in horrible "off season" ie FAT shape, it amazes me how they can get so ripped come show time, aprox 16 weeks later. Plus, they seem to fade fairly quickly as well.
I have been in/around the sport for years and did lots of shows over the years. Granted, I am no pro but it takes me a lot longer to get ripped if I let myself go then what I see most pros need. On the other side, once I am in top shape, I can stay close to it for weeks, as long as my diet stays good.
How do they change so damn fast??????
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steroids [/stock response].

remember those photos of chick 5 weeks out from his show?  he looked terrible (for him).  then he got ripped in a little over a month.
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 Well Lee Priest is a good example of this question you are presenting to us, HOWIE...

 We all clearly seen with our own eyes that if you use hydroxycut and cell tech and nitro tech...you can do the same thing...added to you diet and weight training program.

 You just arent down with 'The Stack'. Lee ate donuts, and fried chicken but he just used muscletech products and badda bing badda BOOM...got ripped/shredded in no time with ease.
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steroids [/stock response].

remember those photos of chick 5 weeks out from his show?  he looked terrible (for him).  then he got ripped in a little over a month.

THAT is a perfect example of what I am asking? It has to be something besides just basic steroids ???
It amazes me how they can get ready so quick, but then just fade so quickly as well.
I know guys I could have beaten 360 days out of the year, but during the brief contest period, they looked awesome and would get me. I see so many that don't even look like themselves after show 6 mos later.
I am not saying a guy that RETIRES should look like he did when he competed, but the difference I notice BETWEEN shows.
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 It sucks dieting for a show!  But the greatest moment isnt on stage, its getting off that stage and eating till you puke!
I gained 7lbs in 3 hours after my comp.  Everything tasted so good.  Then i drove down to the local supermarket the next day and spent about £40 on everything i had wanted to eat when cutting.
That included eating 3 jars of gherkins in 2 days.  Dont ask me why ;D plus many boxes of pop tarts.  The cookies and cream flavour come with my seal of apporval.  Chocolate covered kellogs rice crispie squares, simply gorgeous!  
Can you tell im precontest? ;D

Anyway to round off my point, dieting sucks.  You diet for a show.  After the show why stay on the diet? why not indulge youreself?
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THAT is a perfect example of what I am asking? It has to be something besides just basic steroids ???
It amazes me how they can get ready so quick, but then just fade so quickly as well.
I know guys I could have beaten 360 days out of the year, but during the brief contest period, they looked awesome and would get me. I see so many that don't even look like themselves after show 6 mos later.
I am not saying a guy that RETIRES should look like he did when he competed, but the difference I notice BETWEEN shows.

well, when skip lacour's website was open to everyone for free for a couple weeks (about a year, two years ago), he had one of his contest preps on there, day by day (hell, hour by hour almost).

i remember him losing something like 20-25 lbs overnight the day before (with pics, so he wasn't bsing) the show.

of course he's natural, so it just kinda happened for him.
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THAT is a perfect example of what I am asking? It has to be something besides just basic steroids ???
It amazes me how they can get ready so quick, but then just fade so quickly as well.
I know guys I could have beaten 360 days out of the year, but during the brief contest period, they looked awesome and would get me. I see so many that don't even look like themselves after show 6 mos later.
I am not saying a guy that RETIRES should look like he did when he competed, but the difference I notice BETWEEN shows.

pros love eating - after a contest they EAT. It's what they do. Melvin wrote in MD that he gained 30 lbs like 2 days after the Olympia.


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Well Lee Priest is a good example of this question you are presenting to us, HOWIE...

 We all clearly seen with our own eyes that if you use hydroxycut and cell tech and nitro tech...you can do the same thing...added to you diet and weight training program.

 You just arent down with 'The Stack'. Lee ate donuts, and fried chicken but he just used muscletech products and badda bing badda BOOM...got ripped/shredded in no time with ease.

Hmmmmm,  ::) I don't think that muscletech may be the whole reason?????? ;)
Is it a mentle toughness , a combo of drugs with extreme diet or what??
I can't think of any other sport where a guy/gal can change so much , so quickly, both good or bad.
For example, Micheal Jordon on his BAD days is still a great player. Many of the bodybuilding pros could not win Mr Podunk in the deep off season. I am both amazed and rather puzzled about this...seriously ??? :-\
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pros love eating - after a contest they EAT. It's what they do. Melvin wrote in MD that he gained 30 lbs like 2 days after the Olympia.



I never got my body to change anything close to that in that kind of time frame. I know some do however and I am saying "wtf" ??? I mean it is one thing to pig out, but how do they gain and lose so quickly/???????
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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2006, 06:48:47 PM »
Take Jay Cutlers pics for example.  everyday theres a thread about him guestposing at a show.

Well guess what??  Thats not fat....Its mostly water.  Theres a gustavo thread about the same thing.  His gut is out and people think hes fat hahahaa.    These guys can rarly pinch an inch on the belly, even in the offseason.

Of course there are some damning pics of Ray And cormier but none of us are leaner than them in offseason.  ( excluding the ab-shooters, who cant gain mass)   :o

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2006, 07:16:33 PM »
The reason they do is because once they put the food back into the body, it shocks the systems and they actually build more muscle because of the process.  Once the post show pictures and the promo pictures are done, there's no need to stay in a catabolic state
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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2006, 07:17:20 PM »
you train right eat right (4 low carb day one high carb day for exp,,or 3 low 1 high)...you do all of this preparing, cutting down, getting ready for competition. you do it inorder to keep as much muscle as you can on you,,while knowing you wanna lose poundage inorder to get to a contest bodyfat%

you also CAN do the same thing for building your physiqe while using hormones; it wont get you over the 200-210 mark (5'9) unless you are eating TONS of clean calories and that's immposible. the protien is not enough!! you need a lot of calories inorder to get up in size. calories  integrated with bulking hormones.

the calories that will get you to the next level are what i call dirty calories. you MUST HAVE GOOD FOUNDATION! YOUR ARMS MUST BE ALREADY MESURING 17-18INCH,,,YOUR PECS SHOULD ALREADY BE THICK, FULL AND WIDE FROM YEARS OF TRAINING AND YOU SHOULD ALREADY HAVE A BEGGINING RATIO OF 190LB TO 30-32 INCH WAIST,,,INORDER TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND USE THOSE "DIRTY" CALORIES PROPERLY! DRUGS ALONE WILL NOT HELP HERE!! YOU MUST HAVE FOUNDATION AND A GOOD ONE THAT GOES WITH GOOD GENETICS.

and the above mentioned bring me to the in and out contest shape:

taking all of what i said above into consideration,,while we go and eat 2 foot long chiken parmigana subways and then 3 hour later chinease food and then 4 hour later polish sousage with chiken mixed with black beans and rice and then 4hour later some icecream mixed with 15 eggwhites....when we eat all of that.. we get the calories needed for the nandrolone and dianabol dose we take (gh and all of that good  stuff too at times)  to work properly and add muscle mass size. we will have watery more smooth physiqe BUT our bodyfat% will stay at 10-14% and wont move much due to already high enough muscle mass! the more lean muscle mass, the better your body will use those dirty calories.

when a guy with 150lb muscle mass doing it even if he has 190lb on his frame and is on hormones,,,the result will not be the same. the result will be getting higher bodyfat% and also increase water.

this is for the 21+ year old bodybuilder. (youth can eat whatever they want as long as they train correctly)
1. BUILD GOOD FOUNDATION BY TRAINING RIGHT AND EATING RIGHT.
2. TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF SIZE YOU NEED TO EAT. EVERYTHING IN SIGHT! THAT INCLUDES DIRTY CALORIES.

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2006, 07:22:44 PM »
Take Jay Cutlers pics for example.  everyday theres a thread about him guestposing at a show.

Well guess what??  Thats not fat....Its mostly water.  Theres a gustavo thread about the same thing.  His gut is out and people think hes fat hahahaa.    These guys can rarly pinch an inch on the belly, even in the offseason.

Of course there are some damning pics of Ray And cormier but none of us are leaner than them in offseason.  ( excluding the ab-shooters, who cant gain mass)   :o

May be true about the water retension, but how come I know plenty of Joe Blow types like me that never get water gains like that? Howard
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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2006, 07:33:22 PM »
May be true about the water retension, but how come I know plenty of Joe Blow types like me that never get water gains like that? Howard

See gh post above.   Have you built over 200lbs of sheer muscle??  Itll be used differently than a guy with 180lbs and 40%fat at 250lbs.   Prossesing of calories and storage is different.

I dont agree that it takes drugs to build a 20" arm tho....cuz i KNOW it doesnt.

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2006, 08:36:19 PM »
See gh post above.   Have you built over 200lbs of sheer muscle??  Itll be used differently than a guy with 180lbs and 40%fat at 250lbs.   Prossesing of calories and storage is different.

I dont agree that it takes drugs to build a 20" arm tho....cuz i KNOW it doesnt.

That made sense, but I think that 40% of fat at 250 hit a little too close to home for me ???Not sure if I wanted to read thathehe
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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2006, 08:46:39 PM »
That made sense, but I think that 40% of fat at 250 hit a little too close to home for me ???Not sure if I wanted to read thathehe

That wasnt meant for you, bro!!    Just an example of how guys get hung up on numbers. For instance my measurement s are border pro level in the pics forum.   But im a bag of shit right now and must pay the price for it.....leaning out.
Anyway you got the point huh?

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2006, 08:51:02 PM »
That wasnt meant for you, bro!!    Just an example of how guys get hung up on numbers. For instance my measurement s are border pro level in the pics forum.   But im a bag of shit right now and must pay the price for it.....leaning out.
Anyway you got the point huh?

I did....right in the belly ;D
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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2006, 09:01:18 PM »
I did....right in the belly ;D


Well, we all start somewhere.  I responded to you in my pic post.

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2006, 10:35:20 PM »
 It sucks dieting for a show!  But the greatest moment isnt on stage, its getting off that stage and eating till you puke!
I gained 7lbs in 3 hours after my comp.  Everything tasted so good.  Then i drove down to the local supermarket the next day and spent about £40 on everything i had wanted to eat when cutting.
That included eating 3 jars of gherkins in 2 days.  Dont ask me why ;D plus many boxes of pop tarts.  The cookies and cream flavour come with my seal of apporval.  Chocolate covered kellogs rice crispie squares, simply gorgeous!  
Can you tell im precontest? ;D

Anyway to round off my point, dieting sucks.  You diet for a show.  After the show why stay on the diet? why not indulge youreself?
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Yeah I get cravings for breakfast foods.
Haha the biggest craving i got though was for waffer nalla bannana pudding, tirumsu, and loads of rice krispy treats homemade peanut butter.

I ate 2 gallons of the pudding my family made me, a huge pan of tirmusu, and then had 3 Mc D's cheeseburgers, some nuggets,bowlof homemade spaghetti, plate meatballs, plate calamari, 1 box of strawberry pop tarts, 1 box of toaster struddles, A dozen Krispy Kreme glazed fruit filled donuts all flavors,2 apple fritters, some ice cream snickers bars, some ben and jerry'sice cream,all within 6 hours, I was going to pop open fo real.Oh yeah and a fuddruckers burger.

Next morning went to a breafast buffet, needless to say everyone was staring at me ::) Lets just say I wiped em out of 1 bottle of maple syrup, and a bottle of blueberry syrup.


Hey good idea is to write the stuff down you crave, lol, then I like to go to the store buy it all, then some, for later during the week. Spent $600 at wal mart and the tom thumb, they also looked at me weird there also

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2006, 10:43:52 PM »
at the pro level it's mostly water. they're bloated all to hell but don't have huge amounts of fat on them. even at their "fattest" you can still see clear separations between the quad muscles and such. exception for lee.

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2006, 10:49:05 PM »
It's also dangerous.
make no mistake when taking in all the extra sodium fat calories, etc etc sugar!!
The body works over time, you begin to sweat and get dizzy, plus the diuretics, play with fire.

But when you get to thinking about it after a contest you use food like a drug, and feel like crap but the euphoria of eating is great, then you gaze around and see people selfinduge everyday, and you realize everyone has addictions

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2006, 10:53:57 PM »
Is it a rebound effect from the diuretics used precontest?  Like the body goes berserk and holds water in a panic from getting so dry so fast?

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Re: How/why do the pros get in and then out of contest shape so quickly?
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2006, 11:02:17 PM »
Rebound yes.
Rebound to everything, at the time of binging out your body is really in a hospital state, fight or flight state.
You have deprived yourself of sugar, carbs and fat, and then you limited your water intake and flushed all kinds of nutrients away.
So unless you have been shitloading during your contest prep, or shitloaded to carb up for theshow, your in for some very rough pains, full body aches.
I'm actually surprised there has not been any bodybuilders that have died from this, kinda like when they over feed pow's and jews during wwII.
Also 60% of heart attack occur after the stroke victim has eaten a rather large meal, 2-4 hourse before heart attack, most occured at night
A small percent were contributed directly to buffets.

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2006, 11:18:37 PM »
Rebound yes.
Rebound to everything, at the time of binging out your body is really in a hospital state, fight or flight state.
You have deprived yourself of sugar, carbs and fat, and then you limited your water intake and flushed all kinds of nutrients away.
So unless you have been shitloading during your contest prep, or shitloaded to carb up for theshow, your in for some very rough pains, full body aches.
I'm actually surprised there has not been any bodybuilders that have died from this, kinda like when they over feed pow's and jews during wwII.
Also 60% of heart attack occur after the stroke victim has eaten a rather large meal, 2-4 hourse before heart attack, most occured at night
A small percent were contributed directly to buffets.

I don't think going in is done quickly, but getting out of shape is. You've worked hard, time to take a break. Eat up. Nothing wrong with that!