Why bother being with IFBB or PDI?

[kmhphoto]

The bodies of the PDI in the most part will be the type the majority of the people (not BB fans) will enjoy looking at and being around and someday having.

So the shows are not going to be geared towards bodybuilding fans?
More of a mens fitness type of thing?
Where do you think the current crop of PDI athletes will place? Jack, Vince etc.
Is Lee the favorite?

Of all the current crop of bodybuilders, which ones has the physique closest to the PDI ideal?
Will the judging criteria be published and available to download, if so, when?

[240 is Back]

Will the judging criteria be published and available to download, if so, when?

Prior to Sept 16

And you can always find the press releases at www.PDIradio.com

[kmhphoto]

Prior to Sept 16

And you can always find the press releases at www.PDIradio.com

I'd change the format of the press releases to .pdf
.Docs can contain macros which put a lot of people off downloading them.

[240 is Back]

I'd change the format of the press releases to .pdf
.Docs can contain macros which put a lot of people off downloading them.

good idea kev, thanks!  I will put them into the webpage via html once I get caught up. 

[bigdumbbell]

if some guys are owed dough from the orlando PDI promoter, dont you think he should cough up the bread with interest asap so we can all move on?  or is 12 grand a budget buster? and if so the PDI is already in trouble. 

[Bigger Business]

fyi......this thread isnt whether ifbb or pdi is better...but rather whether it's in the best interest of a bodybuilder wishing to earn a living in the industry to be affiliated with either

carry on

[Tre]

Yea it is funny that you pay a membership fee yet you get NOTHING for the money except the right to compete in a BB show they sanction in which you then pay another fee to the promoter to compete in the show you already paid the organization to compete in.  What a deal!

There are no longer any entry fees for IFBB pro competitors.  I don't know exactly when they went away, but it's been that way for several years now.

[Tre]

I still have never heard back from Chic or anyone on the number of IFBB pros there are.  I can understand why they would suppress the numbers.  It is very embarassing to see how many of the IFBB pro actually make any kind of money and I mean jst over $10,000 a year.  I bet less than 5%.  And I mean from competiton money.  Add in sponsorship money and it might go as high as 10%.  These numbers are nothing to get excited about.

For the sake of argument, there are ~200 IFBB pro men worldwide.  There are ~75 women bodybuilders, ~75 fitness athletes, and ~80 figure women.

[Tre]

fyi......this thread isnt whether ifbb or pdi is better...but rather whether it's in the best interest of a bodybuilder wishing to earn a living in the industry to be affiliated with either

carry on

Totally understood and it's a good thread idea.

I have to say, though, that a person can likely make money in either.  For all its faults, the IFBB has helped to create income opportunities for a LOT of people.  I have and always will give them credit for that.  For the athletes, it's a matter of knowing how to take advantage of that tremendous network. 

Unfortunately, though, most people know almost nothing about business.  For those born and raised in America, the reason is simple - they weren't taught it, because there's no one to teach it.  But over time, if they've been paying attention, they should've picked up some knowledge along the way. 

The same marketing network won't exist the first day the PDI opens, but there's no reason to believe they won't be able to develop the same in the years to come. 

[pushinweight]

Totally understood and it's a good thread idea.

I have to say, though, that a person can likely make money in either.  For all its faults, the IFBB has helped to create income opportunities for a LOT of people.  I have and always will give them credit for that.  For the athletes, it's a matter of knowing how to take advantage of that tremendous network. 

Unfortunately, though, most people know almost nothing about business.  For those born and raised in America, the reason is simple - they weren't taught it, because there's no one to teach it.  But over time, if they've been paying attention, they should've picked up some knowledge along the way. 

The same marketing network won't exist the first day the PDI opens, but there's no reason to believe they won't be able to develop the same in the years to come. 

How does the IFBB create income opportunities.  It was BB that created the IFBB.  Last time I checked the IFBB doesn't get anyone member jobs or sponsorships.  You can say they have provided venues for the BB to exhibit their bodies, but that's it.  Their was BB before the IFBB.  And the last time I checked the IFBB does not employ any of the competitors and pay them a yearly salary or even an hourly wage.

[onlyme]

How does the IFBB create income opportunities.  It was BB that created the IFBB.  Last time I checked the IFBB doesn't get anyone member jobs or sponsorships.  You can say they have provided venues for the BB to exhibit their bodies, but that's it.  Their was BB before the IFBB.  And the last time I checked the IFBB does not employ any of the competitors and pay them a yearly salary or even an hourly wage.

Exactly, the IFBB provides nothing to the members.  They don't even come to bat for their members who don't get paid their winnings or get bounced checks.  They sanction an event they should be 100% responsible for everything that goes on.  They have no Quality COntrol whatsoever.

[kmhphoto]

How does the IFBB create income opportunities.  It was BB that created the IFBB.  Last time I checked the IFBB doesn't get anyone member jobs or sponsorships.  You can say they have provided venues for the BB to exhibit their bodies, but that's it.  Their was BB before the IFBB.  And the last time I checked the IFBB does not employ any of the competitors and pay them a yearly salary or even an hourly wage.

For a start it sanctions shows which memners can then compete in. They can also make guest appearances at NPC in the US and IFBB shows worldwide - over 150 countries. Exposure in FLEX and other magazines can lead to endorsement contracts.
Nobody is saying bodybuilding wasn't around before the IFBB and I think you'll find that most federations don't emply athletes. 
THe disaprity between what the top guys and the lower placing huys make is a result of market forces and is even less than a sport like boxog. I've been to fights where the headliner was getting over $2 million and guys on the undercard were getting $1K.

[bigdumbbell]

For a start it sanctions shows which memners can then compete in. They can also make guest appearances at NPC in the US and IFBB shows worldwide - over 150 countries. Exposure in FLEX and other magazines can lead to endorsement contracts.
Nobody is saying bodybuilding wasn't around before the IFBB and I think you'll find that most federations don't emply athletes. 
THe disaprity between what the top guys and the lower placing huys make is a result of market forces and is even less than a sport like boxog. I've been to fights where the headliner was getting over $2 million and guys on the undercard were getting $1K.

i guess you think we dont get out much

[kmhphoto]

i guess you think we dont get out much

I know some do, Others lead very sheltered live

[onlyme]

For a start it sanctions shows which memners can then compete in. They can also make guest appearances at NPC in the US and IFBB shows worldwide - over 150 countries. Exposure in FLEX and other magazines can lead to endorsement contracts.
Nobody is saying bodybuilding wasn't around before the IFBB and I think you'll find that most federations don't emply athletes. 
THe disaprity between what the top guys and the lower placing huys make is a result of market forces and is even less than a sport like boxog. I've been to fights where the headliner was getting over $2 million and guys on the undercard were getting $1K.

But the IFBB does not do any of this themselves. The sanction shows so members can compete in but only a select number make money.  And the money does not come from the IFBB. And how many IFBB pros travel outside their immediate area except for US shows which are covered more.  I mean how many pros from the US compete in other shows outside the country except a few.  And actually the WWE employs their athletes and pays them very well.  A pro baseball, football and basketball player are employeed by their team which is a member of their repsected organization (MLB, NBA, NFL).  In addition, each of those organziations pay ot millions of dollars to each professional athlete from the profit sharing (sales of logo wear). 

And many amatuers have sponsors too.  Anyone can get a sponsor even if they have neevr won a show.  Its all how you market yourself.

[kmhphoto]

But the IFBB does not do any of this themselves. The sanction shows so members can compete in but only a select number make money.  And the money does not come from the IFBB. And how many IFBB pros travel outside their immediate area except for US shows which are covered more.  I mean how many pros from the US compete in other shows outside the country except a few.  And actually the WWE employs their athletes and pays them very well.  A pro baseball, football and basketball player are employeed by their team which is a member of their repsected organization (MLB, NBA, NFL).  In addition, each of those organziations pay ot millions of dollars to each professional athlete from the profit sharing (sales of logo wear). 

And many amatuers have sponsors too.  Anyone can get a sponsor even if they have neevr won a show.  Its all how you market yourself.

The top guys in any INDIVIDUAL sport will always make far more money than those who don't place so we'll. Look at boxing, golf, tennis etc.
The NBA can pay out huge amounts of money to players because they get even larger amounts of money from sponsors like Nike. When was the last time you saw Nike sponsor a bodybuilding show? Yet, they spend more money on afverstising than all the supplement companies put together but they won't touch bodybuilding.
Quite a few athletes have competed outside the US, but they can also make guest appearancies all over the world. They can do this because of the IFBB.

[onlyme]

The top guys in any INDIVIDUAL sport will always make far more money than those who don't place so we'll. Look at boxing, golf, tennis etc.
The NBA can pay out huge amounts of money to players because they get even larger amounts of money from sponsors like Nike. When was the last time you saw Nike sponsor a bodybuilding show? Yet, they spend more money on afverstising than all the supplement companies put together but they won't touch bodybuilding.
Quite a few athletes have competed outside the US, but they can also make guest appearancies all over the world. They can do this because of the IFBB.

You are exactly right.  The IFBB never went out to get large corporate sponsors for BB.  The reason was they wanted to stay in control.  The PDI will be solciting large corporate sponsors once the ball gets rolling.  They will be more marketable to the general public than IFBB pros.  And individual sports the champion doesn't always make the most.  Anna Kornikova never won an event yet she made $10 million a year almost every year.  And that is how it is with many pro athletes.  Its the ones who are marektable that command the most money.  Ronnie Coleman might be the reigning Mr. Olympia but he is also the one of the worst marketable guys there are in BB.  He is not marketable at all.  His body is not attractive to the majority of the public and he has absolutely no speaking skills whatsoever. 

I have dealt with many major companies in my life for sponsorships and other business.  I have a tremendous amount of contacts.  WHat I want to do with Wayne is use my contacts to get large corporate sponsors.  On paper back in 1987 or so I was promoting a high school armwrestling tournament for the entire country.  Very detailed but in short our finals were going to happen at Disneyland in CA. and Chevrolet was going to give brand new Corvettes to the winners.  We had all that on paper.  Weiders was another major sponsor at the time.  I am going for the big dogs on this and I am going to try to get a automobile company involved so that the overall winner at every PDI show in the US will get a car too.  DOn't quote me but that is defintiely something I am going to look into.  There are so many possiblities.  The IFBB has absolutely NO creativity.  Well I do and I am going to help Wayne get this going very good.  I am not getting paid at this time and I could care less if I make any cash.  It would be nice but  don't need it.  I am doing this cause I like doing it.  I am going to help as mch as possible to get every PDI pro some sponsors and endorsements.  I ain't promising a thing but I am going to try very hard.  And if I decide to do something I usually get it done.

[kmhphoto]

On paper back in 1987 or so I was promoting a high school armwrestling tournament for the entire country.  Very detailed but in short our finals were going to happen at Disneyland in CA. and Chevrolet was going to give brand new Corvettes to the winners.  We had all that on paper.  Weiders was another major sponsor at the time. 

 I ain't promising a thing but I am going to try very hard.  And if I decide to do something I usually get it done.

What happened with the arm tournament?

Respect to anyone who tries to raise sponsorsgip for th athletes. It's a tough job.

[NPCOK]

You can make good money off bodybuilding...without turning pro...or even if you turn pro..through personal training. I know quite a few good amatuers who make very good money doing personal training. Jerome Ferguson for example has a million dollar home is S Cal. and drives a H1 decked out with DVD's etc... He is a top amatuer, but never recieved a pro card. Hell I know people in Tulsa, Ok. That make nice 6 figure salaries personal training. You get out what your willing to put in.

[kmhphoto]

The IFBB never went out to get large corporate sponsors for BB.  The reason was they wanted to stay in control. 

Wayne told me that he'd tried to get interest from large corporations but they had absolutley no interest.
Corporate sponsorship does not equal losing control.

[onlyme]

What happened with the arm tournament?

Respect to anyone who tries to raise sponsorsgip for th athletes. It's a tough job.

We first did a SO. Cal contest.  Had 20 somethign high schools involved.  The IAC was sanctioning the event (the guys who di the movie Over The Top, I owned 33%) Weider was a major sponsor for this event.  The following year we had a nationwide  tournament planned with the country divided into 5 or six sections.  Regionals events would take place, then sectionals then the finals at Disneyland.  Chevrolet was not part of the first event.  Really only Weider and some smaller local companies.  But, for many months I was promoting and advertising what the winners were getting and everything else.  Well the day before the show which was held at the Redondo Beach Civic I had to go to Weiders in Woodland Hills I think and pickup the prizes he was donating.  Abouit $100,000 in equipment, supplements, clothing, and other stuff.  Allot fo stuff.  I had a really nice prize package for all the winners.  And in armwrestling you can have as many as 13 classes.  Anyway when I got to the warehouse with a big step van they should me the work order and it was cut in half.  I argued and everything but they said they hadno choice.  So they loaded up the truck.  I showed up wiht not enough stuff as I promised.  I did the show which was a sellout big time.  There were maybe 2000 high school kids in the place.  It was awesome.  But I had t tell everyone what happened with the prizes and allot of parents were pissed as were some of the kids.  Anyway, I got pissed and after the show I decided not to do the event with these guys.  And it just didn't happen cause I did most of the work putting everythign together and no one else knew anything.  I hooked up the Vettes, airfares, the location, rental car and a bunch of other shit. 

The one thing I am good at is raising money for others.  I am always asked to help get sponsors for so many events.  I like doing it. 

[kmhphoto]

The one thing I am good at is raising money for others.  I am always asked to help get sponsors for so many events.  I like doing it. 

Well I have a great event I'm trying to plan. It's to send a photographer on a round the world trup, first class, staying at the best hotels in each of 30 countries.
Get raising!!!!!!!!!

[RHINO290]

The top guys in any INDIVIDUAL sport will always make far more money than those who don't place so we'll. Look at boxing, golf, tennis etc.
The NBA can pay out huge amounts of money to players because they get even larger amounts of money from sponsors like Nike. When was the last time you saw Nike sponsor a bodybuilding show? Yet, they spend more money on afverstising than all the supplement companies put together but they won't touch bodybuilding.
Quite a few athletes have competed outside the US, but they can also make guest appearancies all over the world. They can do this because of the IFBB.

I am trying out with the cleveland cavs next week.

If that does not work....American Idol baby!

[kmhphoto]

If that does not work....American Idol baby!

I won British Idle

[RHINO290]

I won British Idle

Is that the show where you wear plaid skirts and dance around tapping your feet?

Man, I want to learn that......