PDI Vegas Show - Cancelled?

[kmhphoto]

Kevin don't pretend to know something you have no idea about.  Just sit back in your little home with your pot of coffee and read don't type anything.  Your input here embarrass you more and more.  You are a photogrpaher and thats it.  Please don't try to be something you never will be.  Take pictures, remember thats all you do.

$100 DNA test.  I think you really starting to believe you are smarter than you really are.  YOu truly need to take a reality pill and change the filters on your lenses.  They are fogging up your perspective in life.  I'm surprised you even knew he was a president.  I give you credit for at least looking that up.

I didn't take into consideration the dfierence in costs between the US and the UK but a quick search shows DNA tests to be around $300-500 in the US.
So what on earth did your "friend" spend $100,000 on?
You said she hoped to get close to $1million for it, yet a quick search on Google shows that that's a little optimisic by about 1000%
Are you really that gullible?

And why the reluctance to answer questions?
Oh, I forgot, you know nothing!

[lonewolf]

Why should any pro BB jump to the PDI? After all the IFBB has done for them. Why should they give up being treated like shit, given no consideration and be totally disregarded as a human being and be lead by a totally self serving pseudo athletes rep. Add to that the fact that every competitior at The NY Pro had to pay every bit of their own expenses. Where else would you find such royal treatment?

[RHINO290]

If their contracts arent going to be renewed, then it would make no difference anywaay...I think most guys know when they're going to be resigned...if they don't...they should be asking NOW, anyway....Robin would be up front and give the guys plenty of time to shop themselves around...

BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?

So are you saying that if an athlete is not resigned by ami, then it makes no difference. The inference there is that without an ami contract, you are worthless in the ifbb anyway, you then should go to PDI, or not, either way they make no difference?

[Palpatine Q]

If their contracts arent going to be renewed, then it would make no difference anywaay...I think most guys know when they're going to be resigned...if they don't...they should be asking NOW, anyway....Robin would be up front and give the guys plenty of time to shop themselves around...

BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?

  It's been demonstrated time and time again that onlyme is living in the past.

[kmhphoto]

  It's been demonstrated time and time again that onlyme is living in the past.

A distorted past at that.
He certainly fits the line "The older we get, the better we were"

[240 is Back]

Kevin, it's shelia. Mama fell...

[kmhphoto]

Kevin, it's shelia. Mama fell...

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[Chick]

So are you saying that if an athlete is not resigned by ami, then it makes no difference. The inference there is that without an ami contract, you are worthless in the ifbb anyway, you then should go to PDI, or not, either way they make no difference?

No, I'm replying to the notion that Keith made...that athletes are waiting till their contracts are up (Weider) to go over to the PDI...I'm saying that it would make no difference if that was their intention, whether they had a contract or not.

Also, MOST IFBB athletes are NOT Weider athletes, for the record....there are about a dozen.

[littleguns]

Also, MOST IFBB athletes are NOT Weider athletes, for the record....there are about a dozen.

So if they are not under contract i:e..no non-compete to enforce then they are free to go/do whatever they want...

But Bob as someone else asked....Let's use Lee Priest...he is doing the NOC but in the latest MD says he may do the Olympia as well. DO you think competing in the PDI will hurt his placing in the Olympia?

[Naked4Jesus]

If their contracts arent going to be renewed, then it would make no difference anywaay...I think most guys know when they're going to be resigned...if they don't...they should be asking NOW, anyway....Robin would be up front and give the guys plenty of time to shop themselves around...

BTW...when you mention Weider, you don't really believe Joe and Ben have anything to do with this stuff, do you?

That's a good point though I have to laugh, I'm sure onlyme was referring to the organization rather than the person but some guys truly believe that Weider's still pulling the strings and imposing his will.  Joe & Ben are probably too busy playing with their grandchildren.

[240 is Back]

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half baked reference

[kmhphoto]

half baked reference

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[Hedgehog]

That's a good point though I have to laugh, I'm sure onlyme was referring to the organization rather than the person but some guys truly believe that Weider's still pulling the strings and imposing his will.  Joe & Ben are probably too busy playing with their grandchildren.

When you read how Wayne DeMilia is getting "cleared" from responsibilities he had when he was vice president of the IFBB, it's usually references made to how he had to do what Ben and Joe told him to do, or he would be fired...


Personally, I think DeMilia personified the corruption of judging we see today.

I won't pass judgement on his new organisation yet though.

Lets give it a chance.

YIP
Zack

[dearth]

I didn't give my opinion on the matter...a question was asked, an answer was given.

Monster "can't comprehend what I read"...

of course Bob supports this (suspension of IFBB athletes),
as he essentially thinks of himself as the IFBB.

he is careful not to put his disdain for the PDI in words, which enable him to counter anyones
challenging his 'unbiased' representation of the athletes interests.

he does however air his true feelings with regards to the PDI on his radio show

[kmhphoto]

So is anyone planning on attending the show or competing?

Does anyone know which Las Vegas it is?

[ribonucleic]

of course Bob supports this (suspension of IFBB athletes),
as he essentially thinks of himself as the IFBB.

he is careful not to put his disdain for the PDI in words, which enable him to counter anyones
challenging his 'unbiased' representation of the athletes interests.

he does however air his true feelings with regards to the PDI on his radio show

I've tweaked Bob more than once on this board. So I think I'm immune from any accusations of teabagging-the-pro when I point out that you don't need to be an "IFBB stooge" (or however else you want to invalidate Bob's criticisms) to be dismissive of the PDI.

I state again for the record: I hope the PDI flourishes. I hope it teaches the IFBB a sorely needed lesson and proves a fount of riches for the builders. But until it puts more on the table than Wayne DeMilia's "credibility" and a free Yahoo e-mail address, you'll pardon my skepticism.

[240 is Back]

So is anyone planning on attending the show or competing?

Does anyone know which Las Vegas it is?

Kevin, have you emailed Wayne to ask him about the event?

I'm sure the information you'll glearn from message board strangers is way more accurate than say, from the man who is organizing the event.

Um...

[kmhphoto]

Kevin, have you emailed Wayne to ask him about the event?

I'm sure the information you'll glearn from message board strangers is way more accurate than say, from the man who is organizing the event.

Um...

I was hoping "Mouthpiece 1" or "Mouthpiece 2" could shed some light on it.
All Wayne ever says is

"All will be revealed in due time...."

Any news on when your first broadcast will be aired?
Would hate to miss it.

[240 is Back]

I was hoping "Mouthpiece 1" or "Mouthpiece 2" could shed some light on it.
All Wayne ever says is

"All will be revealed in due time...."

Any news on when your first broadcast will be aired?
Would hate to miss it.

Soooo- let me get this straight.

You already got the answer form the man running the event.  The PDI is not yet ready to announce this information.

Soooo- you hop on a message board, and ask others involved to reveal something that the man in charge will not?

Do you not see why it would be asinine to give you information, Kevin?  You wrote Wayne, he didn't give you intel you wanted for your IFBB daddies, so you bitch on the board, and ask those less involved for information.

Man, you're soulless, brother!

[onlyme]

I was hoping "Mouthpiece 1" or "Mouthpiece 2" could shed some light on it.
All Wayne ever says is

"All will be revealed in due time...."

Any news on when your first broadcast will be aired?
Would hate to miss it.

I think he only saysd that to you.  Cause he answers every question I ask him.  In fact in long length.  Could it just be you Kevin.  I mean you are just a photographer that really means nothing.  your kind is a dime a dozen.  So just maybe you aren't worthy fo Wayne's response.  Have you thought about that.  I mean really, come on you can do absolutely nothing positive or negative for the PDI so why waste time telling you anything. 

[onlyme]

I think I get a little mixed up when I mention Weiders cause I am so used to saying it.  I mean AMI contracts.  Plus, the atheltes who are under contract with major sponsors of IFBB shows have to be careful.  Certain companies that sponsor IFBB shows in a big way have to watch out.  Lee's sponsor (if I remember right) was a major sponsor of IFBB shows.  They paid a hefty amount to have booths at the big shows and banner display and logo placement.  But they felt they weren't getting back a good ROI so they decided to look at other avenues.  They more than likely will not be involved with the IFBB next year in anyway close to what they were n the past.  Now hoepfully PDI will prove to them that supporting them will be worth it.  It has already been told on here that the IFBB has made made certain issues be known that if you sponsor PDI you will no longer be able to sponsor IFBB shows.  So, this puts a stranglehold on the sponsored pros too. 

[LurkyLurker]

I think he only saysd that to you.  Cause he answers every question I ask him.  In fact in long length.  Could it just be you Kevin.  I mean you are just a photographer that really means nothing.  your kind is a dime a dozen.  So just maybe you aren't worthy fo Wayne's response.  Have you thought about that.  I mean really, come on you can do absolutely nothing positive or negative for the PDI so why waste time telling you anything. 

And yet wouldn't it make sense, from a business perspective, for Wayne to disseminate such info to a man in the bodybuilding media? I mean, what would be the point in holding back? Hillary Clinton has no love lost on Rupert Murdoch, but knows the power of the press. So she's courted him.

If you know detailed info, wouldn't Wayne WANT you to get it out to us, the ticket-buying fan base? Why all the secrecy? I've gotten more detailed info in my mailbox on upcoming local carnivals!

I know, why don't you keep all of your knowledge a secret until the day after the shows. That'll show us!

[ribonucleic]

And yet wouldn't it make sense, from a business perspective, for Wayne to disseminate such info to a man in the bodybuilding media?

Of course it would. No organization will ever withhold information about its activities unless it has something to hide.

Whether what Wayne is hiding in this case is disorganization, implosion, or something even worse, I suppose time will tell.

[240 is Back]

And yet wouldn't it make sense, from a business perspective, for Wayne to disseminate such info to a man in the bodybuilding media? I mean, what would be the point in holding back? Hillary Clinton has no love lost on Rupert Murdoch, but knows the power of the press. So she's courted him.

If you know detailed info, wouldn't Wayne WANT you to get it out to us, the ticket-buying fan base? Why all the secrecy? I've gotten more detailed info in my mailbox on upcoming local carnivals!

I know, why don't you keep all of your knowledge a secret until the day after the shows. That'll show us!

Problem is think about the health care.  Once wayne announced the info, everyone called the clinic and called for investigations and everything else.

Would anyone here put it past the IFBB to try to sabotage the show if they knew more details?  Calling in cancellations, attempting to secure resources they'll need that weekend, etc?  Hiring away staff/equipment?  Secret contracts?  Media rumors?  Maybe a big ifbb announcement that weekend just to steal a little pdi thunder?

The IFBB WILL lose millions if the PDI suceeds.  They WILL play dirty to ensure some snags pop up.  THe minute they know something, they'll post rumors and go after resources.  

And since the PDI is a private company, it's his call.  If you don't like this system, don't go, Kevin.  

Finally, anyone who tells me I'm crazy for thinking that these kinds of dirty tricks aren't played is a complete naive fool.  With millions of dollars to lose, people get VERY creative when trying to influence public perception of an event's outcome.  The IFBB is ALREADY starting rumors (Have you seen the title to this thread?) and it's only going to get worse.

[240 is Back]

Of course it would. No organization will ever withhold information about its activities unless it has something to hide.

Actually, with many events and product lines, the information is TIGHTLY held to ensure that competitors do not copy, improve upon the design, steal, or sabotage the offering BEFORE it hits the market. 

For instance, Gilette knows 2-3 years ahead of launch what its next razor will be- but they keep that info very tight.  The next Coca-Cola variant is already ready- but we won't hear about it until it's ready to hit shelves. 

Once the IFBB has details, they will start attacking every little aspect that they can.  You already see Horton, Chic, and the rest of the IFBB Toolshed saying things like 'there is no money' and 'las vegas is cancelled' when they have NO INFORMATION whatsoever about the situation.

Once they have that info, you'll see more and more dirty tricks.