Jason Grimsley caught with HGH by the feds.

[njflex]

I'm a huge yankee fan,giambi is one of my faves he walked in the winning run the other night,i was sitting at the game and their was a redsox fan next to me .after the walk i ran over and turned around showed him i was wearing a giambi shirt the guy freaked and said he's a juicer,roids.fake.i said get over it he said he does have a good batting eye though.giambi could be back on he is hitting homerun's that ricochet back on to field after hitting the upperdeck,like in 01-02....

[Mr. Intenseone]

Why is baseball such a popular sport? Where's the action??

There's plenty of action...but more so than that, it's a game of strategy. It's the best game ever played !

[Tre]

Illegal immigration is a huge issue. Soon New Mexico, southern California and Texas are going to be a majority Mexican. These people will then vote. They will elect their own leaders. They will enact laws effecting all including non-Mexicans. Many Mexican Americans real allegience is to Mexico and not the USA. There are many Mexican-American organizations who's stated goal is to reclaim the southwest for Mexico.

Let them have California and we can take Mexico in exchange. 

The only problem I have with immigrants is that they can get lower-interest mortgages than those of us who've had to work hard to build up creditworthiness...that and the fact that they reproduce too fast. 

[timfogarty]

Illegal immigrants can't vote... only citizens can do that.

and only 1 in 3 do

[Wombat]

is it just me or does all this baseball stuff seem like non-sense? I mean come on, doesn't the senate and house have more important things to convene on and discuss than baseball and steriods? We are at war, we have serious economic issues, gas prices, global warming, and Brad and angelina just had their baby......WTF?

They should legalize steriods, make those of us who wish to use them, go to doctors, then at least we know it will be admintered in a safer more stable fashion, the gov. could tax it, pharm companies could sell more and bill insurance companies more... I mean, tell me the downside?

Just venting...

baseball brought it on themselves.  Every other pro organization has phoney drug testing going on and baseball thought they were better then everyone....Imagine if pro basketball actually drug tested their players...I saw thing somewhere that stated that 80% of pro basketball players smoke weed   that is huge....And imagine how many pro football players would fail a drug test...Like these guys aren't using anything...just silly...Base ball f cked up and we are all gonna pay for it...pricks

[Wombat]

Yes, your right.  But major league baseball probably prohibits GH from being used in any fashion.  The stigma of GH needs to be dealt with and people need some education before getting all up in arms.  All that he should be charged with is possession of a substance without a Rx.  GH is completely different than steroids, but the public and the ignorant media likely does not know this.
Fact is with older athletes, they have falling GH levels and do not recooperate from exercise and injury as well.  Replacing their levels back to what they were when they were 20 may help a lot of older athletes continue playing.

GH is different then steroids?  How so...Older athletes also have a drop in test levels as they get older....I have never met anyone that has used "real" GH, young or old whos body didn't burn fat like a furnance...Now most people as they get older store more fat in their bodies..That alone can cause a decline in athletic ability...GH for sure counter acts the fat loss...Their is no debate about that...

This whole thing going on with baseball was because they f cked Canseco...Black balled him...Although the guy was getting hurt quite abit, he was still a home run machine and easily could have started on over half of all major league teams....When he got fu ked, he spoke out in a way the baseball didn't see coming...These Elitest f cked themselves by not protecting their players....

When I 17 year old kid in high school can make an educated guess that this player is gasest up an that player is...Are we really to believe when they say " we didn't realise what was going on" Just stupid

Congress probably couldn't believe how stupid they were...Now remember these are guys who take pay offs every month of the year...And Jose f cking Canseco has to blow it wide open....It just pathetic....He should have been taken care of and let him play until he couldn't any longer....

Unfortunately we are all gonna pay for it....But i don't blame Canseco one bit...He was fu ked and he spoke out...Maguire showed what a pussy he was the day...And Shilling lieing like nobody in baseball is gassed up anymore is just a joke....The funniest thing about this whole thing is Roger Clemans...No one talks about his hormone therapy...Like it doesn't exist...Yeah every 40 plus year old guy gets in the best shape of his life and seems to get better every year....But then again like Jose said.  Clemans is white

[bmacsys]

There's plenty of action...but more so than that, it's a game of strategy. It's the best game ever played !

An exciting baseball game- bottom of the ninth, tieing runs on base go ahead run at the plate one out seventh game of the series. No sport has that kind of drama except baseball. The reason is that the game does move SLOWLY. You see things develop. Drama builds. The other sports are too quick for this kind of action to develop. Closest thing but still far behind in football is maybe the two minute warning and taking your team in for a touchdown using sideline passes, clock management and time outs to come from behind to win a game.

[Flex 215]

Terrible example with Bonds, he was never a homerun hitter in his career until he started juicing. He sold his ability to run and field to hit homeruns.

       No, buddy, terrible example for you. Bonds never juiced until he got jealous of McGwire nd Sosa homerun chase in 1998. He had already hit 30 or more homers 8 times through 98, three times topping 40. And his last 6 years thru 98 were playing his home games in Candlestick Park, one of the worst for homers, yet he averaged over 38 hrs for those six years. He would still have well over 500 homers without ever starting first andro, then real gear, and later HGH in 1999. He might even have 600 homers were he still playing today, although without the drugs, he could well have been unable to still play.
   
       To say Bonds was not an all-time record breaking homerun hitter without the drugs could be valid.

       But to say Bonds was never a homerun hitter in his career until he started juicing, is one of the dumber statements in Getbig History, as well as proving you don't know Baseball.

      And no I am not a Giant's fan, trying to defend Bonds. I have been a Yankee fan since I was 5, and believe Giambi is clean. But I also know you could be right about him using GH again.

[I ETA PI]

How many times has Bond's hit over 50 home runs in a season?

The answer......1

One time.  People make it out like he got on the juice, and then turned into a home run monster, hitting 70 homers a season year in and year out. 
He had one big season, and after that, it was back to his "normal" home run out put....

[bmacsys]

If that's your concern, then your problem is with legal immigration, not illegal immigration.

Illegal immigrants can't vote... only citizens can do that.

Doesn't work that way. The illegals have children by the boatloads and they are American citizens. They can then vote when they come of age. These children of illegals can enroll in school and are entitled to welfare and social services. The illegals will be grandfathered in as US citizens soon with the amnesty that is soon to come.

[bmacsys]

Giambi is a good player and a good person - he admitted to using and cleaned up - he actually fessed up like a man and the fans respected that.

He was a bit shaky for a time but he has his rhythm back. Give the guy some credit

Jason was also the only guy in the Balco scandal or the investigation by the feds to actually come clean in public. that counts for something.

[bmacsys]

       No, buddy, terrible example for you. Bonds never juiced until he got jealous of McGwire nd Sosa homerun chase in 1998. He had already hit 30 or more homers 8 times through 98, three times topping 40. And his last 6 years thru 98 were playing his home games in Candlestick Park, one of the worst for homers, yet he averaged over 38 hrs for those six years. He would still have well over 500 homers without ever starting first andro, then real gear, and later HGH in 1999. He might even have 600 homers were he still playing today, although without the drugs, he could well have been unable to still play.
   
       To say Bonds was not an all-time record breaking homerun hitter without the drugs could be valid.

       But to say Bonds was never a homerun hitter in his career until he started juicing, is one of the dumber statements in Getbig History, as well as proving you don't know Baseball.

      And no I am not a Giant's fan, trying to defend Bonds. I have been a Yankee fan since I was 5, and believe Giambi is clean. But I also know you could be right about him using GH again.

Good post. Bonds was a real good 35 home run guy for years. Great left fielder, great baserunner, good for 40 or 50 steals a year before he bulked up and became a one dimensional slugger. I think Giambi is clean too. He is a good guy who really seemed to be effected by the Balco thing. He seemed very sorry. Unlike the rest of the guys who said they didn't know what they were taking like Bonds and Sheffield. Or suddenly couldn't speak english like Sosa. Or a total fraud like McGwire.

[njflex]

I like giambino a lot ,it is said he is great teamate.but p.r. can spin one way or other depending on how much you give them.giambi play's the nice guy and get's great press now.

[ieffinhatecardio]

       No, buddy, terrible example for you. Bonds never juiced until he got jealous of McGwire nd Sosa homerun chase in 1998. He had already hit 30 or more homers 8 times through 98, three times topping 40. And his last 6 years thru 98 were playing his home games in Candlestick Park, one of the worst for homers, yet he averaged over 38 hrs for those six years. He would still have well over 500 homers without ever starting first andro, then real gear, and later HGH in 1999. He might even have 600 homers were he still playing today, although without the drugs, he could well have been unable to still play.
   
       To say Bonds was not an all-time record breaking homerun hitter without the drugs could be valid.

       But to say Bonds was never a homerun hitter in his career until he started juicing, is one of the dumber statements in Getbig History, as well as proving you don't know Baseball.

      And no I am not a Giant's fan, trying to defend Bonds. I have been a Yankee fan since I was 5, and believe Giambi is clean. But I also know you could be right about him using GH again.

Fantastic, where shall I begin with you, first I'll ask you to remove your fist from your balloon knot because apparently the pain is affecting your thinking, also typing with one hand doesn't seem to be your cup of tea.

First off genius, how can you tell me in one sentence that I have no baseball knowledge and in another sentence say I could be right about Giambi being on HGH? Do you see the contradiction there Einstein?

Second, Bonds was a five tool player, perhaps one of the best that ever played the game. He also never weighed more than 190 lbs. before he started juicing. Hitting homeruns wasn't really his forte. You following so far Mr. Hawkings?

While Bonds certainly had very good (not great) homerun power he wasn't known as a homerun hitter, especially in his Pittsburgh days. You still following Mr. Sagan? He was prized for his all around skills but not solely for his homerun hitting. On the opposite side of that spectrum is your chum Giambi who is pretty much known only for hitting homeruns and his OBP. That's why when your buddy Giambi is off the sauce, he's essentially useless.

During Bonds career (pre-steroids) there were always bigger and better homerun hitters, he wasn't considered in the list of top homerun hitters. He didn't have to be, his game was so complete that homeruns were only a small part of it. He was as likely to steal a base as hit a homerun. You still following?

Candlestick Park was 328' in right field, Bonds is a left handed hitter. Perhaps your genius level intellect can tell me why it would be so difficult for a left handed hitter to hit 330' fly balls there?

Please allow me to recap, while Bonds was a good homerun hitter earlier in his career he was no where near being the best. He was never a Babe Ruth style player, meaning one dimensional. He decided he wanted to be Babe Ruth. Did you follow there genius?

I love how you say I made one of the stupidest statements in Getbig history yet you spouted off that Bonds might have hit 600 homeruns if he never juiced. To even intimate that he might have hit 600 homeruns in his career without being on the juice is patently absurd.  LOL

[timfogarty]

During Bonds career (pre-steroids)

steroids have been around for a long time.  MLB and the NCAA have only been testing for a short time.  prior to testing, don't you think pretty much every college athlete hoping to make the pros in their respective sport or every minor league player hoping to make the majors had used some dose of some sort of performance enhancing drug?

[ieffinhatecardio]

steroids have been around for a long time.  MLB and the NCAA have only been testing for a short time.  don't you think pretty much every college athlete hoping to make the pros in their respective sport or every minor league player hoping to make the majors had used some dose of some sort of performance enhancing drug?

Not in Bonds early days. During the late 90's and early 2000's yes, I think many used. Bonds was miniscule when he came up and during the early part of his career. I don't think college and minor league baseball players were aware of the benefits of steroids in the early 80's. Here are a few pictures of Bonds when he was with Pittsburgh and San Francisco and one present day picture.

[ieffinhatecardio]

Giambi in 1993, Giambi when he played for Oakland, Giambi in May 2005 during the time he couldn't catch up to an 88 MPH fastball, his reaction times were terrible and the fourth picture is April 23, 2006.

Notice the size of his forearms in 2005 while he couldn't hit anything.

[gtbro1]

LEGALIZE IT!!!!    (weed that is ..hehehe)

hahahaha  that makes too much sense...they would never do that.

[Flex 215]

I love how you say I made one of the stupidest statements in Getbig history yet you spouted off that Bonds might have hit 600 homeruns if he never juiced. To even intimate that he might have hit 600 homeruns in his career without being on the juice is patently absurd.  LOL

          Oh really. Bonds ended the 98 season with 411 homers. According to the book" Game of Shadows" , he started on first Andro, and then later some deca and test. And then on to HGH. So he hit 411 homeruns while clean, averaging over 38 his last 6 years being clean.
         So even if he retired before this season, and would have never started the drugs, he would have had to average 28 homers in these 7 seasons since 98 to just reach 600. This would have been 10 less than his last six years, so it would not have been absurd.

         It was not probable, but I said it was possible. He would have most likely hit about 100 those next 3 years even clean, barring major injury. Now he also would of declined, instead of becoming a homerun machine when he turned 37. I am sure Bonds would have at least 550 hrs, without ever touching a drug. He would have still had to workout though.

        Just because Bonds was a five tool player, does not mean he was not one of the best power hitters. Other than McGwire, Cecil Fielder and Brady Anderson were the only other players to hit 50 hrs in a season during Bond's career before 98, and Anderson's year was a fluke. Brady was probably on steroids. So Bonds hitting 30 or 40 some homers consistently was one of the best, especially then.

        You said he wasn't a homerun hitter until the drugs.   Just not true!   Sorry!

        Now, Bonds name was not the first to come to mind when you thought of pure power during the early to mid ninties, like it was from 2001 to 2004. One would have thought of Mcgwire, Conseco, Maybe Cecil Fielder of Fred Mcgriff. If that's what you meant when you said Bonds was not a homerun hitter, then you worded it wrong.

       I do apologize for saying you know nothing about baseball. But even though Candlestick had a short right field porch, the wind in that place was terrrible, and notorious for robbing many homers. Yet Bonds hit 46 his first season there.

       Actually, Fred McGriff is someome I feel sorry for. He retired with 493 homers, and will never get into the Hall of Fame. Without steriods, Palmiero, Sosa, and maybe also Mcgwire would have less than this total.

[bigdumbbell]

is it just me or does all this baseball stuff seem like non-sense? I mean come on, doesn't the senate and house have more important things to convene on and discuss than baseball and steriods? We are at war, we have serious economic issues, gas prices, global warming, and Brad and angelina just had their baby......WTF?

They should legalize steriods, make those of us who wish to use them, go to doctors, then at least we know it will be admintered in a safer more stable fashion, the gov. could tax it, pharm companies could sell more and bill insurance companies more... I mean, tell me the downside?

Just venting...

rhino, that's the first retarted post you've made

[Jujoshu]

Whatever Palmeiro was taking evidently wasn't doing much. He looked like a twig. As for Sosa-he sucked with or without steroids. He actually had the nerve to claim the reason he was skinny before stemmed from a bad tooth. Paraphrasing here but he said that as soon as he got his tooth fixed he was able to eat so much more that he blew up from 160 to 220 lbs. Riiiiiight Corky. You also weren't aware that you were playing with a corked bat.

As for Bonds-well he's just a cheater. Not that he is the only one but it's hard to respect someone who not only cheats but lies about it. I think the public would have much more respect for him if A.) He wasn't an egotistical jerk and B.) He was honest about his drug use. He would have hit a lot of homeruns regardless of his drug use but the facts of the matter are he still cheated. I really don't see how someone can expect others to be in awe of them when they know deep down they didn't break any record legitimately.

As for all this nonsense about how many homeruns Bonds hit per year...Hank Aaron never hit a lot of homeruns in one season either-at least compared to some of the numbers of this era. What signals all-time homerun success is 1.) Hitting a fair amount of homeruns consistently and 2.) not getting hurt over a long career

The good thing about the sport is that there are athletes still doing it the way of the old time greats. Hard work and sacrifice. In fact, the best player in the game today is clean. I know Albert Pujol's personal trainer and I honestly believe he's never touched a steroid in his life. It's a shame that he got injured this year or he may have broken Bond's homerun record* this year naturally. I do believe when it's all said and done tho he will be the all-time homerun leader.

[bmacsys]

steroids have been around for a long time.  MLB and the NCAA have only been testing for a short time.  prior to testing, don't you think pretty much every college athlete hoping to make the pros in their respective sport or every minor league player hoping to make the majors had used some dose of some sort of performance enhancing drug?

Definately not.

[bmacsys]

rhino, that's the first retarted post you've made

He is a pro bodybuilder. Of course he would be pro-steroid.

[bmacsys]

As for all this nonsense about how many homeruns Bonds hit per year...Hank Aaron never hit a lot of homeruns in one season either-at least compared to some of the numbers of this era. What signals all-time homerun success is 1.) Hitting a fair amount of homeruns consistently and 2.) not getting hurt over a long career

Henry Aaron played a long time, he averaged 158 - 160 games per year. He had a huge amount of at bats lifetime. Maybe only less than Pete Rose and hit 35 to 40 dingers every year. That was his recipe for success. A long career, durability and consistency.

[bmacsys]

We all should be talking about Palmiero. Something like 80 homeruns hist first 8 years then in his 9th season Canseco comes to Texas and Palmiero "magically" hits 45 taters.