Author Topic: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!  (Read 22572 times)

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2006, 02:42:13 PM »
Not really. Fact is, the numbers are great. That's why the asking price is high.

oh really, chairman roger altman, former united states secretary of treasury says the numbers suck.

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« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2006, 02:51:59 PM »
And after AMI totally devalued the products in two short years, old Uncle Joe Weider swoops in and picks them up for a song, thus making a huge profit from the sale and re-purchase of his franchise!

if he was 10 years younger, perhaps.

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2006, 03:04:39 PM »
And after AMI totally devalued the products in two short years, old Uncle Joe Weider swoops in and picks them up for a song, thus making a huge profit from the sale and re-purchase of his franchise!

Actually, as little as these magazines are worth now (does anyone still buy Flex and M&F anymore?), I'd think we could pass the hat here at GetBig and come up with enough to purchase them ourselves.  I'll chip in the first $5.00.   ;D

AMI didn't devalue the products. Not these anyway (the same couldn't be said of Men's Fitness and Shape). M&F and Flex still sell strongly (inspite of what the haters on this board think) and generate a ton of revenue.

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2006, 03:14:37 PM »
AMI didn't devalue the products. Not these anyway (the same couldn't be said of Men's Fitness and Shape). M&F and Flex still sell strongly (inspite of what the haters on this board think) and generate a ton of revenue.
shape has great numbers so does men's fitness.  the other two blow. stop telling lies.

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2006, 03:17:20 PM »
shape has great numbers so does men's fitness.  the other two blow. stop telling lies.

I'm not the one telling lies here.

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« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2006, 03:22:59 PM »
I read somewhere on here that what made a big difference was when the government put the regulations on advertising for supplements.  Did this happen right after the sale of the mags by Weider.  If so I wonder if he knew it was coming and wanted to dump the mags before taking the obvious loss in revenue heading his way for the mags.  If so shame on AMI for not doing the research or knowing what Weider knew.

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2006, 03:46:29 PM »
Flex and M&F are boutique ego booster magazines.  they'd worth be nothing without weider advertisements

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2006, 03:46:39 PM »
Horton's meal ticket just got punched.

He'll be calling DeMilia within the hour just to "catch up with an ol' buddy!"


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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2006, 03:48:39 PM »
I though David Pecker went bye-bye ? 

Man they lost alot of money in this deal

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2006, 03:51:22 PM »
Flex and M&F are boutique ego booster magazines.  they'd worth be nothing without weider advertisements

Let's all just agree that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2006, 03:52:57 PM »
Wow, wouldn't be odd if PDI interest bought the magazines?  Where would the IFBB be in two years then???
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« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2006, 03:53:39 PM »
Let's all just agree that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

i have a legacy MBA from harvard where's yours from?

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« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2006, 03:54:24 PM »
Wow, wouldn't be odd if PDI interest bought the magazines?  Where would the IFBB be in two years then???

Perhaps the IFBB Theme song should be that Celine Dion song from Titanic.

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« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2006, 04:01:08 PM »
i have a legacy MBA from harvard where's yours from?

Your degree doesn't matter. It doesn't give you insight or access to anything that goes on inside AMI, M&F or Flex.

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« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2006, 04:07:59 PM »
It has nothing to do with that. It is the habit of trying to pass off paid ads as editorial content. These magazines and supplement companies are in bed together. They deliberately try to blur the line between what is a legit article and what is just a infomercial type article with no intent but to hype a particular product.

Such BS tactics wont work in our magazines. In fact, if some punk will even try it I will _personally_ kick his fatty acid enriched behind...

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« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2006, 07:01:09 PM »

These [bodybuilding and fitness] magazines and supplement companies are in bed together.

Can you tell me how our (ie Blechman) magazines are in bed with supplement companies? Well, since I PERSONALLY write most of the supplement-related article for our flagship publication (ie MD), I can assure you that your assumption is clearly fallacious (unless we exclude Kennedy´s BS publications.. well, nobody take them seriously anyway :) ).

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« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2006, 07:28:08 PM »
(unless we exclude Kennedy´s BS publications.. well, nobody take them seriously anyway :) ).

I guess that makes you the Lee Harvey Oswald of the BBing mag racket.

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2006, 10:06:34 PM »

Well, Flex and M&F's and almost all magazine's circulation has been declining. That doesn't mean that the bottom line has. In fact, it will be interesting to see when a serious buyer comes up, if AMI wil release the figures on a per magazine basis or on the lot as a whole.

It will be interesting to see, and probably that Flex Magazine may be one of the more profitable of the bunch, that is has a core audience, and a steady stream of advertisers.  M&F's numbers are still strong too, and judging by the way the investers want some profit in the company, selling profitables parts of the company might do well.

The question arises what happens now that AMI has publically showed its intent to sell off the more hardcore bodybuilding parts of the Weider magazines (M&F and Flex vs. Mens Fitness and Shape), you need someone with an active interest who cares about the sport to continue. 

And if AMI does sell these, the big questions is once they are out of bodybuilding, who will be the promoter of the Olympia next year and where will it be. Unless, of course - the new buyers want to keep it.  And is the AMI deal with being the promoters of the Olympia included in the deal of selling the two magazines?

Never the less, will the Olympia this year be affected. I don't think so. The budget is done, the contracts are signed, and I still think that this year will be a great Olympia, and that many fans will attend, partly to see Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Dexter Jackson, Gunter Schlierkamp and others, and partly because it is fun and the expo is cool.

Of course I will be there, as will Isaac from Lift Studios, as will many others who do care about the sport, and want to come and have a great time.

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Re: AMI is REALLY selling Flex and Muscle & Fitness! No Joke!
« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2006, 10:46:08 PM »
I read somewhere on here that what made a big difference was when the government put the regulations on advertising for supplements.  Did this happen right after the sale of the mags by Weider.  If so I wonder if he knew it was coming and wanted to dump the mags before taking the obvious loss in revenue heading his way for the mags.  If so shame on AMI for not doing the research or knowing what Weider knew.

The vitamin and supplement regulation train has been chugging for well over a decade, but only in the last few years did it really gain any steam.

The negotiations were mainly secretive and well above our pay grade, but the mag sale was more than just a cash grab for the Weiders.  As I understand it, AMI came into the industry with more cash and collective newsstand exposure than had ever been seen in fitness/bodybuilding.  I don't know who first contacted whom, but as the story goes, AMI was expected to provide all the necessary PR support and to provide a great deal of the lobbying power necessary to keep the federal government for clamping extensive regulations on the supplement industry. 

The industry has held them off for years, but we have every reason to suspect that federal regulation will eventually become a way of life around here. 

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AMI: Pecker prospects are petering out!
« Reply #69 on: June 15, 2006, 09:13:30 AM »
PECKER PROSPECTS ARE PETERING OUT
By KEITH J. KELLY

June 15, 2006 -- By putting the muscle magazines on the block, embattled American Media CEO David Pecker gained some breathing room, but several industry insiders think his time atop the tabloid empire may be nearing an end.

In the wake of American Media's announcement yesterday that five titles - including Muscle & Fitness, Flex, Muscle & Fitness Hers, Country Weekly and Spanish-laguage title Mira - the far-flung publishing giant he was trying to assemble now looks like it will proceed with downsized aspirations.

"It looks like a major-league collapse of the Pecker empire," said one industry executive.

At the very least, the dream of a major expansion and eventually going public with an IPO appear to be over for the foreseeable future.

In fact, sources tell The Post, in recent months some board members from the Thomas H. Lee investment team have been so worried by the deteriorating financial picture at AMI that they had quietly been sounding out publishing executives to replace Pecker as CEO.

The board stopped short of a seeking an ouster, and now appears to be giving Pecker a final chance to right the listing ship.

It faces a crucial restatement of its earnings on June 28 covering an 18-month period that includes all of 2005 and the first two quarters of the current fiscal year.

Ousting Pecker would be costly. His contract extends to April 2008 and he is the largest individual stockholder, with 4.9 percent of the Class A voting stock and 52,726 shares of the nonvoting B stock.

If he is axed without cause, AMI must pay Pecker a $4.8 million one-time bonus plus $3 million for the last two years of his salary, according to SEC filings.

"David Pecker is leading AMI as its CEO. There is no change in his status," said a spokesman for Thomas H. Lee of the prospects for a CEO search.

Still the company faces a host of financial problems, and the shuttering of Celebrity Living and two other titles this spring were not enough to solve the company's woes.

Newsstand sales of the glossy Star, one of the vehicles tagged to power growth, have been slumping, at fewer than 700,000 copies a week.

A year ago it was selling more than 850,000 on newsstands.

Lost in all the commotion is the still unsigned contract of Editorial Director Bonnie Fuller, once hailed as a newsstand genius. Her three-year deal expires June 30.

The five magazines on the block, which are being peddled by J.P. Morgan and Bear Stearns, had revenue of $84 million and total operating profit of around $30 million in 2005.

The company hopes to fetch $300 million or 10 to 13 times earnings. That may be difficult.

"Other than the private-equity guys, I don't see a lot of conventional publishers doing it," said Mark Edmiston at investment bank AdMedia Partners.

The planned sale pleased holders of $550 million in junk bonds. Yesterday, the 101/2 percent bonds were trading at $93, up from $91, while the 8¨ percent bonds traded at $87.50, up from $85.

"Bondholders are pleased he is addressing the debt issue," said Ken Meehan, of Debtwire, which tracks highly leveraged companies.

"It seems pretty consistent that the proceeds will be used to de-leverage the company and improve its credit profile," said Meehan. He did not expect the funds to be reinvested in new projects.

keith.kelly@nypost.com


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Re: PECKER PROSPECTS ARE PETERING OUT
« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2006, 09:26:20 AM »
no wonder my messages got deleted overnight :)

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Re: PECKER PROSPECTS ARE PETERING OUT
« Reply #71 on: June 15, 2006, 09:33:50 AM »
Pecker's looking limp.

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Re: PECKER PROSPECTS ARE PETERING OUT
« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2006, 10:48:31 AM »

One humorous element is that all his supporters on GetBig seem to be pretty silent right now. 

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« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2006, 10:58:52 AM »
One humorous element is that all his supporters on GetBig seem to be pretty silent right now. 

Who were his supporters?

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Re: PECKER PROSPECTS ARE PETERING OUT
« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2006, 12:26:03 PM »
Who were his supporters?

You are!  This is your bread and butter (literally).  I thought you took pictures for these magazines.  Am I wrong in assuming that.  Pleae fill me in.  So you not support the magazines you supposedly sell pictures to and get checks from (however small). You are the biggest suckass on Getbig, everyone but you ses it.  Learn to blink a little, you'll see more clearly.