2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled

[jwb]

Just my opinion, but Lee might not be the only one suing, and he might have a backer in the PDI.. Hell, they may see it as fighting for ALL IFBB guys to have the right to compete in both.

I dunno what DeMilia's longterm intentions are... but... I do know that he is making it very clear that 1) The PDI is different from the IFBB- diff standards, etc, and 2) He says guys should be able to do both divisions and have as many shots at $ as possible.

maybe a monoploy is in the plans, who knows.  if so, I'll be building sites for the BGI (Big Guts, Inc.) athletes in a year or two

Wayne can't offer contracts and security so he offers "freedom"

Something which he can't really guarantee but which when it's denied he can say "It wasn't my fault..."

He is smart...

[240 is Back]

Not all guys in the IFBB want to compete in the PDI...actually, few have expressed interest, and word has it, the few who have are having second thoughts.

I must say, for the IFBB Athlete's Rep to say this publicly is very dangerous.  

You've just announced that Vince Taylor and Lee Priest are having second thoughts about joining the PDI.  Your use of the phrase "the few" implies plural, and since I believe the only two announced guys are Lee and Vince, they have to be your "few".

I hope you can back this up lol... very huge statement here!

[Chick]

I must say, for the IFBB Athlete's Rep to say this publicly is very dangerous. 

You've just announced that Vince Taylor and Lee Priest are having second thoughts about joining the PDI.  Your use of the phrase "the few" implies plural, and since I believe the only two announced guys are Lee and Vince, they have to be your "few".

I hope you can back this up lol... very huge statement here!

I don't believe I mentioned any names...you did.

Interpret it as you wish. I don't have to back up shit...

[240 is Back]

I don't believe I mentioned any names...you did.

Interpret it as you wish. I don't have to back up shit...

okay. thanks.

[jwb]

I must say, for the IFBB Athlete's Rep to say this publicly is very dangerous.  

You've just announced that Vince Taylor and Lee Priest are having second thoughts about joining the PDI.  Your use of the phrase "the few" implies plural, and since I believe the only two announced guys are Lee and Vince, they have to be your "few".

I hope you can back this up lol... very huge statement here!

Rob who cares if he can't back it up bro?

Bob can speculate as much as he wants same as us...

[Al-Gebra]

I don't have to back up shit...

yeah, we've noticed.

[Disgusted]

So your theory is that they can't be banned because the PDI is a company and the IFBB is a sports organisation?

Who knows...

I guess one thing from a court's point of view is whether the organisations are recognised by the government of the country where the suit would be heard (ie. the united states) as organisers of the said sport. Most sports have a government acknowledged body that runs them.

Is the IFBB even recognised by the US goverment or is the sport of bodybuilding even recognised by the US goverment?

As i've said before if the PDI wants to tow the "we're a company" line then they should be paying thses guys a monthly salary to perform a service for said company (ie. promote and compete in their show) with the prize money being performance bonuses.

I think the whole thing is very interesting...

Actually, It wasn't my theory but it did cross my mind. These guys pay a membership to belong to the IFBB. They are not salaried employees, but according to the IFBB they are not allowed to compete in ather bodybuiliing shows except the IFBB. So in essence they are keeping them from earning a living. Would it be legal for them to write in the provisions that they are not allowed to work or would it just depend on what type of job they had? You're right about this being an interesting affair. I don't think that it is a matter of win or lose for the IFBB. I don't think that they want to be in court in the first place. Jay Cutler threatined to sue and they immediately dropped his disqualification. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. It will be interesting.

[240 is Back]

Rob who cares if he can't back it up bro?

Bob can speculate as much as he wants same as us...

I'm not flaming... lol... but....

Bob is the IFBB Athlete's Rep.  I am not sure it's responsible to publicly "out" Lee and Vince (The only two IFBB guys- so it HAS to be them from his statement).  It was stated by fact, but a man with an IFBB title.  

I don't see speculation there.  I saw a statement of fact: "the few who have are having second thoughts".  

I'm not being a prick... but this is actually newsworthy in the PDi saga.  

[jwb]

I'm not flaming... lol... but....

Bob is the IFBB Athlete's Rep.  I am not sure it's responsible to publicly "out" Lee and Vince (The only two IFBB guys- so it HAS to be them from his statement).  It was stated by fact, but a man with an IFBB title.  

I don't see speculation there.  I saw a statement of fact: "the few who have are having second thoughts".  

I'm not being a prick... but this is actually newsworthy in the PDi saga.  

He said the "word" is they are having second thoughts.

He may have heard it from those guy's themselves, he may had heard it from the counter guy at Max Muscle.

Who knows.

I heard the "word" is that Tom Cruise sucks cock and his ex screwed a security guard at Sydney Fox studios when they were married but it doesn't mean I need or have to back it up just to say I heard the rumor...

[240 is Back]

He said the "word" is they are having second thoughts.

He may have heard it from those guy's themselves, he may had heard it from the counter guy at Max Muscle.

Who knows.

Fair enough.  I guess sometimes I fail to see where the line is drawn between starting unsubstantiated rumors "word on the street is...") about a competitor's employees in an attempt to undermine the reputation and hurt ticket sales, and just speculating on message boards.  I guess I have a lot to learn.

[jwb]

Fair enough.  I guess sometimes I fail to see where the line is drawn between starting unsubstantiated rumors "word on the street is...") about a competitor's employees in an attempt to undermine the reputation and hurt ticket sales, and just speculating on message boards.  I guess I have a lot to learn.

I'm not saying Bob should have said it or kept his mouth closed but that his judgement to make.

The foundation the PDI is built on is starting to look a little shaky though you have to admit and the reason is simple... $

Joe Weider had the means and was smart enough to know guys wouldn't/couldn't compete if they don't get some cash upfront towards their shows.

He did it through weider nutrition or weider publication contracts but they all stipulated that you had to compete during the term of that contract.

Classic example was 1994.

Weider had the masters mr olympia show to promote for the first time and only one really recognisable guy competing (Lou Ferrigno). They put out a search for Robby Robinson in eourope and when they found him asked if he wanted to compete in the contest.

Robby was nobodies fool by this stage and said sure but give me some prep money or piss off. Weider gave him some cash to get in shape and he did it.

Lee/Vince should have done the same with wayne...

[Hedgehog]

I'm not saying Bob should have said it or kept his mouth closed but that his judgement to make.

The foundation the PDI is built on is starting to look a little shaky though you have to admit and the reason is simple... $

Joe Weider had the means and was smart enough to know guys wouldn't/couldn't compete if they don't get some cash upfront towards their shows.

He did it through weider nutrition or weider publication contracts but they all stipulated that you had to compete during the term of that contract.

Classic example was 1994.

Weider had the masters mr olympia show to promote for the first time and only one really recognisable guy competing (Lou Ferrigno). They put out a search for Robby Robinson in eourope and when they found him asked if he wanted to compete in the contest.

Robby was nobodies fool by this stage and said sure but give me some prep money or piss off. Weider gave him some cash to get in shape and he did it.

Lee/Vince should have done the same with wayne...

Are you saying they're NOT getting paid to sign with PDI?

How did DeMilia get them to change then?

YIP
Zack`

[jwb]

Are you saying they're NOT getting paid to sign with PDI?

How did DeMilia get them to change then?

YIP
Zack`

Fast talking maybe?

[Tre]

IFBB is a Canadian nonprofit org.

Then why are annual IFBB dues paid in U.S. dollars? 

[Hedgehog]

Wayne WANTS Lee to have no choice but to rely on HIS show/s. This is the way wayne has operated for 30 years...

So Lee Priest is getting played by the PDI boys.

Who would've known..

YIP
Zack

[kmhphoto]

Then why are annual IFBB dues paid in U.S. dollars? 

To avoid problems with currency exchange rates.

[kmhphoto]

Fair enough.  I guess sometimes I fail to see where the line is drawn between starting unsubstantiated rumors "word on the street is...") about a competitor's employees in an attempt to undermine the reputation and hurt ticket sales, and just speculating on message boards.  I guess I have a lot to learn.

Aren't all rumors unsubstantiated?

[240 is Back]

Aren't all rumors unsubstantiated?

Dunno. 

Should a man with the title 'Athlete's Representative" be spreading them about the athletes he represents?

[RHINO290]

I don't believe I mentioned any names...you did.

Interpret it as you wish. I don't have to back up shit...

Chick, If you are going to make claims...you do have to back up shit.

You ambiguously stated that the few athletes that have expressed interest are having second thoughts.

I am sure thats what they are telling you, but my question to you is, why don't you have to back up shit?

Are we to just take what you say as gospel, when you question everyone yourself and tell everyone they have to back up what they say, and when you don't agree, they are idiots.

You, above all, should have to back up shit, especially with the statement you made. I would love to know who said that to you, and if you are not willing to reveral such things, then you should not make thosse statement.

believe me, I could make statments about you and others concerning things that you and others have said, but I don't because then I would have to back it up, thus brining people into it that I wish not to.

you do have to back up shit, or don't make statements. Do you really think, in the position you are, that athletes trust telling you anything?

[Chick]

Chick, If you are going to make claims...you do have to back up shit.

You ambiguously stated that the few athletes that have expressed interest are having second thoughts.

I am sure thats what they are telling you, but my question to you is, why don't you have to back up shit?

Are we to just take what you say as gospel, when you question everyone yourself and tell everyone they have to back up what they say, and when you don't agree, they are idiots.

You, above all, should have to back up shit, especially with the statement you made. I would love to know who said that to you, and if you are not willing to reveral such things, then you should not make thosse statement.

believe me, I could make statments about you and others concerning things that you and others have said, but I don't because then I would have to back it up, thus brining people into it that I wish not to.

you do have to back up shit, or don't make statements. Do you really think, in the position you are, that athletes trust telling you anything?

If I stated it as a fact, I would indeed back it up myself. I specifically said "WORD IS..."

Being that I DON'T breach any privacy between athletes/ business (believe me, I'm trusted with many peoples business affairs, etc)....I won't reveal my source(s).

My reputation is solid, and the athletes trust me to represent them knowing that I have THEIR best interests in mind.

Besides all that...whats the big deal? Of course Pro athletes will have 2nd thoughts...and 3rd and 4th. You are in a "no-lose" situation, Jack...they arent. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[RHINO290]

If I stated it as a fact, I would indeed back it up myself. I specifically said "WORD IS..."

Being that I DON'T breach any privacy between athletes/ business (believe me, I'm trusted with many peoples business affairs, etc)....I won't reveal my source(s).

My reputation is solid, and the athletes trust me to represent them knowing that I have THEIR best interests in mind.

Besides all that...whats the big deal? Of course Pro athletes will have 2nd thoughts...and 3rd and 4th. You are in a "no-lose" situation, Jack...they arent. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Everyhting you say is true. You know what I am saying, and I have always admired what you say. I think that there is alot of he said, she said. People saying things to you, me and others(you know who I mean). I think it's obvious, those who are doing well with the ifbb are going to be loyal there, and visa versa. My problem is that I think there is enough for everyone, competition is good for the industry, you know this is true. I refuse to hate on people just because they are "with the ifbb" or whatever. I have spoken to many pros who are happy for me, as you say my situation is different, you are right, I guess I am being unrealistic..Like, I would love to have gone to the master shaow and cheered you on, as I think you are a great bodybuilder, and think it would be great to have my ifbb freinds cheer me on, problem is.. thats not gonna happen.

Shit, I think you would be a good fit for the PDI. I know you are doing well where you are, and again I want to stress I am a fan of yours, I don't care ifbb, PDI whatever.

Stay cool bro.

[Tre]

Mmm, I'd argue that anyone outside the top 10-15 or so - which means we're talking about the vast majority of currently registered IFBB pros - is also in a no-lose situation.  The only real difference between them and Rhino is that they hold IFBB pro cards and he does not...none of them ever has a chance of placing in the money at an IFBB event and most are pretty unknown, so it's not like they're being used to help sell anyone's products. 

The rank-and-file pro bodybuilders go about the business of working as lineup fillers and almost all of them give a solid effort in preparing for events *just* for the privilege on being on stage against some of the best in the world.  For many, it isn't the money, it's the prestige.  They've worked hard to achieve something that few other men in history have done - earning an IFBB pro card - and they don't attach the same level of prestige to the upstart PDI...nor should they. 

Change is a slow and gradual thing, until money starts changing hands.  If PDI pays out $150,000 in cash to a group of athletes this fall, then by next year, I'm sure that several more of the IFBB guys will begin thinking about giving the PDI a try.  For the time being, though, the PDI has no history of success for people to use in evaluating their options.  Those men absolutely SHOULD be taking a wait-and-see approach...as should almost all of us in fan-land, too. 

[Chick]

Lets not forget,Tre, that at one time Ronnie Coleman was a "line-up filler" as you put it....

Guys out of the top 10-15 are trying to get there, as any athlete is in their respective sport....there are also plenty of non-top10 guys that have very good contracts as spokesman for supp. companies...there is also tradition and history that they (athletes) are following and trying to make their own name in the IFBB.

[jwb]

Those men absolutely SHOULD be taking a wait-and-see approach...as should almost all of us in fan-land, too. 

This is exactly why the PDI will have trouble staying around. Fans and bodybuilders will take the wait and see approach but wayne hasn't got the resources to keep losing money without initial large scale support from both athletes and fans.

same as his "promoters" they won't be putting onshows for very long without some bigger names to sell them...

[ribonucleic]

Lets not forget,Tre, that at one time Ronnie Coleman was a "line-up filler" as you put it....

The only reason you expect the name "Ronnie Coleman" to be an argument-stopper here is because he's Mr. Olympia - that is to say, a first-place finisher [however questionably] against the world's best competition. But unless the IFBB goes out of business altogether - and I don't think even Wayne has his sights set that high - the world's best competition is something that PDI will never be able to offer. Which means that the most ambitious pros won't compete there, and you end up with a self-reinforcing cycle.