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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2006, 08:01:19 AM »
For those who think that illegal immigrants only bring problems to the economy, ponder this:

I'm a son of TWO former illegal immigrants. My job now? I serve in the United States Marine Corps. I defend the right for every person in the United states to sit behind their computer and post moronic, ignorant comments on get big. There are several other Marines who I serve with that their parents are/were illegal immigrants. Both my Father and Mother got their green cards and eventually became naturalized citizens of the United States. My Mother worked as a Nurse for 16 years, at a boarding care home who specialized in taking care of vets from WW II and vietnam. So before you start to bash illegal immigrants, keep in mind that not all of them are on welfare or looking for a handout. Many of them are hard workers and just looking for an opportunity to succed and thrive in the American dream

You're a Marine and that's fantastic. Way to give back to your country by serving her.

However... illegal immigrants are a slap in the face to every single immigrant that does it right and plays by the rules. Your parents may be good people and work hard but it doesn't make what they did right- it just makes a whole lot of people wrong.


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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2006, 12:08:22 PM »
we moved here in 92..after spending a total closing 200k in lawyer costs for a business visa.

guess we shoulda just gotton  a tourist visa and disappeared...  :-\
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2006, 12:23:54 PM »
My family spent thousands and waited years to come to the United States. After living here for 11 years and paying taxes we were finally sworn in as citizens. It was one of the greatest days in my life.

Is it fair that some Mexican border hops and is granted amnesty? Is it fair that a large parcentage of people that are on public housing and welfare are illegal hispanics?

You can make the arguement that they contribute a lot to this country, but so do immigrants that came here the legal way, so that's a totally bogus arguement.

I also love how the hispanics are trying to tie in the illegal immigration issue with immigration in general. lol
And the pro-illegal immigration rallies they hold are stupid as well, wow, no better way to show that you love America by waving a Mexican flag.

Why is it so fucking difficult to understand? These people are breaking the fucking law, it's very simple. I'm also tired of these assholes refusing to learn english and tired of them needing special accomodations. Every other minority that comes here learns english, so why can't hispanics?

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2006, 02:44:28 PM »
My family spent thousands and waited years to come to the United States. After living here for 11 years and paying taxes we were finally sworn in as citizens. It was one of the greatest days in my life.

Is it fair that some Mexican border hops and is granted amnesty? Is it fair that a large parcentage of people that are on public housing and welfare are illegal hispanics?

You can make the arguement that they contribute a lot to this country, but so do immigrants that came here the legal way, so that's a totally bogus arguement.

I also love how the hispanics are trying to tie in the illegal immigration issue with immigration in general. lol
And the pro-illegal immigration rallies they hold are stupid as well, wow, no better way to show that you love America by waving a Mexican flag.

Why is it so fucking difficult to understand? These people are breaking the fucking law, it's very simple. I'm also tired of these assholes refusing to learn english and tired of them needing special accomodations. Every other minority that comes here learns english, so why can't hispanics?

Very simple they are changing things and won't be a minority much longer.  Anglo-americans are scared they won't be the majority any longer.  So what happens when the hispanics (spanish speaking people) become the majority in the southwestern states? Spanish will be the most spoken language.  There is no official language in the United States but of course english is the most spoken but not much longer in the southwestern states.   So learn spanish because hispanics are taking over!

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2006, 02:55:48 PM »
of the estimated 12 million illegal aliens in the US, only about 20% are from Mexico.   Many are not even from 3rd world countries.  Many are from Europe, Australia, and even Canada.

Does anyone seriously give a fucck if we have illegal Canadians here?  ::)

Canada may as well be part of the US anyway.
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2006, 06:28:24 PM »
For those who think that illegal immigrants only bring problems to the economy, ponder this:

I'm a son of TWO former illegal immigrants. My job now? I serve in the United States Marine Corps. I defend the right for every person in the United states to sit behind their computer and post moronic, ignorant comments on get big. There are several other Marines who I serve with that their parents are/were illegal immigrants. Both my Father and Mother got their green cards and eventually became naturalized citizens of the United States. My Mother worked as a Nurse for 16 years, at a boarding care home who specialized in taking care of vets from WW II and vietnam. So before you start to bash illegal immigrants, keep in mind that not all of them are on welfare or looking for a handout. Many of them are hard workers and just looking for an opportunity to succed and thrive in the American dream

I think that is one of the biggest misconceptions about illegal immigrants. They are "draining" the system. I can't say I've known ONE Illegal, who is doing so. Not one. All the people I have known to "drain" the system were citizens. Born here. Lazy good ole USA scumbags.


Thing about immigrants....

we love to eat their foods....

We love them to mow our lawns...

We love them to wash our cars.....

We love them to take care of our kids.....

We love them to clean our houses........

etcetera..........

but when it comes to them getting basic human rights, they deserve nothing. We have no love for them. ::)

I personally can't blame ANYONE for wanting a better life. It is human nature. If ti sucks where you live, you move. That's how it works. Yes, they came here illegally. But if that was such an issue, why not take better care of our borders in the first place?

You can't leave the door open and expect peoiple not to try and make their way in.
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2006, 06:46:24 PM »
Does anyone seriously give a fucck if we have illegal Canadians here?  ::)

Canada may as well be part of the US anyway.

lol, yeah and they speak english too!

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2006, 07:28:49 PM »
lol, yeah and they speak english too!

Just out of reach for some of us though  :-X



















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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2006, 07:43:03 PM »
Just out of reach for some of us though  :-X
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it's about $500 bucks to fly up there.  only takes 2.5 hours too

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2006, 08:23:42 PM »
Very simple they are changing things and won't be a minority much longer.  Anglo-americans are scared they won't be the majority any longer.  So what happens when the hispanics (spanish speaking people) become the majority in the southwestern states? Spanish will be the most spoken language.  There is no official language in the United States but of course english is the most spoken but not much longer in the southwestern states.   So learn spanish because hispanics are taking over!

So what? Without the Anglos what do you have? You have Mexico again. Mexicans are back where they started. Back to the place you tried to escape. It comes full circle. We wont let it get to that point though. Mexicans are our tools. They have no real power.
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2006, 10:21:47 PM »
This will shock you, but it's a fact: An estimated 25-30% of all prisoners in the US are illegal immigrants.  Do you understand what that means?  Americans are being taxed to fund the cost of housing, feeding, entertaining, and guarding one in four prisoners who don't even belong in this country.
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2006, 10:24:49 PM »
We obviously cant deport 15 million people. But they should NEVER be made citizen (unless they agree to serve in the armed forces for a period).  NEVER.  They have lost that right the minute they sneaked, cheated, or lied their way into this country.  And, as is now the law in a town in Penn, they should not be given any health care or other social services on the governments tab. 
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2006, 10:26:24 PM »
We should just make Mexico a state.

It already is a state........doesn't California sound alot like Mexico :-\??

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2006, 01:57:05 AM »
Your mom's trailer perhaps?

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2006, 06:50:56 AM »
there worse for the economy they take all there money they make and spend it back in mexico

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2006, 06:54:01 AM »

I personally can't blame ANYONE for wanting a better life. It is human nature. If ti sucks where you live, you move. That's how it works. Yes, they came here illegally. But if that was such an issue, why not take better care of our borders in the first place?

You can't leave the door open and expect peoiple not to try and make their way in.

So, let's close the fuckin door by building something similar to the Magino line or Hitler's Atlantic Wall.
We'll have massive gun batteries and Apache helicopters firing rockets at border hoppers.
It's just not the borders that have to be protected. Many illegals come in through the airports as well.

gordiano, no one is saying that you can't come to America for a better life. The whole point is that they're breaking the law, plain and simple. And I dunno how you can make the arguement that they're vital to our economy, immigrants in general will work for little money and very long hours. I know several immigrants that came here legally and they work 60-70 hours a week without overtime pay, they are Mexican, African, Asian and I've got nothing but respect and love for them. They are living the American Dream. But I can't support people that break the law and just march in across the border with no respect for a country's laws.

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2006, 07:06:39 AM »
Will we still be the Country of choice and still be America if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in America because it is the Country of Choice??????
Think about it .

All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.
This says it all!

 

This is an editorial written by an
American citizen, published in a
Tampa newspaper He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS,
NOT AMERICANS,
MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11,
we have experienced a surge
in patriotism by the majority
of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had
barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about
the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there
are a few things that those
who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a
multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we
have our own culture, our
own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.
Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.
It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as
your new home, because God is part
of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or
you don't like Uncle Sam, then you
should seriously consider a move
to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have
no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where
you came from. This is
OUR COUNTRY,
our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the
right to express his opinion and we
will allow you every opportunity to do so!
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag,
our pledge, our national motto, or our
way of life, I highly encourage you to
take advantage of one other great American freedom,
THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!!
It is Time for America to Speak up
If you agree -- pass this along;
if you don't agree -- delete it!

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2006, 10:29:58 AM »
Sweeet!

I'll be passing that along.  :)


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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2006, 11:31:25 AM »
sugarbear, your arguements are highly flawed. Most of the people against the pledge of alligence and "in god we trust" are white American atheists, not immigrants. I don't give a fuck about "merry christmas" or "god bless america" and I was one of the few kids in my NYC highschool class that knew the pledge by heart over other black and hispanic kids.
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2006, 01:02:23 PM »
sugarbear, your arguements are highly flawed. Most of the people against the pledge of alligence and "in god we trust" are white American atheists, not immigrants. I don't give a f**k about "merry christmas" or "god bless america" and I was one of the few kids in my NYC highschool class that knew the pledge by heart over other black and hispanic kids.



Exactly! He's taking about two completely different issues, and mixing them as though they were one. I agree with him on the first part of his argument, that immigrants need to assimilate and adopt our language and cultural norms, and that we should reject "multiculturalism". 

He completely goes off the reservation with the second part, though. I am not religious, and do not believe in a god, and I'm a white American whose family has been here for over half a dozen generations. Our country was NOT founded on the Christian religion, it was in fact founded as a secular nation (see the first amendment). All the "God" mottos, pledges, etc were added in the 1950's as a reaction to the "Communist scare".
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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2006, 12:47:47 AM »
there worse for the economy they take all there money they make and spend it back in mexico

Okay smart guy, With that same money they buy products from the U.S.  So how is that worse for the economy.  Mexico is the biggest buyer of American products next to Japan.  Mexico is as much of a need to the U.S. as the U.S. is to Mexico. 
It already is a state........doesn't California sound alot like Mexico :-\??
California is called Aztlan  ;)

So what? Without the Anglos what do you have? You have Mexico again. Mexicans are back where they started. Back to the place you tried to escape. It comes full circle. We wont let it get to that point though. Mexicans are our tools. They have no real power.

Nobody is escaping from Mexico you fool this isn't Cuba.  These people that cross the border illegally are most of the poorer people that want to make better living because there isn't a big opportunity for them in the small towns where they live in the outskirts of the big cities.  In fact most of them don't even know the capital of there own state. 

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2006, 06:56:22 AM »
Okay smart guy, With that same money they buy products from the U.S.  So how is that worse for the economy.  Mexico is the biggest buyer of American products next to Japan.  Mexico is as much of a need to the U.S. as the U.S. is to Mexico.  California is called Aztlan  ;)

Nobody is escaping from Mexico you fool this isn't Cuba.  These people that cross the border illegally are most of the poorer people that want to make better living because there isn't a big opportunity for them in the small towns where they live in the outskirts of the big cities.  In fact most of them don't even know the capital of there own state. 

that's right i'm smart guy and your wrong guy and why don't you tell me why the mexicans are always talking about boycotting american product's ? and another thing the money they make isn't getting spent in california they take it across the border and it's gets spent over in t.j. where most of them live
which is my case they take money away.

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2006, 01:47:15 PM »
If all the illegal mexicans ever have to go back, I hope we can keep the hot chickas.. Use them as slaves or something..

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2006, 02:25:26 PM »
that's right i'm smart guy and your wrong guy and why don't you tell me why the mexicans are always talking about boycotting american product's ? and another thing the money they make isn't getting spent in california they take it across the border and it's gets spent over in t.j. where most of them live
which is my case they take money away.

Okay now, you are just acting stupid! You are making moronic statements! See it's people like you that make everyone that actually have sound arguments and are against illegal mexican immigration look and sound bad. 

Do I really need to explain this?  Mexicans talked about boycotting american products so that ignorant people in the U.S. realize how much mexicans consume and to show how much of an economic power they are, this is obious.  As for your Tijuana comment.  That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  Tijuana has a population of 1.5 million (300k of that population being from many other immigrants from other countries most notably China, U.S. and middle eastern countries) American companies have a lot of businesses set up in Tijuana.  The population of Mexico is 107 million.  So how does everyone live in Tijuana?  ???  You've probably never been to Mexico have you?  I don't consider border cities real mexican cities.  Most border cities are very ugly and cause a bad impression on united state citizens because for some reason they think this is what Mexico is about which is very ignorant to think.   

Just look at the world factbook or many other sites about who importers and exporters are.  There you will see who the United States import and export partners are.  Also look at mexico's import and export partners.  Look at the facts and figures.  Mexico buys from the U.S. with the same money that people living and working in the U.S. send home.  Also, look at the Mexico's GDP which just entered the trillion dollar class.  Mexico is not a poor country just doesn't have enough opportunity for the outlying towns and indigenous minorities that live away from the big metropolisis cities that's why it's considered a developing country because of those outlying towns and small cities.  So, in effect these are the people that try to pursue a better life in the U.S.just like in all countries.

Educated people that know how the world operates know this, only the ignorant do not.  Also, the only people against illegal mexican immigration are the losers.  Any smart semi-wealthy business person appreciates the job that low wage immigrant workers provide.   

Before saying I'm wrong and posting moronic posts do your homework and don't base things on what you hear from ignorant people who base their supposed facts on their personal hatred towards these immigrant groups that all they do is make the U.S. country a better place.   :)

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Re: Let the illegal immigrants stay...
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2006, 04:52:51 PM »
Okay smart guy, With that same money they buy products from the U.S.  So how is that worse for the economy.  Mexico is the biggest buyer of American products next to Japan.  Mexico is as much of a need to the U.S. as the U.S. is to Mexico.  California is called Aztlan  ;)

Nobody is escaping from Mexico you fool this isn't Cuba.  These people that cross the border illegally are most of the poorer people that want to make better living because there isn't a big opportunity for them in the small towns where they live in the outskirts of the big cities.  In fact most of them don't even know the capital of there own state. 

Spoken like a good descendant of third-world tools.
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