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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #175 on: June 24, 2006, 12:40:09 PM »
After reading Gamma-O’s post regarding me not living up to my end of the deal.  I need to let everyone know this is simply not the truth and that I gave them all we previously agreed on.  The problem began when Gamma-O stopped paying their bills and their ads were pulled based on a credit decision.  As far as returned calls go, I was so disgusted with the unprofessional manner in which they handled the whole situation with Chris Cook, that I had no desire to speak with anyone at Gamma-O.

Not surprised.....

Glad I never invested in selling Gamma-O.  I'll stick with Bee Pollen & Cayenne Pepper.  At least they actually do something
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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #176 on: June 24, 2006, 12:51:54 PM »
Classic non-rebuttal from the Gamma-O sine Cook set the record straight.

I wonder if everyday that his image is on there site, does it accrue damages for the Cook case?

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #177 on: June 24, 2006, 01:35:28 PM »
I'll stick with Bee Pollen & Cayenne Pepper.  At least they actually do something

What exactly do they do?

Hey John, come out from under your covers you fucking weasel and explain yourself.  This thread isn't going away anytime soon so come on out, bitch.

Why are you calling the president of a company a 'bitch', Vince?   He has a different interpretation of the facts, and he sells products which fall under the same category as you- supplements.   

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #178 on: June 24, 2006, 01:39:42 PM »
Interesting... no contract - then why is he all over their site still today promoting their products? If he has not been paid since March, I don't get it...


John Napolitano

John has been a competitive athlete his entire life. From football to bodybuilding, John strives to be #1. For six years, John had been in the medical equipment field. Prior to co-founding Gamma Enterprises, he spent his days teaching surgeons how to use a surgically implanted pain pump. This exposure to cutting edge science gave Gamma the ability to tap into medical professionals who would typically be difficult or impossible to reach. As a competitor, John trains rigorously at several New York gyms including Powerhouse in Farmingdale, Long Island and the world famous Bev Francis gym in Syosset. His more recent accomplishments include the 2002 Metropolitan Open Light Heavy Winner, the Metropolitan 2002 Novice Overall and the Atlantic States 2004 2nd Place Heavy Weight.

Gamma Oryzanol (Gamma-O) is safe, fast and effective and made from all-natural ingredients. It works both on the outside (where size matters) and the inside (where health matters.) Gamma-O enhances body composition by increasing muscle strength while reducing fatty tissue. It also assists in reducing negative mood parameters, such as anger, nervousness, and irritability and helps combat emotional imbalances.

Gamma-O is a combination of substances found in rice bran oil. In Japan, it is a widely accepted fact that rice bran oil contains many beneficial traits. These traits have been difficult to duplicate in supplements, due to the fact that the human body does not absorb the extracts in powder form. We at Gamma Enterprises have developed a unique process of transforming the powder extract into a liquid emulsion now known as Gamma-O.

The use of herbal extracts to enhance athletic performance has been studied and practiced for thousands of years. Gamma Oryzanol was one of the first plant sterols to be studied for its effectiveness as a steroid.

The effects of Gamma Oryzanol are comparable to those of anabolic steroids and andro or
pro-hormone products. The chemical structure of Gamma Oryzanol is in 2 parts, or actually two molecules in one. The largest part is the sterol and the other is ferulic acid.
 


More pics of Chris on their site...

http://www.gamma-o.com/images/2006ArnoldClassic/LowResPics/PIC8.jpg

http://www.gamma-o.com/images/2006ArnoldClassic/LowResPics/PIC15.jpg



From the Gamma-O site this morning...

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #179 on: June 24, 2006, 01:45:55 PM »
I trust you are familiar with science, if so there is no need to ask any of us to use this product before making a comment about it.

Tim's statement of fact is not open to debate Lift.

everything is open for debate, but for it to be a debate, there has to be some common framework.  I can present all sorts of scientific reasons why such products don't and can't work.   but such arguments seem to have no value to some people.  out society seems to be truley divided between those who trust the scientific method and those who don't.

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #180 on: June 24, 2006, 02:13:12 PM »
everything is open for debate, but for it to be a debate, there has to be some common framework.  I can present all sorts of scientific reasons why such products don't and can't work.   but such arguments seem to have no value to some people.  our society seems to be truley divided between those who trust the scientific method and those who don't.

That pretty well sums it up.
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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #181 on: June 24, 2006, 03:34:24 PM »
I'd rather spend it on something like HMB.  At least that feels like deca.

It makes me feel old that i remember that...









and spending $ on that shit >:(

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #182 on: June 24, 2006, 04:18:32 PM »
Well...I remember this too. It was at the same time that article with Ronnie Coleman came out. The one with the headline "Steroids??? I´ve not even tried marijuana!"
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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #183 on: June 24, 2006, 07:09:58 PM »
of course spray flex is not a scam, simply because one of "lift studios" clients endorses that product...
and "lift studios" knows that all ifbb pros tell the truth!! they would never lie!!

it's a scam because there is absolutely no science to back up such products that contain picogram doses of the active ingredients.   you're likely to get more of the active ingredients of these sprays by riding your bike down the street with your mouth open. 

and if you believe in homeopathy, it's a scam because it's a misuse of the concepts of homeopathy.   True homeopathy is that the "esssence" of an element (which there is no such thing) counters that element.  You would take the essence of arsenic (arsenic diluted in water so much so that there is less than one molecule per dose) to counter the effects of arsenic.  So the "essence" of HGH should counter the effects of HGH, not enhance it.

if picograms of GH under the tounge is so effective, then why inject thousands or tens of thousands of time more?   if less is more, why not inject 1 IU or 1/2 IU, or 1/10 IU rather than 18 that some bodybuilders do?

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #184 on: June 25, 2006, 06:03:58 AM »
What exactly do they do?

Why are you calling the president of a company a 'bitch', Vince?   He has a different interpretation of the facts, and he sells products which fall under the same category as you- supplements.   



Bee Pollen is a good source of amino acids and protein
Cayenne Pepper is works for allergies, fat loss, & chili recipes





He's a bitch because he came up here and told some fictional lies about Chris Cook, the contract, and Muscle Development.  He sells supplements but ones with some shady claims.  Something that I will not put up with.  I used to sell Gamma Oryzanol a few years ago through Vitamin Power.  Although they promoted it as an alternative to steroids, I didn't and promoted it for what it was.  I don't use any of VP's catalogs or anyone elses.  I keep my products honest and straightforward. 


I recently introduced my new line of skin care and sunless tanning products.  The new products are very unique in which they are infused with Olive Oil.  Its the only product of this type out there essentially combining the ancient past with the future and they truly work like they are suppose to!!!!!!  The details are on my site at www.caliberfitness.com pro shop.  You are more than welcome to check it out. 
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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #185 on: June 26, 2006, 11:57:24 AM »

This is Gamma-O's owner John Napolitano. Do you think he uses Gammo O or something "under the counter"?

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #186 on: June 26, 2006, 12:07:46 PM »

This is Gamma-O's owner John Napolitano. Do you think he uses Gammo O or something "under the counter"?

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at leasts he looks the part!................(better than some overweight suit)

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #187 on: June 26, 2006, 02:04:59 PM »
at leasts he looks the part!................(better than some overweight suit)


still a shithead.... >:(
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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #188 on: June 26, 2006, 02:13:46 PM »
That is right!  You tell 'em, Bee Pollen!   ::)

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #189 on: June 26, 2006, 03:25:51 PM »

This is Gamma-O's owner John Napolitano. Do you think he uses Gammo O or something "under the counter"?

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Hmm maybe his scam suppliments do work! The guys got a nice little "GH" gut commin along ;D

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #190 on: June 26, 2006, 03:36:04 PM »
I'm thinkin' they blew their whole wad on their 10+ sponsored athletes...leaving a whopping $.20 for product R&D.

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #191 on: June 26, 2006, 03:36:48 PM »
Hmm maybe his scam suppliments do work! The guys got a nice little "GH" gut commin along ;D

Not necessarily. The Italians are noted for having unusually large internal organs.

Wait a minute... I just made that up! He's obviously juicing!

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #192 on: June 26, 2006, 03:39:11 PM »

http://www.gammao.com/aboutus.asp  

MY PICTURE IS ON THE SITE FOR THE GUY THAT CALLED ME A PENCIL NECK GEEK. THINK ABOUT THIS MY PRODUCT HAS 78 CLINICALS THAT PROVE IT WORKS

You are obviously not a pencil neck geek, but I would like to see the full text paper of these "78 CLINICALS".

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #193 on: June 26, 2006, 03:43:07 PM »
 Int J Sport Nutr. 1997 Dec;7(4):318-29. Related Articles, Links 


The effects of gamma-oryzanol supplementation during resistance exercise training.

Fry AC, Bonner E, Lewis DL, Johnson RL, Stone MH, Kraemer WJ.

Exercise and Sport Science Laboratories, University of Memphis, TN 38152, USA.

To determine the effectiveness of gamma-oryzanol supplementation, weight-trained males were randomly divided into supplemented (G-O) and control placebo (Con) groups. The G-O group ingested 500 mg.day-1 of gamma-oryzanol according to manufacturer's instructions. Test batteries were administered before (T1), after 4 weeks (T2), and after 9 weeks (T3) of a periodized resistance exercise program. Both groups demonstrated significant increases in 1 repetition maximum muscular strength (bench press and squat) and vertical jump power, with no differences between the groups. No differences between groups were observed for measures of circulating concentrations of hormones (testosterone, cortisol, estradiol, growth hormone, insulin, beta-endorphin), minerals (calcium, magnesium), binding protein (albumin), or blood lipids (total cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL-cholesterol). Resting cardiovascular variables decreased similarly for both groups. These data suggest that 9 weeks of 500 mg.day-1 of gamma-oryzanol supplementation does not influence performance or related physiological parameters in moderately weight-trained males.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 9407258 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #194 on: June 26, 2006, 05:12:29 PM »
none of this surprises me, Gamma-O was advertising with me for a couple of months and then just cancelled without notice. I emailed them two times asking why they cancelled and got no reply.  ::)

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #195 on: June 26, 2006, 11:06:16 PM »
The main thing to learn from all of this, underneath all the he said she said, is this:

Supplements are HUGE money, so huge that a NO NAME company who sells Gamma Whatever (talk about bullshit snake oil) will pay a relatively new bodybuilder 130 000 DOLLARS TO ADVERTISE IT!!...


...think about that number!  And this is from a bullshit company with a bullshit product but relatively high profile athletes promoting it...unreal.

Next time somebody tells me a signed pro bodybuilder doesn't make 'much' money, I'll point em in this direction.

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #196 on: June 26, 2006, 11:26:59 PM »
You'er a photog who has been to many many NPC shows.

Can you post ONE picture where an IFBB athlete looks that bad while guest posing?

Why just IFBB athletes, Rob?

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #197 on: June 26, 2006, 11:29:11 PM »
I would like to set the record straight as far as MD's position with the Chris Cook, Gamma-O agreement.  Gamma-O and Cook negotiated and entered into an agreement and MD was not a party to that agreement.  In fact, MD never entered into an agreement with Chris Cook.  As part of the Gamma-O -- Cook agreement, Chris agreed that he would do a monthly column.  MD did publish some of Chris Cook's columns, but when Gamma-O made the decision to no longer employ Chris as their athlete, MD had no other choice but to terminate his column.  The decision to sign Chris Cook was Gamma-O's, and it was Gamma-O's decision to terminate him.  As far as John Napolitano stating that MD pulled out first, that is incorrect.  We had nothing to pull out of, again the contract was between Gamma-O and Chris Cook and once they decided to terminate, we could no longer continue the column.  I felt it was important for MD to also set the record straight.

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #198 on: June 27, 2006, 06:34:27 AM »
Blechman, if you don't move your fucken arm I'm gonna tear it off and beat you to death with it!

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Re: Gamma-O doing great without Cook
« Reply #199 on: June 27, 2006, 10:03:24 AM »
Int J Sport Nutr. 1997 Dec;7(4):318-29. Related Articles, Links 


The effects of gamma-oryzanol supplementation during resistance exercise training.

Fry AC, Bonner E, Lewis DL, Johnson RL, Stone MH, Kraemer WJ.

Exercise and Sport Science Laboratories, University of Memphis, TN 38152, USA.

To determine the effectiveness of gamma-oryzanol supplementation, weight-trained males were randomly divided into supplemented (G-O) and control placebo (Con) groups. The G-O group ingested 500 mg.day-1 of gamma-oryzanol according to manufacturer's instructions. Test batteries were administered before (T1), after 4 weeks (T2), and after 9 weeks (T3) of a periodized resistance exercise program. Both groups demonstrated significant increases in 1 repetition maximum muscular strength (bench press and squat) and vertical jump power, with no differences between the groups. No differences between groups were observed for measures of circulating concentrations of hormones (testosterone, cortisol, estradiol, growth hormone, insulin, beta-endorphin), minerals (calcium, magnesium), binding protein (albumin), or blood lipids (total cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL-cholesterol). Resting cardiovascular variables decreased similarly for both groups. These data suggest that 9 weeks of 500 mg.day-1 of gamma-oryzanol supplementation does not influence performance or related physiological parameters in moderately weight-trained males.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 9407258 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

"These data suggest that 9 weeks of 500 mg.day-1 of gamma-oryzanol supplementation does not influence performance or related physiological parameters in moderately weight-trained males."

So.....what's the dose they're recommending.  I hope it's not 500mg a day...