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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #75 on: June 21, 2006, 03:08:23 PM »
I just don't see why, if there are recent developments in Prince's health for the negative, he would choose Vince Goodrumm as the mouthpiece for it.

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« Reply #76 on: June 21, 2006, 03:18:08 PM »
Here are pics of Dialysis fistulas--------------which is obviously what Prince has on his arms

Major organs on the dude's body are shutting down and dieing and all you can say is he looks like a Junkie-----your a piece of sh8t

Trying having the major toxin processing unit in your body shut down and see how much weight you can keep on---------

Everybody wants to "Moral Grandstand", take a stand and kick them when there down.
he IS  a junkie, took illegal drugs( no bullshit about scripts from a doctor, thanks)and formed either a physical or psycological dependency on them. if his body dissolves into a bucket of shit who cares, he did it to himself.
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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #77 on: June 21, 2006, 03:23:09 PM »
Isn't he planning to beat the fuck out of Chris Mason?  ???

Dude, if I had a dollar for every tall tale told by one of Goodrum's personalities I would be sipping daquiris on my yacht right now.

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #78 on: June 21, 2006, 03:38:40 PM »
i tried to ask Tom what was up with his track marks in "the old days" back on mayhem. Posted the same thread 10 times over a period, always disappeared very fast. Sometimes in a matter of seconds  ;D
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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #79 on: June 21, 2006, 03:46:52 PM »
I just don't see why, if there are recent developments in Prince's health for the negative, he would choose Vince Goodrumm as the mouthpiece for it.

Maybe TP was one of Vince's 'secret' sponsored athletes ;)

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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2006, 04:09:01 PM »
It would be hard to believe because you don't know Vince G yet... LOL

dude I know all about Vince and all about his working with the Arizona Cardinals ::)----and how he's a "major player" in the fitness industry etc...LOL--------

Im sure Vince has no secret source...but my point was that someone on dialysis getting sicker and sicker is probably true even if mickey mouse wrote it.

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« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2006, 04:48:59 PM »
Inside sources say that TP is notorious for shooting things other than muscle enhancing supplements. Ask "On_Swole" aka Sean Maloney. He posted over at MM that one of TP's good friends was overheard (by Sean himself) saying "That's what happens when you shoot cocaine every day for 20 years." Then Tom recanted that it was his fistula. Probably for both the dialysis and otherwise.
Someone else besides On_Swole told me that it's true that TP's kidney failure is not the result of juice, advil or excess protein. In fact, it's due to what Sean mentioned- cocaine being shot in his arm.
Far as his drug regimen, there are numerous people that knew him in Florida, when TP did their contest prep. Guys were being told to take so much shit, they'd wake up in the middle of the night with irregular heartbeats, fainting at work, and suffering from ill-effects while on the cycle TP prescribed-not a cumlative build-up.
Scott Milne (I believe that was the correct name)0 was rumored to have worked with TP when he died. Dan Dufresne puked while onstage, swallowed it and continued to pose and did not win. Then there is the story of Big D (I think the late Marianna Komlos' brother). TP did his contest prep and the thread that may/may not still be over at Mayhem, was an utter disaster. Tales of vomiting, dehydration, TP leaving the guy for another he had in the contest, taking a ton of money from him and not giving what was promised in return.
The tales of TP are numerous. He's got a track record, and I'm not speaking of his arms this time.
Too many people have stories of him. Be it acting like an asshole, doing their contest prep and running out on them in the midst of needing him most, or just an internet encounter where he was so moody he made himself out to be a tourets patient.

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2006, 05:03:00 PM »
Inside sources say that TP is notorious for shooting things other than muscle enhancing supplements. Ask "On_Swole" aka Sean Maloney. He posted over at MM that one of TP's good friends was overheard (by Sean himself) saying "That's what happens when you shoot cocaine every day for 20 years." Then Tom recanted that it was his fistula. Probably for both the dialysis and otherwise.
Someone else besides On_Swole told me that it's true that TP's kidney failure is not the result of juice, advil or excess protein. In fact, it's due to what Sean mentioned- cocaine being shot in his arm.
Far as his drug regimen, there are numerous people that knew him in Florida, when TP did their contest prep. Guys were being told to take so much shit, they'd wake up in the middle of the night with irregular heartbeats, fainting at work, and suffering from ill-effects while on the cycle TP prescribed-not a cumlative build-up.
Scott Milne (I believe that was the correct name)0 was rumored to have worked with TP when he died. Dan Dufresne puked while onstage, swallowed it and continued to pose and did not win. Then there is the story of Big D (I think the late Marianna Komlos' brother). TP did his contest prep and the thread that may/may not still be over at Mayhem, was an utter disaster. Tales of vomiting, dehydration, TP leaving the guy for another he had in the contest, taking a ton of money from him and not giving what was promised in return.
The tales of TP are numerous. He's got a track record, and I'm not speaking of his arms this time.
Too many people have stories of him. Be it acting like an asshole, doing their contest prep and running out on them in the midst of needing him most, or just an internet encounter where he was so moody he made himself out to be a tourets patient.


you are right in parts of your story,, in general prince did not know how to deal with being big (muscle big) and it got to his head. the thing is he did not have a top physiqe but his physiqe was enough for him to think he was something and when you think you are something you push it and push it till you fall.

prince was not the only one who had those problems but he belong in the group that also used narcs,,also for bodybuilding purposes sad to say (this group is HUGE) while milos is an example of someone who fell due to  too much of a good thing and was able to recover,,prince belong in a group that fell due to too much of a bad thing and can not recover,, i call it the group of death and this group is big too big to write here.
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« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2006, 06:42:45 PM »
Hey guys, just my two cents.  Ether sent me this way as he felt I could provide some insight.  The fact is that I am a nephrologist or kidney specialist.  Ether is absolutely correct, hemodialysis entails going to a dialysis unit three time a week for four hours at a time (12 hours/weekly).  Unfortunately, regardless of age or etiology of renal failure, the average dialysis patient has a 20% mortality a year.  If the patient is diabetic, as may well happen to someone who abused GH, the yearly mortality is closer to 25%.  Thus, the best option if TP is on dialysis longterm would be a renal transplant (tx). 

There are two kinds; a living related (or unrelated) tx vs a cadavaric (dead body) renal tx.  Usually, the living tx last longer (around 20 years or so).  Unfortunately, a tx requires you to be on powerful immunosuppressive agents for life.  These include steroids (not anabolics, prednisone which makes you fat), a calcineurin inhibitor (such as cyclosporine or tacrolimus) and a purine inhibitor (cellcept or imuran).  Luckily, some people do fairly well if they do not reject the kidney (rare in this day and age if MHC match is good).  If you follow basketball, Zo Mourning of the Miami Heat had a living related tx and he looks awesome.  Thus, renal failure is not a death sentence, but it is a very difficult disease.  Anybody who would abuse their body with roids, GH and needless insulin is a fool.  Moreover, it is such a catabolic illness, that only the most genetically gifted would be able to put on muscle mass while on dialysis. 

Oh 240, it is difficult to get a tx.  If you are not a good match, rejection is likely.  Moreover, if you get a sub-optimal kidney and it fails, it portends a poor prognosis for another kidney as you have now developed antibodies.  Needless to say, the first kidney you get you want to keep.  On average, if you don't have a suitable living donar, it takes about two years or so to get a cadavaric kidney.

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2006, 06:43:38 PM »
Maybe Titus will give TP his Kidneys before they fry him...

Oh ya i forgot, Craigs probably are just as bad as TP's :-\

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2006, 09:33:40 PM »
Blind...like Thomas Dolby.

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« Reply #86 on: June 22, 2006, 04:52:53 AM »
I've said things in the past regarding the situation when we were going at it back and forth (things I do not care to repeat), but the above statement was most certainly not one of them.
  that doesnt sound like you

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #87 on: June 22, 2006, 05:00:58 AM »
TP should be at the bottom of the transplant list.

My final thoughts, because I am choosing not to spend another second of my life considering him:

He has the opportunity to educate and inspire and possibly save others.  Does he? No.  He is still the same prick, he is just dying now.  Better people die everyday and we probably don't know them.  We are wasting time on the one who we surely won't miss.

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #88 on: June 22, 2006, 05:27:24 AM »
Titus was actually the guy that went on MM and called Prince out for shooting coke & nubain for 20+ years. Craig was pissed about the comments Prince made about his physique after the 2004 Ironman.

If I remember correctly the title of the thread was "TOM PRINCE, Bitter and washed up".

Tom was a dick on the web, however I ,nor should anyone else want to see the guy suffer from health related problems. He is a husband and father and people need him in their life.


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« Reply #89 on: June 22, 2006, 05:46:38 AM »
Hey guys, just my two cents.  Ether sent me this way as he felt I could provide some insight.  The fact is that I am a nephrologist or kidney specialist.  Ether is absolutely correct, hemodialysis entails going to a dialysis unit three time a week for four hours at a time (12 hours/weekly).  Unfortunately, regardless of age or etiology of renal failure, the average dialysis patient has a 20% mortality a year.  If the patient is diabetic, as may well happen to someone who abused GH, the yearly mortality is closer to 25%.  Thus, the best option if TP is on dialysis longterm would be a renal transplant (tx). 

There are two kinds; a living related (or unrelated) tx vs a cadavaric (dead body) renal tx.  Usually, the living tx last longer (around 20 years or so).  Unfortunately, a tx requires you to be on powerful immunosuppressive agents for life.  These include steroids (not anabolics, prednisone which makes you fat), a calcineurin inhibitor (such as cyclosporine or tacrolimus) and a purine inhibitor (cellcept or imuran).  Luckily, some people do fairly well if they do not reject the kidney (rare in this day and age if MHC match is good).  If you follow basketball, Zo Mourning of the Miami Heat had a living related tx and he looks awesome.  Thus, renal failure is not a death sentence, but it is a very difficult disease.  Anybody who would abuse their body with roids, GH and needless insulin is a fool.  Moreover, it is such a catabolic illness, that only the most genetically gifted would be able to put on muscle mass while on dialysis. 

Oh 240, it is difficult to get a tx.  If you are not a good match, rejection is likely.  Moreover, if you get a sub-optimal kidney and it fails, it portends a poor prognosis for another kidney as you have now developed antibodies.  Needless to say, the first kidney you get you want to keep.  On average, if you don't have a suitable living donar, it takes about two years or so to get a cadavaric kidney.

Very well said.

His best/only bet at this point is a kidney transplant.

I'm assuming that since he does not have one already, none of his immediate family were a match.
In the US can friends donate directly to the recipient? In Canada, if a friend is willing to give you the kidney it goes to the list (you can't give one directly to a friend) and the waiting list is atrociously long (7000 people in Ontario alone).

I'm not sure if TP is going to get a kidney, nor do I think that I (or anyone else for that matter) can decide who should receive one and who should not. If he ever did, he could prove us all wrong and turn his life around become a motivational speaker or (the more likely option) he might start abusing hard core again.

Nobody knows, but for his sake he better get one soon.

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« Reply #90 on: June 22, 2006, 07:16:41 AM »
Ether, just to let you know that in the US, a friend is able to donate if he is healthy and is a good match.  However, the process for a living donar (related or not) is very long and entails physical studies as well as psychological testing.  So yes, it is possible, but he better be a damn good friend to give up a kidney.  Peace.

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« Reply #91 on: June 22, 2006, 09:11:21 AM »
Ether, just to let you know that in the US, a friend is able to donate if he is healthy and is a good match.  However, the process for a living donar (related or not) is very long and entails physical studies as well as psychological testing.  So yes, it is possible, but he better be a damn good friend to give up a kidney.  Peace.

That rules Chick out, he'd never pass the psychological test. :P

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #92 on: June 22, 2006, 09:14:36 AM »
Thanks.  My question has been answered about the dialysis fistula. 

I also have learned that Tom Prince has been a mainline junkie for 20 years, and has a bodyweight somewhere in the range of 135-180 lbs.

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« Reply #93 on: June 22, 2006, 09:20:08 AM »
Tom was a dick on the web, however I ,nor should anyone else want to see the guy suffer from health related problems. He is a husband and father and people need him in their life.

I remember Tom and Chick being FUNNY as hell about 4 years ago on Getbig and I enjoyed posting with them daily.
Whatever demons Tom has faced, they are his own, and now that he is sick and in need of a transplant, I am sure he doesn't need to be reminded of his errors.

The fact is that you are 100% correct that his wife and children still need him to be here, and you all should wish him well or just decide to be indifferent about him. 
Bashing him on a daily basis serves no purpose.
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« Reply #94 on: June 22, 2006, 09:23:28 AM »
I remember Tom and Chick being FUNNY as hell about 4 years ago on Getbig and I enjoyed posting with them daily.
Whatever demons Tom has faced, they are his own, and now that he is sick and in need of a transplant, I am sure he doesn't need to be reminded of his errors.

The fact is that you are 100% correct that his wife and children still need him to be here, and you all should wish him well or just decide to be indifferent about him. 
Bashing him on a daily basis serves no purpose.

I agree with you, but I don't get why TP is sticking to the Advil story.

Why not come clean and tell the whole story?

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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2006, 09:24:01 AM »
Personally, people who abuse steroids and alcohol should be put on a diffrent list than those who have renal failure due to other factors....
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« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2006, 09:31:26 AM »
Personally, people who abuse steroids and alcohol should be put on a diffrent list than those who have renal failure due to other factors....

In canada, for liver transplants if the patient is still using alcohol or IV drugs they will not get the transplant.

I'm not sure if that applies to kidneys, but it is doubtful.

The transplant lists try to be as non-judgemental/godlike as possible, we are also against capital punishment in all provinces up here.


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Re: TOM PRINCE
« Reply #97 on: June 22, 2006, 09:37:01 AM »
he's the man
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« Reply #98 on: June 22, 2006, 09:40:43 AM »
Personally, people who abuse steroids and alcohol should be put on a diffrent list than those who have renal failure due to other factors....

Agree - But money talks.  Look at the singer John Philips(Mamas & Papas).  Got a new liver, then was caught on tape drinking at the local bar after the transpalnt.  What an ass.

People that have the money or a good insurance will get the organ first. 

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« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2006, 06:38:27 AM »
I agree with you, but I don't get why TP is sticking to the Advil story.

Why not come clean and tell the whole story?

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You remember that about 3-6 months after he "retired" from the sport, he did come clean. He posted that if he could do it all over again he would take baby cycles "more like a woman's cycle", and then have MUCH more "off" time than he had.

He agreed that it was his abuse of gear that led him to his kidney problems.  He even said that it was his own stupidity for not getting a $75 dollar blood test on occasion to check his levels.

I do not remember him saying it was due to aspirin......... 
Maybe that is where he is now, but then again, I REMEMBER HIM BEING VERY CANDID.......

It was only when he dropped below 250 lbs and everyone started bashing him that he became defensive and a little bitter...

Again though, wish him well. His family needs him.
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