See i have fans in the Military as well :)

[IFBBwannaB]

Bush may not extremely smart, considering he does not believe in global warming.

But to say he is an idiot is to go way too far.

He's probably a fairly smart guy.

YIP
Zack

Bush IQ is irelevance.Point is he gets things done,protecting you from potential terror ranks high to me....

Problam is most of you have never seen terror in real life,so you think its so far and dosent relate to you.You have NO idea how many attempts to comit terror acts are being stoped everyday.

[CAPTAIN MARVEL]

I just said Bush was an idiot(my opinion ) i think all poiliticians are.As for Taxes i know we have to pay(shit i just payed 59,000) them i just disagree with the way the money is spent or should i say wasted.I just think America has enough problems here with people living on streets,no medical care,poverty.Help your own before you try saving the world(which some don't want to be saved).He says fighting for our freedom-WHEN HAS AMERICA NEVER BEEN FREE? Unless you were a slave or an American Indian that we killed or took thier land or Mexican.So when has the white Americans never been free? That's what i like you disagree with the Pres and you are anti American.Not true i think America is one of the greatest countries in the world.I just hate to see Americans living in povert,homless no health care and the money just being wasted over seas fighting for nothing.

Lee, I can appreciate your sentiments and views, but I disagree with posting the Marine's letter. They do protect our country and freedom (even if going into Iraq in the first place was stupid). Point is, he may have misunderstood you, but leave him be.

[danielson]

I take offense to any foreigner bashing our soldiers in any way, even if they were instigated. I take double offense if said foreigner is a mental and physical midget.

[Mars]

Kevin Levrone had marine corps flags in his gym, so when he did not had the getup to go he took a look to these flags.

[IFBBwannaB]

I take offense to any foreigner bashing our soldiers in any way, even if they were instigated. I take double offense if said foreigner is a mental and physical midget.

He is way beyond mental and physical midget,dont inflate his ego by calling him that.

[brianX]

It's amazing how many foreigners hate America. I'm talking about foreigners who actually live in the United States. They should all be shipped back to whatever shithole they came from.

[240 is Back]

As an honest American, I can say, as a nation, we are some world control freaks.  it allows us to keep the peace in teh world and ensure that no one steps in and decides to hoard some resource (oil) that both the US, and the world, needs.   

Suppose a sadaam or similar asshole decided to take control of the entire middle east- 90% of the world's oil supply- and decided to raise the price 1000% or just not trade altogether.  The world would be crippled.  The terror stuff, the wars, the sacrificed lives- they are necessary for the survival of 95% of the world's standard-of-living.  And the US will control the tap of that oil faucet.  This is as basic and clear as it gets.  you can argue it, deny it, etc, but it's the truth, and we have to accept it. 

10,000 lost lives now guarantee the stability of the world for 500 years.  In a utliitarian view, it makes sense.  Now make some lemonade with those lemons

[Bluto]

it's their oil, they can do what they want with it

[240 is Back]

From an ethical POV- yes.
From the POV of those elected to protect the US and maintain our quality of life- Nah.

I minored in poli sci, studies war & global politics... it's how it is.  None of us can change it, so sit back and accept it.  Instead of 50 princes in the desert hoarding the fuel, we *manage* a secnario to get US support and global tolerance for our mission to portion out the resources of that region to maintain the quality of life for 6B people.

it's life, it's the world we live in.  You might disagree, you might be angry, and if you lost a loved one on 911 or in the sands fighting, you might be furious.  but it is, what it is.  So deal with it.  Utilitarianism.

[The Showstoppa]

Hey Lee gives to the needy.  Why, just a few years ago a poor bodybuilder was at the Fireshouse and Lee gave him his meal without so much as a fuss.

[Hedgehog]

Lee is one of the only BB who actually devotes time to community related things ..

The others are Lee Haney and Dorian...

If im missing someone then jsut say but , thats what being a role model is about ..

Derek Anthony, Bruce Patterson, Sean "Webcam on fire" Allan, Hot Rod and Kai G are others who devote time to service a community.

YIP
Zack

[Bluto]

i dont care what you minored in. since when did the lifestyle of 300 million become utilitarianism where billions could be taken into account.

[IFBBwannaB]

As an honest American, I can say, as a nation, we are some world control freaks.  it allows us to keep the peace in teh world and ensure that no one steps in and decides to hoard some resource (oil) that both the US, and the world, needs.   

Suppose a sadaam or similar asshole decided to take control of the entire middle east- 90% of the world's oil supply- and decided to raise the price 1000% or just not trade altogether.  The world would be crippled.  The terror stuff, the wars, the sacrificed lives- they are necessary for the survival of 95% of the world's standard-of-living.  And the US will control the tap of that oil faucet.  This is as basic and clear as it gets.  you can argue it, deny it, etc, but it's the truth, and we have to accept it. 

10,000 lost lives now guarantee the stability of the world for 500 years.  In a utliitarian view, it makes sense.  Now make some lemonade with those lemons

And you claim to have an MBA ....the war wasnt for the oil.You know how much oil you need to pay for it? Probably more than all the oil in Iraq ever had.

Whomever thinks this war was for economic growth is an idiot,wars cost alot and are never profitable.

[jaejonna]

i dont care what you minored in. since when did the lifestyle of 300 million become utilitarianism where billions could be taken into account.

probably since we all live on the same planet numbnuts

[dr.chimps]

As an honest American, I can say, as a nation, we are some world control freaks.  it allows us to keep the peace in teh world and ensure that no one steps in and decides to hoard some resource (oil) that both the US, and the world, needs.   

Suppose a sadaam or similar asshole decided to take control of the entire middle east- 90% of the world's oil supply- and decided to raise the price 1000% or just not trade altogether.  The world would be crippled.  The terror stuff, the wars, the sacrificed lives- they are necessary for the survival of 95% of the world's standard-of-living.  And the US will control the tap of that oil faucet.  This is as basic and clear as it gets.  you can argue it, deny it, etc, but it's the truth, and we have to accept it. 

10,000 lost lives now guarantee the stability of the world for 500 years.  In a utliitarian view, it makes sense.  Now make some lemonade with those lemons

Uh-oh, I think you are mistaking pragmatism for tyranny here Rob.


/Spoken by a Canadian (a peaceful one, like his nation) who has lots and lots of access to fresh, delicious  water. 

[Bluto]

i have the feeling this will be another of those lengthy 50 pages threads, i still stand by my original comment though - this got nothing to do with bodybuilding, and i wouldnt want to read about it in a magazine i bought that's suppose to be about bodybuilding.

[jaejonna]

Whomever thinks this war was for economic growth is an idiot,wars cost alot and are never profitable.

hmmmm what got America out of the Depression WAR WORLD 2 ...... yeah you know alot .

[240 is Back]

i dont care what you minored in. since when did the lifestyle of 300 million become utilitarianism where billions could be taken into account.

I only listed that as a basis for my understanding- not a justification by any means.

Billions are being taken into account.  The US managing the oil flow from the middle east assures that all 6B people of the world have access to it.  Yes, the 300M of the US will do okay, and yes, every other country in the world will be able to get it also at market value, wherever that lands.

But, no asshole is able to move into that area and *hold* the resource from all 6B on the earth.  Which, with OPEC and the uniting mindset that was becoming prevalent in the region, was coming.

I'm not defending it- merely explaining it.  It is what it is.  You can accept, be happy, and drive your SUV.... or disagree, and still drive your SUV and live unhappy.  We're ants, man.  We aren't changing anything- it's a global mgmt system.  Live with it.

[Bluto]

probably since we all live on the same planet numbnuts

so, why would what's best of the interest of americans, be in the best interest of everyone else? or the majority?

[Bluto]

I only listed that as a basis for my understanding- not a justification by any means.

Billions are being taken into account.  The US managing the oil flow from the middle east assures that all 6B people of the world have access to it.  Yes, the 300M of the US will do okay, and yes, every other country in the world will be able to get it also at market value, wherever that lands.

But, no asshole is able to move into that area and *hold* the resource from all 6B on the earth.  Which, with OPEC and the uniting mindset that was becoming prevalent in the region, was coming.

I'm not defending it- merely explaining it.  It is what it is.  You can accept, be happy, and drive your SUV.... or disagree, and still drive your SUV and live unhappy.  We're ants, man.  We aren't changing anything- it's a global mgmt system.  Live with it.

so usa is doing this as a favor for all mankind to have equal distribution of oil and without them, only a few would be allowed to buy the precious oil to drive their SUV's (assuming they have those in the first place, since it's mostly driven in America) ? i thought you said usa was acting in their own interests. are they doing both at the same time?

[Bluto]

that sound a lot like communism 

[240 is Back]

And you claim to have an MBA ....the war wasnt for the oil.You know how much oil you need to pay for it? Probably more than all the oil in Iraq ever had.

Whomever thinks this war was for economic growth is an idiot,wars cost alot and are never profitable.

What does a bouncer do if there hasn't been a fight in 3 weeks?  

He starts one. job security.

Defense contractors and national mgmt system firms are the biggest firms in the US.  They stay in business by the US engaging in wars or managing resources of other nations.

IFBB, I admire your blind patriotism.  I'm a patriot too- I would die to protect my country.  But I am smart enough to know the war was a technique employed to ensure the mid east resoources were properly managed.  and there is plenty of evidence to show that the terror attacks were *managed*.  Watch loose change, man.  

Thing is, I'm not upset about it- I'm a realist, and in order to ensure that you didn't haev a sadaam demanding the US do this or that- or lose ALL oil- this was a necessary action.  It's FUBAR, sure.  but necessary to maintain this quality of life.

[IFBBwannaB]

hmmmm what got America out of the Depression WAR WORLD 2 ...... yeah you know alot .

1.WW2 was a long war that produced tons of jobs,totaly diffrent from modern wars.
2.Just like WW1 the money spent on it and the funds given to rebuilding Europe was a net loss.

I can add more but from reading most of your posts I know it will go whhhooosh over your head so no reason to try.

[240 is Back]

so usa is doing this as a favor for all mankind to have equal distribution of oil and without them, only a few would be allowed to buy the precious oil to drive their SUV's (assuming they have those in the first place, since it's mostly driven in America) ? i thought you said usa was acting in their own interests. are they doing both at the same time?

The US manages the oil tap.
If you don't start shit and play ball, your country gets the oil it needs.
If you don't follow our policy, you may have issues.

Sure, it's fucked up.  But it's reality.  The US will be managing the global oil supply in 20 years.  Why?  Well, we're pricks, sure.  but stable pricks.   More stable than a one-nutjob dictator that could just decide to pull rank and cut off 6 or 10 or 20B people one day on a whim.  Ppl are too thick to see or understand it, so terror attacks were necessary to get local and global support for our little scoot into the region.   Checkmate.  life goes on.  Anyway, it won't affect our generation much.  But our grandkids will benefit greatly from it.

[IFBBwannaB]

What does a bouncer do if there hasn't been a fight in 3 weeks?  

He starts one. job security.

Defense contractors and national mgmt system firms are the biggest firms in the US.  They stay in business by the US engaging in wars or managing resources of other nations.

IFBB, I admire your blind patriotism.  I'm a patriot too- I would die to protect my country.  But I am smart enough to know the war was a technique employed to ensure the mid east resoources were properly managed.  and there is plenty of evidence to show that the terror attacks were *managed*.  Watch loose change, man.  


Iraw is far from being the only oil supplier in the world.Just look at the numbers,go calculate how long it would take that oil to pay back the war.....many many years...if it wont run out before that.

Natural reasources arent the basis for economies,there are many reasources rich nations but if the population is..."low quality" the economy will be shit.On the other hand...how many small barren nations that rely on technolegy and are very rich you know?
Thing is, I'm not upset about it- I'm a realist, and in order to ensure that you didn't haev a sadaam demanding the US do this or that- or lose ALL oil- this was a necessary action.  It's FUBAR, sure.  but necessary to maintain this quality of life.