See i have fans in the Military as well :)

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1.WW2 was a long war that produced tons of jobs,totaly diffrent from modern wars.
2.Just like WW1 the money spent on it and the funds given to rebuilding Europe was a net loss.

I can add more but from reading most of your posts I know it will go whhhooosh over your head so no reason to try.

Are you saying that the war in iraq/Afg isn't creating jobs?  you're wrong.  

Are you saying that the price of rebuilding the Iraqi infrastructure and govt puppet regime is greater than the miles of oil under teh sand we now control? Now you're just being foolish.

[Bluto]

The US manages the oil tap.
If you don't start shit and play ball, your country gets the oil it needs.
If you don't follow our policy, you may have issues.

Sure, it's fucked up.  But it's reality.  The US will be managing the global oil supply in 20 years.  Why?  Well, we're pricks, sure.  but stable pricks.   More stable than a one-nutjob dictator that could just decide to pull rank and cut off 6 or 10 or 20B people one day on a whim.  Ppl are too thick to see or understand it, so terror attacks were necessary to get local and global support for our little scoot into the region.   Checkmate.  life goes on.  Anyway, it won't affect our generation much.  But our grandkids will benefit greatly from it.

why would they do that? can you name some other resource where they refuse to sell to the highest payer?

[jaejonna]

OK well there is a thing called the Military-Industrial Complex......

read the book , i did.

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Iffwannabe wrote: Iraw is far from being the only oil supplier in the world.Just look at the numbers,go calculate how long it would take that oil to pay back the war.....many many years...if it wont run out before that.

Natural reasources arent the basis for economies,there are many reasources rich nations but if the population is..."low quality" the economy will be shit.On the other hand...how many small barren nations that rely on technolegy and are very rich you know?

Afghanistan was the entrance to the region and a base to put useful things.
iraq is a foothold.
Syria, iran, and N korea (no oil but good position for contorl and massive human resources) are next.  it'll be 20 years.  And you may bitch.  but the world will be more stable- no more hitlers or stalins.  

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why would they do that? can you name some other resource where they refuse to sell to the highest payer?

If the value of a resource NOT being sold outweighs that cash, then yes, that dictator will NOT sell.

Suppose sadaam and 10 other pricks got together, froze all oil output, and said "the US will do X, Y, and Z or it will never see oil again.  And we will not trade with anyone who trades with the US".

We'd be crippled.  We're pre-empting some prick pulling that.

[Hedgehog]

Going into Iraq has nothing to do with the World Trade Centers tragedy.

There has not been any credible link established between the terrorists in Al Qaida and the terror dictactorship of Saddam Hussein. Two different evils.

Despite what one would think, you cannot just stage a war against another country because you don't like how it's run. The evidence that the Bush administration has been promising to deliver, never showed.

But what to do?

Supporting a democracy in Iraq is the best thing to at the moment. Helping these people build a land without torture and horror.

YIP
Zack

[Bluto]

If the value of a resource NOT being sold outweighs that cash, then yes, that dictator will NOT sell.

Suppose sadaam and 10 other pricks got together, froze all oil output, and said "the US will do X, Y, and Z or it will never see oil again.  And we will not trade with anyone who trades with the US".

We'd be crippled.  We're pre-empting some prick pulling that.

Suppose this and suppose that. Suppose USA doesn't control every country in the world, might as well do it.

[jaejonna]

This is a dumb topic to start on these boards ... in case you guys were wondering ... I just have to say that even though lee said things that some agree with and others dont, the beauty lies in the fact that he can say those things cause of the liberties afforded by those who have put thier lives on the line for all of the people in the world to live free with out persecution. Now only if we can ban gay marriages.... then that would be perfect!

[Bluto]

This is a dumb topic to start on these boards ... in case you guys were wondering ... I just have to say that even though lee said things that some agree with and others dont, the beauty lies in the fact that he can say those things cause of the liberties afforded by those who have put thier lives on the line for all of the people in the world to live free with out persecution. Now only if we can ban gay marriages.... then that would be perfect!

I don't think he should be allowed to say it - not in a magazine about bodybuilding.

[IFBBwannaB]

Are you saying that the war in iraq/Afg isn't creating jobs?  you're wrong.  

Are you saying that the price of rebuilding the Iraqi infrastructure and govt puppet regime is greater than the miles of oil under teh sand we now control? Now you're just being foolish.

LMAO!! Well...investing the price of the war creating whatever you want will be MUCH more profitable.
Shit just give it away and people will be happy.

Bush gets lots of heat ,he aint doing it to look good.He is doing it because he knows its nessecery.

You are really naive thinking that Sadam was just sitting there and playing with oil.You remember that in the 80's Israel destroyed his NUCLEAR core? You remember he used chem/bio weapon on his own citizens to check if it works,so he can use it on YOU later on.

[walking sculpture]

You probably don't have the guts to respond
Body: I read what you said about our President, our country and our involvemnet in Iraq in the last issue of Muscular Development. As a United States Marine and a two time combat veteran I suggest that if you don't like our taxes and our laws, you should carry your steroid riddled ass back to your homeland you piece of shit. If you don't like the President then that is your perogative (that means your right, in case you are really as retarded as you act), but don't badmouth the man if you don't even vote. And where do you get off even having an opinion about what our military should do when you didn't even have the guts to volunteer, you fucking pussy. While you were lifting weights in an air conditioned gym I was doing foot patrols through insurgent villages in 135 degree weather while little kids begged me for water. I wouldn't have traded places with you then for all the money in the world. I'm a better man for what I did and have a better appreciation for the freedom that my country has to offer me. Freedom bought with the lives and blood of men like me. The real warriors. Get over yourself. You are strong, that cannot be denied, but it's obvious that you suffer from an enlarged ego. Oh, by the way, your face tattoo looks like shit. The area around your eye looks like it was drawn on with crayon

MONSTER TRUTHS!

Especially the stuff about an enlarged ego.

[Hedgehog]

The US manages the oil tap.
If you don't start shit and play ball, your country gets the oil it needs.
If you don't follow our policy, you may have issues.

Sure, it's fucked up.  But it's reality.  The US will be managing the global oil supply in 20 years.  Why?  Well, we're pricks, sure.  but stable pricks.   More stable than a one-nutjob dictator that could just decide to pull rank and cut off 6 or 10 or 20B people one day on a whim.  Ppl are too thick to see or understand it, so terror attacks were necessary to get local and global support for our little scoot into the region.   Checkmate.  life goes on.  Anyway, it won't affect our generation much.  But our grandkids will benefit greatly from it.

In twenty years, China is the world dominant force. They already is moving in on oil resources in Africa and Asia.

YIP
Zack

[Bluto]

Might as well invade China too then huh

[240 is Back]

It's a flawed system, oiled with the blood of the common man, supervised by the elite and entirely out of our control.

All we can do is bitch about it, or laugh about it.  But we're pretty powerless to do anything.  The media & political system is tied in to ensure its entrenched position.  Hell, we would have talked about this in WWII had the internet and digital photograpy been available.  Lusitania & Pearl harbor were the 9/11s of those days.  Deal with it.

[jaejonna]

I don't think he should be allowed to say it - not in a magazine about bodybuilding.

Well he is a bodybuilder who was wrote to by the guy in the military who was reading MD at the time,where else is he going to publish that in Time or Newsweek ??

"BODYBUILDER DISAGREES WITH BUCH ON WAR: Lee calls Buch Idiot, then after long pause says the word --pathetic"

yeah maybe in the National Review ..

[IFBBwannaB]

Iffwannabe wrote: Iraw is far from being the only oil supplier in the world.Just look at the numbers,go calculate how long it would take that oil to pay back the war.....many many years...if it wont run out before that.

Natural reasources arent the basis for economies,there are many reasources rich nations but if the population is..."low quality" the economy will be shit.On the other hand...how many small barren nations that rely on technolegy and are very rich you know?

Afghanistan was the entrance to the region and a base to put useful things.
iraq is a foothold.
Syria, iran, and N korea (no oil but good position for contorl and massive human resources) are next.  it'll be 20 years.  And you may bitch.  but the world will be more stable- no more hitlers or stalins.  

Damn man...my point is that those idiots who plan all day long to kill every one in the westren world are dangerous and need to be eliminated,you say the same.Whats the conflict? You think that the main motivator was the oil or the tyrants?

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No, but we will haev a foothold in the region and control of the physical reources like oil to establish an amicable arrangement with China and their massive HR force.  Just like what india is- the outsource tech center- china will be the mnfg hub of the world.  make sense?

[Bluto]

All I know is that if I pay for a bodybuilding magazine and a professional bodybuilder is writing in it, it better be about bodybuilding, not bombs.

[Bluto]

It's a flawed system, oiled with the blood of the common man, supervised by the elite and entirely out of our control.

All we can do is bitch about it, or laugh about it.  But we're pretty powerless to do anything.  The media & political system is tied in to ensure its entrenched position.  Hell, we would have talked about this in WWII had the internet and digital photograpy been available.  Lusitania & Pearl harbor were the 9/11s of those days.  Deal with it.

I don't care either way, I'm just trying to keep you from getting any work done today 

[jaejonna]

It's a flawed system, oiled with the blood of the common man, supervised by the elite and entirely out of our control.

All we can do is bitch about it, or laugh about it.  But we're pretty powerless to do anything.  The media & political system is tied in to ensure its entrenched position.  Hell, we would have talked about this in WWII had the internet and digital photograpy been available.  Lusitania & Pearl harbor were the 9/11s of those days.  Deal with it.

It really is out of our hands...the closest one on this board who can do anyhting is Rhino asking the head of his company to not fund the Republican National Committee.... and im sure thats not Going to happen....and if that did happen , not hing would result...we are all spokes in a wheel...i already lost sleep on this a long time ago...Thats why i blaze chronic ...makes you notice that life is beuatiful in all this mess...........SAVE YOURSELF!!!

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Damn man...my point is that those idiots who plan all day long to kill every one in the westren world are dangerous and need to be eliminated,you say the same.Whats the conflict? You think that the main motivator was the oil or the tyrants?

Yes- IMO those extremists are welcome byproducts of the invasion, as they ensure public opinion stays on course.  just watch the news.  it's spoonfed political theater. the last week-

we hit al zaquiri- "we're making strides everyone"
2 days later bush arrives- "we are in control"
then 2 soldiers are kidnapped/killed - "we can't go home quite yet tho!"

i can give you dozens more examples of media events to form public perception, but it doesn't matter.

[jaejonna]

All I know is that if I pay for a bodybuilding magazine and a professional bodybuilder is writing in it, it better be about bodybuilding, not bombs.

True that , but if your buying MD, then your buying a mag with the Rambling Freak, he is nothing in BB....

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It really is out of our hands...the closest one on this board who can do anyhting is Rhino asking the head of his company to not fund the Republican National Committee.... and im sure thats not Going to happen....and if that did happen , not hing would result...we are all spokes in a wheel...i already lost sleep on this a long time ago...Thats why i blaze chronic ...makes you notice that life is beuatiful in all this mess...........SAVE YOURSELF!!!

you got that right.

Oh, and I talked with Wayne Demilia- he is going to use the ol' weather machine to ensure it's 72 and sunny at the NOC.

[IFBBwannaB]

No, but we will haev a foothold in the region and control of the physical reources like oil to establish an amicable arrangement with China and their massive HR force.  Just like what india is- the outsource tech center- china will be the mnfg hub of the world.  make sense?

There is a foothold in there since 1948,its called Israel and they kick every arab tyrant who start to do too much noise.Sadam nuclear core for example.
There are lots of american forces there.The supposed foothold claim is lame.

You should go back to school,your money making senses are out of whack.And I talked to economical wizards about this subjects they laugh at the war for oil arguments.

Dont listen to the hype...thats all it is...hype.

[jaejonna]

The war we are in now didnt not start in September 11, a lot of crap happened a long time ago...mainly the British giving Palestine to the Zionist following the Second World War is probably a good starting point....

About extremist.... Imagine if you are in your house and a bomb falls from the sky and kills your family and all you notice is a plane with a big American flag on it, wouldn t you be mad ??