Bid to bring bodybuiling to the world

[body88]

i remember when i first got into bb'ing at about age 19 or 20 i was up late one night and saw Flex Wheeler as an up and coming nationals level guy still in the NPC on American Muscle Magazine, he was doing cable curls and i couldn't believe the size of him but i'm sure if i saw that same clip now i wouldn't be nearly as surprised.

Tha was about the age I started to appreciate certain bodybuilders. Arnold, Flex, Serge guys like that. When I first saw Yates I was about 16. I was legit freaked out by his condition lol.

Remeber the shot in the documentry of flex on TLC I think it was of him dead lifting shirtless with glass. I was blown away. The footage was rfom one of the battle for the O's

[G o a t b o y]

I just clicked the link and emailed ESPN telling them that as a "real patriotic American" I'm opposed to steer-oids (just say no, y'know?) and fagg0try, and would therefore boycot both their network and all their sponsors if they ever darkened America's airwaves with the abomination known as "professional bodybuilding".  

[xavmaster]

kids in selling b's are smart, dogs are cute and poker is fun, kind of a stretch to compare these to bodybuilding, isn't it?

So you think someone would rather watch someone spell than a the biggest bodybuilding show in the world I know all of my mates would watch it and they just like to be amazed by looking at them they don't even like the sport.
And they would rather kill themselves than watch a spelling b or a dog show.
People are not just going to think i'm going to watch these kids spell because there smart.

[danielson]

So you think someone would rather watch someone spell than a the biggest bodybuilding show in the world I know all of my mates would watch it and they just like to be amazed by looking at them they don't even like the sport.
And they would rather kill themselves than watch a spelling b or a dog show.
People are not just going to think i'm going to watch these kids spell because there smart.

I would rather watch my dog, Furio, than bodybuilding on tv, and I have been lifting for 20 years. I am pretty biased though, I love my dog

[body88]

So you think someone would rather watch someone spell than a the biggest bodybuilding show in the world I know all of my mates would watch it and they just like to be amazed by looking at them they don't even like the sport.
And they would rather kill themselves than watch a spelling b or a dog show.
People are not just going to think i'm going to watch these kids spell because there smart.

We can appreacite your enthusiasm since you are a young buck and just getting into the game..... But when you learn who Rodney St Cloud is and what a rich suger daddy is you will understand why this sport will never be mainstream.

[xavmaster]

Well anyway for what its worth I heard that they was thinking about getting it back on espn or a webcast that you pay for.
I thought emails could help bring bodybuilding to tv it just seems the so called supporters arn't interested.

[danielson]

and don't even try to compare "kid poker" or "the poker brat" to Ronnie and Dorian. I am sure half the people posting on getbig play partypoker simultaneously. I know I do.

[G o a t b o y]

We can appreacite your enthusiasm since you are a young buck and just getting into the game..... But when you learn who Rodney St Cloud is and what a rich suger daddy is you will understand why this sport will never be mainstream.

I hear the network is seriously considering a pilot of "The Rodney and Kai Show" to fill the void left by the departure of "Will & Grace".

[body88]

With a late night version available by order only due to censors!

[Hypertrophy]

Xavmaster,

Don't get too worked up over the comments on here. Its part of your continual initiation ceremony!

BTW, back in the late 70's bodybuilding was on HBO. It was a big deal then. I think Arnold made things mainstream because he had personality. Pumping Iron had come out and bodybuilding was novel.

As things  evolved to the present state, people lost interest. Its not like this is an exciting, competitive game that has a constantly changing score. The same guys win the big O years in a row. Imagine if the Yanks won the World Series 8 years running. I like baseball but c'mon! Still, it would be more intereting than bodybuilding shows because of the constant action.

You know we've reached the plateau when people see a guy as gargantuan as Ronnie Coleman and their reaction is  "So what". Same thing happens in all sorts of entertainment . People need "new".

I actually think competitive bodybuilding will shrink in audience to where it was in, perhaps, the 1950's. A small audience and a fringe "sport" mentality. Its thanks to the internet that small audiences can keep up with it.

[Mr. Intenseone]

If you want to "bring bodybuilding to the world" then you first have to make it legit..................

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=77781.0


Hope this helps!!

[MCWAY]

back in the late 80's, early 90's bb'ing was on ESPN all the time, Lee Haney's show, Flex magazine workout, American Muscle Magazine, NPC Nationals, Bodyshaping, but when the freakshow came to town ESPN bailed.

And, for a brief period of time in 1992, we had WBF BodyStars on USA (and, in my hometown, the international broadcast, "WBF BodyStars America", came on a local UHF channel).

[MCWAY]

Gord as much as you want to see bodybuilding go mainstream do you think the average person would look at Coleman in admiration like Arnold was looked at? Or in disgust as the sheer freakishness he has achieved?

You're forgetting one thing. Back in the 70s, most people looked at Schwarzenegger with just as much "disgust" as most people today would look at Coleman. The Oak's mainstream success had more to do with his mind and his determination, than his muscles.

For most his movies, Schwarzenegger had to keep dropping weight, even when playing a bodybuilder on film.

And, to top it all off, bodybuilders of the '50s and '60s made some of the same comments about Arnold (and others) that bodybuilders from the '70s and '80s now make about today's stars: "They're ruining the sport", "What happened to symmetry and proportion?", "They're drug freaks"; "They all look alike", "Back in my day......", etc.

[Platz]

IF Jay Cutler was Mr O, would bodybuilding be more marketable?

[MCWAY]

IF Jay Cutler was Mr O, would bodybuilding be more marketable?

Nope!!!

Most people think he's too big. Most people think ALL professional bodybuilders are too big. I remember when I was in school and I'd be reading a Muscle & Fitness magazine. Some of my friends would look at the bodybuilders and give the usual "Ewww....That's Grosss; He's too big!!" routine. These weren't pics of Haney, Yates, or Gaspari. These were shots of guys like Shawn Ray, Lee Labrada, and Bob Paris (the more "symmetrical, proportional" bodybuilders).

Have you noticed, that even with those fitness gizmos, seen on informercials, the only Mr. Olympia ever used to market one was a well-past-his-prime Frank Zane? Heck, When Zane was mentioned, he was introduced as a 3-time MR. UNIVERSE (not a 3-time Mr. Olympia). The screen showed his accomplishments, but it has "Mr. Universe" in big letters and "Mr. Olympia" in small print.

[Platz]

Nope!!!

Most people think he's too big. Most people think ALL professional bodybuilders are too big. You could show them a pick of Frank Zane, in his prime, and you'd get the same reaction. I remember when I was in school and I'd be reading a Muscle & Fitness magazine. Some of my friends would look at the bodybuilders and give the usual "Ewww....That's Grosss; He's too big!!" routine. These weren't pics of Haney, Yates, or Gaspari. These were shots of guys like Shawn Ray, Lee Labrada, and Bob Paris (the more "symmetrical, proportional" bodybuilders).

Well the same thing could be said about sprinters, basketball playets ect..."Ewww...he's too fast!!", "Eww...he's too tall!" ect..
If you think about it, all pro sports are taken to the extreme, so what gives?

[MCWAY]

Well the same thing could be said about sprinters, basketball playets ect..."Ewww...he's too fast!!", "Eww...he's too tall!" ect..
If you think about it, all pro sports are taken to the extreme, so what gives?

Bodybuilding, to many, ain't a sport, because all the participants do is pose and flex. Secondly, there's no subjectivity to point scoring. If the ball goes in the hoop, it 2-3 points (depending on the distance of the shot).

Bodybuilding is about APPEARANCE, not performance.

[Platz]

The reason why bodybuilding isn't acceptable is just because of the drugs. Whenever a Joe sees a bodybuilder, he associates him/her with juice.

[Platz]

Bodybuilding is about APPEARANCE, not performance.

Have you ever been onstage? Have you ever flexed your muscles for 2 long hours, without taking a break, and that after 16 weeks of dieting? It's not as easy as you think...so bodybuilding is about appearance and performance(preparation) IMO

[MCWAY]

The reason why bodybuilding isn't acceptable is just because of the drugs. Whenever a Joe sees a bodybuilder, he associates him/her with juice.

A reason? Yes!! The reason? No.

Take the best natural bodybuilder in the world, peel him down to almost no bodyfat, and you'll get the same reaction.

[Platz]

Take the best natural bodybuilder in the world, peel him down to almost no bodyfat, and you'll get the same reaction.

 

It's virtually impossible to peel down to zero bodyfat naturally, without losing all your muscle. So this would mean that your natural guy would lose all his muscle...so yeah that would look weird. You do that to a regular Joe, and the reacton would be the same.

[MCWAY]

Have you ever been onstage? Have you ever flexed your muscles for 2 long hours, without taking a break, and that after 16 weeks of dieting? It's not as easy as you think...so bodybuilding is about appearance and performance(preparation) IMO

I didn't say it was easy. But, at the end of the day, it's about HOW YOU LOOK, period. The preparation isn't part of the sport. You don't get extra points for dieting 16 weeks instead of 12 weeks. You don't get more consideration for doing squats instead of leg presses.

Either you're ripped or you're not. How long it took you to get there doesn't matter. Either you have good legs or you don't. What exercise you used to achieve those wheels is irrelevant.

[Platz]

I didn't say it was easy. But, at the end of the day, it's about HOW YOU LOOK, period. The preparation isn't part of the sport. You don't get extra points for dieting 16 weeks instead of 12 weeks. You don't get more consideration for doing squats instead of leg presses.

Either you're ripped or you're not. How long it took you to get there doesn't matter. Either you have good legs or you don't. What exercise you used to achieve those wheels is irrelevant.

True, but if you don't do your benches, squats, deads ect, it WILL show onstage. IF you do half ass dieting, it WILL show onstage There is no easy way around bodybuilding. Preparation is a part of bodybuilding.

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Well the same thing could be said about sprinters, basketball playets ect..."Ewww...he's too fast!!", "Eww...he's too tall!" ect..
If you think about it, all pro sports are taken to the extreme, so what gives?

Too fast? WTF?
The only thing that is of interest to BB-ing is the bodies (and perhaps posing) of the BB-ers. When their bodies don't have some appeal to people it all falls down. With basketball, or sprints, or any real sport it's not about the body but about the match, the technique, the endurance, the feats of skill etc. And people don't regard the prancing contest of BB-ers a match....

[MCWAY]

True, but if you don't do your benches, squats, deads ect, it WILL show onstage. IF you do half ass dieting, it WILL show onstage There is no easy way around bodybuilding. Preparation is a part of bodybuilding.

Depends on the bodybuilder. For years, the knock on Vince Taylor was that he trained with "light" weights. But, Taylor looked fantastic at contest time, and (until Coleman broke his record), he was the all-time leader in IFBB pro wins.

The exercises that best stimulate the muscles are the ones that bodybuilders do. While, by and large, it includes the exercises you mentioned, that isn't etched in stone by any means. Plus, the judges don't care if you did bench presses or not to develop your chest. You either have a good chest or you don't.

Said another way, if two guys have equal chest development, one who does the bench press isn't going to get rewarded more than the one who doesn't.

Again, you missed my point. At no time did I state that bodybuilding was easy. What I said was that it is based on APPEARANCE, not performance. They are judged by how they look, NOT what they do.  The preparation has no direct bearing on the judges' scoring of the bodybuilders. It's not part of the competition itself. You don't get marked down for not benching; you don't get marked down for eating beef, instead of chicken or whole eggs, instead of egg whites.