Author Topic: WHY HASN'T BODYBUILDING EVOLVED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS?? (Read 9795 times)

pumpster · « **Reply #25 on:** June 24, 2006, 06:31:04 PM »

Someone like Frank McGrath looks great, reminds of a 70s look that's unlikely to win now.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #26 on:** June 24, 2006, 06:39:44 PM »

Ruhl has the best chest in bb - it's thick and striated like no other

delta9mda · « **Reply #27 on:** June 24, 2006, 06:40:56 PM »

Quote from: Hulkster on June 24, 2006, 05:24:08 PM

that arnold pic is only good because you can't see his toothpicks...er..I mean quads

agreed

danielson · « **Reply #28 on:** June 24, 2006, 06:43:37 PM »

how can you guys compare Arnold to all these midgets?

gordiano · « **Reply #29 on:** June 24, 2006, 07:01:12 PM »

Bbing has most definitely evolved. The schmoes are more dedicated than ever!

onlyme · « **Reply #30 on:** June 24, 2006, 07:37:27 PM »

Coleman looks great here. Especially his titties. The pros of today are nothing close to the pros of the 80's.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #31 on:** June 24, 2006, 08:54:37 PM »

Quote from: BayGBM on June 24, 2006, 06:23:51 PM

Even many second tier pros are bigger and better conditioned than the pros of the 70s. Wake up.

Exept Arnold, Sergio and Frank Zane, Conditioning was better then (for most) than now, example,you don't see this type of conditioning now.............

240 is Back · « **Reply #32 on:** June 24, 2006, 09:02:28 PM »

BBing hasn't evolved because the human bone structure can only hold so much muscle and still retain the asthetic/svelte/streamlined look that we've been conditioned to view as nonoffensive.

When guys get to be 270+, the muscle just hangs, gets droopy, and doesn't have the functional and artistic qualities that we've learned to view as desirable.

your average person doesn't want to look any bigger or ripped than Arnold achieved in 1975.

lonewolf · « **Reply #33 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:12:55 AM »

240 ,you have absolutely summarized the entire problem with so called modern bodybuilding. It's nothing short of grotesque

alexxx · « **Reply #34 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:15:16 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on June 24, 2006, 09:02:28 PM

BBing hasn't evolved because the human bone structure can only hold so much muscle and still retain the asthetic/svelte/streamlined look that we've been conditioned to view as nonoffensive.

When guys get to be 270+, the muscle just hangs, gets droopy, and doesn't have the functional and artistic qualities that we've learned to view as desirable.

your average person doesn't want to look any bigger or ripped than Arnold achieved in 1975.

Agreed thats why some Olympia winners from the early years can still pretty much win today.

Bluto · « **Reply #35 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:20:54 AM »

because arnolds genetics for chest was one of a kind.

alexxx · « **Reply #36 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:22:07 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on June 25, 2006, 11:20:54 AM

because arnolds genetics for chest was one of a kind.

he started out with a 39 inch sunken chest... sorta like where gibber is at right now..

Bluto · « **Reply #37 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:39:11 AM »

Quote from: alexxx on June 25, 2006, 11:22:07 AM

he started out with a 39 inch sunken chest... sorta like where gibber is at right now..

genetics isnt just about where you start out, it what happens when you do start
apparantely no drugs, training routines, supplements etc can touch that chest 30 years later, so the only reasonable explanation is - it was one of a kind on a genetic level.

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #38 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:39:50 AM »

Other then legs which weren't as big of a deal back then Arnold has bodyparts which are on par or better then many of todays pros, if he competed now he def would still the genetics to do great.

alexxx · « **Reply #39 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:40:25 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on June 25, 2006, 11:39:11 AM

genetics isnt just about where you start out, it what happens when you do start
apparantely no drugs, training routines, supplements etc can touch that chest 30 years later, so the only reasonable explanation is - it was one of a kind on a genetic level.

Or he trained the hardest for that masterpiece of a chest!

Bluto · « **Reply #40 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:42:22 AM »

Quote from: alexxx on June 25, 2006, 11:40:25 AM

Or he trained the hardest for that masterpiece of a chest!

I think plenty of people been able to train as hard as Arnold in the last 30 years, but also there's no proven connection between training hard and developing muscles.

Bluto · « **Reply #41 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:44:26 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on June 24, 2006, 08:54:37 PM

Exept Arnold, Sergio and Frank Zane, Conditioning was better then (for most) than now, example,you don't see this type of conditioning now.............

I think you do, it's just that it's hard, if not impossible to have that kinda conditioning if you're much bigger.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #42 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:54:08 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on June 24, 2006, 09:02:28 PM

BBing hasn't evolved because the human bone structure can only hold so much muscle and still retain the asthetic/svelte/streamlined look that we've been conditioned to view as nonoffensive.

When guys get to be 270+, the muscle just hangs, gets droopy, and doesn't have the functional and artistic qualities that we've learned to view as desirable.

your average person doesn't want to look any bigger or ripped than Arnold achieved in 1975.

Couldn't have put it any better. Peter mcGough once wrote about Flex Wheeler "The thing that makes Flex great is not only where he has muscle, it's where he doesn't" Guys today literally look like 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.

gracie bjj · « **Reply #43 on:** June 25, 2006, 11:58:19 AM »

id rather look like arnold then marcus or ronnie,does that mean arnolds better?ofcoarse not but to me he looked overall better and if i had a choice id take arnolds build

Hedgehog · « **Reply #44 on:** June 25, 2006, 12:05:57 PM »

When I see recent pics of Ronnie Coleman working out, looking bigger than ever, it apparent that conditioned mass is the only thing that matters today.

For whatever reason, the physiques back in the early 80's, late 70's didn't look like that.

And because of it, the simply are better.

That generation still gets beaten on condition, but their lines and symmetry is better, making for overall better physiques.

Samir Bannout wouldn't win the Olympia today with his 1983 form. But he should.

As should Serge Nubret, Roy Callender, Mohamed Makkawy, Betil Fox, Mike Mentzer (1979 form).

And a lot of other great bodybuilders that have better physiques than Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler.

But just happens to have a balanced physique.

Where's the fcuking balance? When did pro BB become a biz for schmoozing "judges" to trig the Pro's to up the dosages?

YIP
Zack

DK II · « **Reply #45 on:** June 25, 2006, 12:08:06 PM »

Quote from: gracie bjj on June 25, 2006, 11:58:19 AM

id rather look like arnold then marcus or ronnie,does that mean arnolds better?ofcoarse not but to me he looked overall better and if i had a choice id take arnolds build

word.

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #46 on:** June 25, 2006, 12:11:36 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on June 24, 2006, 07:37:27 PM

Coleman looks great here. Especially his titties. The pros of today are nothing close to the pros of the 80's.

The drug use has increased. Classic moon face. Coleman's a bloated water tank cause he's on a shitload of test. Yates, Cutler, Nasser, etc. all look like the michelin man off season. Plus, I don't think offseason posing was the norm back then. I may be wrong but there's a dearth of pics to support my argument.

Bluto · « **Reply #47 on:** June 25, 2006, 01:00:02 PM »

Who cares what they look like off-season. Only thing that matters are those minutes on stage.

danielson · « **Reply #48 on:** June 25, 2006, 01:06:03 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on June 25, 2006, 01:00:02 PM

Who cares what they look like off-season. Only thing that matters are those minutes on stage.

If they don't care what they look like year round, no one else will care either, thats why bb is a dying sport. Did you see that pic of Ronnnie up there? He looks like a fucking pig. And he is supposedly the best out there

gracie bjj · « **Reply #49 on:** June 25, 2006, 01:09:55 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on June 25, 2006, 01:00:02 PM

Who cares what they look like off-season. Only thing that matters are those minutes on stage.

imo i think they should care cause they are representing a sport that supposed to stand for health and fitness,a guy who is recognized as the reigning mr olympia shouldnt be walkin around lookin like hes 8 and ahalf months pregnant when hes not getting ready for the olympia imo,in the 70,s guys looked decent in between shows,arnold did anyway