The Top Ten Lies Told by Pros

[gh15]

here's what a 242 lbs natural looks like.

pretty much,,this is what natural 240 looks like you are right ,, can have more muscle density but it will be cover with fat very close to the picture shown,,


consider yourself lucky if you can be 180-190lb at true 10% naturally at a height of 5'9,,LUCKY!

[DK II]

pretty much,,this is what natural 240 looks like you are right ,, can have more muscle density but it will be cover with fat very close to the picture shown,,


consider yourself lucky if you can be 180-190lb at true 10% naturally at a height of 5'9,,LUCKY!

totally agree.

[Stormspirit]

pics or it didn't happen.

beleive me i was.
if i dieted down i probably would have had massive 17 inch guns, my arms were 18.5 at 250.  a lot of the weight was in my legs, i had 31inch quads.  i was a solid 250, not a pro bber 250 though, nothing like that, but i was bigger than most juicers easy.  i am telling the truth.

[Stormspirit]

pretty much,,this is what natural 240 looks like you are right ,, can have more muscle density but it will be cover with fat very close to the picture shown,,


consider yourself lucky if you can be 180-190lb at true 10% naturally at a height of 5'9,,LUCKY!

bullshit.  you can build a a lot of muscle as a natural with the right genetics, of course not at a low body fat but 13-15% bf you can be 240 of solid muscle easy and no lovehandles like that.

[DK II]

beleive me i was.
if i dieted down i probably would have had massive 17 inch guns, my arms were 18.5 at 250.  a lot of the weight was in my legs, i had 31inch quads.  i was a solid 250, not a pro bber 250 though, nothing like that, but i was bigger than most juicers easy.  i am telling the truth.

no hating, but how come there are so many people on this board who are 240 @ 10% bf and we never see a pic?

I haven't seen a 250lbs natural with a good bf level in my life. 

[gh15]

bullshit.  you can build a a lot of muscle as a natural with the right genetics, of course not at a low body fat but 13-15% bf you can be 240 of solid muscle easy and no lovehandles like that.

no ,,not possible,, at 20-25% yes you can ,,240 was there from this board if i remember correctly i once read he was there,,yes its possible naturally with 20-25% body fat which is not a nice site,,and usually people who say they are 20-25% are in reality close to 30% and ofcourse obese to the 10th degree,,

your 240 didnt look anything lik ejuicer,,big huge diff ,,you may have had big legs same as fat americans have big calves but they are still fat obese,,what are you a moron? can you see the american guys walking around fat as pigs with huge calves ,,,they are naturals ,,they just have big calves cause they walk on their fat bodies all day long

there is no 200+ at 10% or under natural unless youre over 6 feet and even the over 6 feet are the one with prime built and not many of them around in relashion to the population

[Chevron427]

Sorry, but there are many many ways to conceal drugs in tests or pass the tests. Armstrong is clealry an expert in this. There are also form of EPO that aren't tested for.

He was caught with EPO a few times but always got out of it through a legal suit or other stuff.

Armstrong is on Test, EPO and god knows what all the time.

So he is a genius at passing tests, he take's synthetic testosterone because he has one ball and a version of EPO that only he knows about and he passed all the tests because he took what exactly? I would love to know, you seem to have a brilliant mind and a wealth of knowledge that us kids would know nothing about.

[Stormspirit]

no ,,not possible,, at 20-25% yes you can ,,240 was there from this board if i remember correctly i once read he was there,,yes its possible naturally with 20-25% body fat which is ot an nice site,,and usually people who say they are 20-35% are in reality close to 30% and ofcourse obese to the 10th degree,,

your 240 didnt look anything lik ejuicer,,big huge diff ,,you may have had big legs same as fat americans have big calves but they are still fat obese,,what are you a moron? can you see the american guys walking around fat as pigs with huge calves ,,,they are naturals ,,they just have big calves cause they walk on their fat bodies all day long

there is no 200+ at 10% or under natural unless youre over 6 feet and even the over 6 feet are the one with prime built and not many of them around in relashion to the population

i am 6 feet tall and was 250-255 on a full stomach at around 15%bf, no lovehandles.  most of the time i was the strongest and biggest guy in the gym, and i was only 17-18 yrs old with 3 years training under my belt.  i used 750mg test e a week and gained absolutely nothing but strength(it was human grade fyi)

look at goudy, he is natural and has a lot of muscle. bigger than most juicers and he is also fairly lean...it all depends on genetics.  you have people like billyguns, 240, etc, but not all are like that.

[DK II]

So he is a genius at passing tests, he take's synthetic testosterone because he has one ball and a version of EPO that only he knows about and he passed all the tests because he took what exactly? I would love to know, you seem to have a brilliant mind and a wealth of knowledge that us kids would know nothing about.

no need to hate here, i just state was has been rumored in the media all these years.

Here's a bit on EPO testing:

To prevent a possible misuse of rHuEpo, this is tested in urine samples collected from athletes by World Anti Doping Agency (WADA) accredited laboratories. Recently the test has met serious critiques, and the aims of the present study were to investigate the detection power of the test as well as the variability in the test power comparing the results of two WADA accredited laboratories. Methods: Eight human subjects were studied for seven weeks and treated with rHuEpo for four weeks with two weeks of "boosting" followed by two weeks of "maintenance" and a post period of three weeks. Urine samples were obtained during all periods.


Results: Laboratory A determined rHuEpo misuse in all subjects during the "boosting" period, whereas Laboratory B found no misuse, with one sample to be negative, and the remaining seven to be suspicious. The detection rates decreased throughout the maintenance and post period when total hemoglobin mass and exercise performance were elevated. During this period, laboratory A found only two out of 24 samples to be positive, and three to be suspicious, and laboratory B found no positive or suspicious samples. Conclusion: This study demonstrates a poor agreement in test results comparing two WADA accredited laboratories. Moreover, after the initial rHuEpo "boosting" period the power to detect rHuEpo misuse during the maintenance and post periods appears minimal.

http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/wada-and-tdf-epo-test-flushed-by-danish.html

More stuff here:

http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/

[gh15]

i am 6 feet tall and was 250-255 on a full stomach at around 15%bf, no lovehandles.  most of the time i was the strongest and biggest guy in the gym, and i was only 17-18 yrs old with 3 years training under my belt.  i used 750mg test e a week and gained absolutely nothing but strength(it was human grade fyi)

look at goudy, he is natural and has a lot of muscle. bigger than most juicers and he is also fairly lean...it all depends on genetics.  you have people like billyguns, 240, etc, but not all are like that.

NO NO NO
WRONG! how may times i tell you kids the smae thing,,


groudy is over 6 feet he is 6'3  6'2 or 6'4 he is only 230 or close to it and he is not lean !!! he is at 13 % from the one picture i seen of him on a regular basis 12-15% ,,

i told you million times before every inch = 7 pounds on a male you do the math ,,

there is no 240 in good shape naturally NOT EXIST at heigh of 5'10 or anything under 6 feet,,even 6 feet naturally at 15 % will be 220 the best of the best !! trust me you were 20% if you ever been 250 at 18 at 6 feet ,,infact ill go and say you were over 20 % since 18 year olds white boys at 6 feet that are 240 -250 are usually running at 18-25% actualy body fat ,,some of them have the muscle under but the momne tthey truly diet down to 6 % they are back to a misereble 175lb at 6 feet

[Stormspirit]

NO NO NO
WRONG! how may times i tell you kids the smae thing,,


groudy is over 6 feet he is 6'3  6'2 or 6'4 he is only 230 or close to it and he is not lean !!! he is at 13 % from the one picture i seen of him on a regular basis 12-15% ,,

i told you million times before every inch = 7 pounds on a male you do the math ,,

there is no 240 in good shape naturally NOT EXIST at heigh of 5'10 or anything under 6 feet,,even 6 feet naturally at 15 % will be 220 the best of the best !! trust me you were 20% if you ever been 250 at 18 at 6 feet ,,infact ill go and say you were over 20 % since 18 year olds white boys at 6 feet that are 240 -250 are usually running at 18-25% actualy body fat ,,some of them have the muscle under but the momne tthey truly diet down to 6 % they are back to a misereble 175lb at 6 feet

i guess it all depends what you consider 'good shape'...if i dieted down naturally im sure my physique would not have been anything impressive, 17 inch arms etc.... but i was a solid 245-250.  20% bf is fat.

this is 20%bf, i was nowhere near this chunky, i had no globs of fat

[Stormspirit]

goudy has a great natural physique

[gh15]

i guess it all depends what you consider 'good shape'...if i dieted down naturally im sure my physique would not have been anything impressive, 17 inch arms etc.... but i was a solid 245-250.  20% bf is fat.

this is 20%bf, i was nowhere near this chunky, i had no globs of fat

BECAUSE YOU HAD MORE MUSCLE MASS YOU MORON,,WHEN ONE HAS MORE MUSCLE MASS THE FAT SITS ON HIM BETTER ,,FAT CAN BE IN THE MUSCLE AND IN BETWEEN THE MUSCLE AND SKIN ,,THIS FELLA YOU SHOW LOOK LIKE 22% AND HAS NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING,,YOU BEEN IN GYM 3 YEARS AND HAD KNOWLEDGE OF TRAINING AS IN TRAINED...



PROPORTIONALLY TO HIM YOU HAD SAME BODY FAT IT ONLY LOOKED BETTER BECAUE YOU ALSO WERE 240 AND HAD MORE MORE MUSCLE ,,A LOT MORE MUSCLE SINCE THIS FELLA IS 160 POUNDS

[RZA]

no hating, but how come there are so many people on this board who are 240 @ 10% bf and we never see a pic?

I haven't seen a 250lbs natural with a good bf level in my life. 

QFT

[gh15]

goudy has a great natural physique

CORRECT
GOOD PHYSIQE,,ONLY AN ANTENA AND STAND AT 9-10% IN THIS PICTURE WITH A GOOD ABDOMINAL DEVELOPMENT,,TURN HIM AROUND AND YOU WOTN SEE NO XMAS TREE OR ANY LOWER BACK DEVELOPMENT,,IT IS 9-10% WITH SOME GOOD MUSCLE AND SOME NOT SO GOOD

NEVER THE LESS HE LOOK GOOD FOR NATURAL ONLY TOO TALL TO DO ANY DAMAGE

[RZA]

BECAUSE YOU HAD MORE MUSCLE MASS YOU MORON,,WHEN ONE HAS MORE MUSCLE MASS THE FAT SITS ON HIM BETTER ,,FAT CAN BE IN THE MUSCLE AND IN BETWEEN THE MUSCLE AND SKIN ,,THIS FELLA YOU SHOW LOOK LIKE 22% AND HAS NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING,,YOU BEEN IN GYM 3 YEARS AND HAD KNOWLEDGE OF TRAINING AS IN TRAINED...



PROPORTIONALLY TO HIM YOU HAD SAME BODY FAT IT ONLY LOOKED BETTER BECAUE YOU ALSO WERE 240 AND HAD MORE MORE MUSCLE ,,A LOT MORE MUSCLE SINCE THIS FELLA IS 160 POUNDS

So simple it's brilliant. This is turning into an owning of massive proportions.

[Stormspirit]

BECAUSE YOU HAD MORE MUSCLE MASS YOU MORON,,WHEN ONE HAS MORE MUSCLE MASS THE FAT SITS ON HIM BETTER ,,FAT CAN BE IN THE MUSCLE AND IN BETWEEN THE MUSCLE AND SKIN ,,THIS FELLA YOU SHOW LOOK LIKE 22% AND HAS NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING,,YOU BEEN IN GYM 3 YEARS AND HAD KNOWLEDGE OF TRAINING AS IN TRAINED...



PROPORTIONALLY TO HIM YOU HAD SAME BODY FAT IT ONLY LOOKED BETTER BECAUE YOU ALSO WERE 240 AND HAD MORE MORE MUSCLE ,,A LOT MORE MUSCLE SINCE THIS FELLA IS 160 POUNDS

you may be right, but still the more muscle you have the more pounds of bodyfat you need to get the same bf %. i was tested at 14% with calipers when i was 235.  these weights i am giving is in the afternoon after meals and PWO protein shake and with shoes on, never weighed in the morning so give or take 5lbs maybe a bit more. i probably could have dieted down to 205-210 ripped.

[JayC]

groudy is over 6 feet he is 6'3  6'2 or 6'4 he is only 230 or close to it and he is not lean !!! he is at 13 % from the one picture i seen of him on a regular basis 12-15% ,,

i told you million times before every inch = 7 pounds on a male you do the math ,,

So lets say he is 6 feet tall or 72 inches.  By your formula of 7 lbs per inch 72 x 7 = 504 lbs
  Confused

[DK II]

So lets say he is 6 feet tall or 72 inches.  By your formula of 7 lbs per inch 72 x 7 = 504 lbs
  Confused

Nevermind that, Jason, just keep on doing what you are doing.

you may be right, but still the more muscle you have the more pounds of bodyfat you need to get the same bf %. i was tested at 14% with calipers when i was 235.  these weights i am giving is in the afternoon after meals and PWO protein shake and with shoes on, never weighed in the morning so give or take 5lbs maybe a bit more. i probably could have dieted down to 205-210 ripped.

how many folds measured with the calipers?

[SamoanIrishman]

no ,,not possible,, at 20-25% yes you can ,,240 was there from this board if i remember correctly i once read he was there,,yes its possible naturally with 20-25% body fat which is not a nice site,,and usually people who say they are 20-25% are in reality close to 30% and ofcourse obese to the 10th degree,,

your 240 didnt look anything lik ejuicer,,big huge diff ,,you may have had big legs same as fat americans have big calves but they are still fat obese,,what are you a moron? can you see the american guys walking around fat as pigs with huge calves ,,,they are naturals ,,they just have big calves cause they walk on their fat bodies all day long

there is no 200+ at 10% or under natural unless youre over 6 feet and even the over 6 feet are the one with prime built and not many of them around in relashion to the population

I would agree here. I've been lifting and playing rugby since i was 15. When I was playing in college I was 246lbs (6' tall)..football / linebacker build. No six pack but no gross gut ( i consider gross not being able to see the top line of your pubic hair if you stood up straight and looked down) either and I was 24-26%.

When I leaned out the year after, I had to have a super clean (bland, gross) and 1+ hrs of cardio a day (not including practice / games), 6 days a week (and it took me 10 months) I was 224lbs @ 14%..very low for me. It is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get low single digit bf % (and keep decent muscle) without "chemical help" (or surgery) for some genetics..me included.

[Stormspirit]

Nevermind that, Jason, just keep on doing what you are doing.

how many folds measured with the calipers?

dont remember

I would agree here. I've been lifting and playing rugby since i was 15. When I was playing in college I was 246lbs (6' tall)..football / linebacker build. No six pack but no gross gut ( i consider gross not being able to see the top line of your pubic hair if you stood up straight and looked down) either and I was 24-26%.

When I leaned out the year after, I had to have a super clean (bland, gross) and 1+ hrs of cardio a day (not including practice / games), 6 days a week (and it took me 10 months) I was 224lbs @ 14%..very low for me. It is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get low single digit bf % (and keep decent muscle) without "chemical help" (or surgery) for some genetics..me included.

it took you ten months to get down to 14%bf?  there's no way you could have been all that strict with your diet

[DK II]

dont remember

See?

You can measure ten fold or three fold.

I can measure you 2 fold at 5% bf or tenfold at 25%. 

[Stormspirit]

See?

You can measure ten fold or three fold.

I can measure you 2 fold at 5% bf or tenfold at 25%. 

I don't even know what that means to be honest

[SamoanIrishman]

dont rememberit took you ten months to get down to 14%bf?  there's no way you could have been all that strict with your diet

Ok..maybe strict was a little extreme. I meant College strict (beer not included)...lol

I'd say it was fairly clean...minus most Saturdays. Still, my body is VERY stubborn with it's fat (Irish / Scot / Samoan genetics?). I have to do some extreme shit to get single digits...not worth it to me. But hey, to each his own. It did teach me to respect the work / dedication other put in to get there.

[tbombz]

i think the more muscle you have the FATTER you look at the same bf%.

take two gusy at 20%bf. one is muscular 240. one is no muscle 160.    to the general public, the 160lber look like average dude, not fat or not skinnny. but the 240lb guy will look fat to everybody.