Myostatin, how soon?

[shiftedShapes]

So when do you think we'll see Supped up myostatin BBers with 300lbs of mass and no abdominal distention.

I don't think it will be long.  Imagine if it is safe???!!!!!!

we'll we see huge testing proof gene doped athletes in 2008 in Bejing?

Are some people already playing around with the stuff?

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I think there was an article floating around that debunked the whole myostatin deal...saying it was more sci-fi/bogus than anything...and that the suppliment companies were hyping it mostly for sales of their "Myostatin Blockers"...

...Div might know, he's hip to that stuff

nah it was covered in the NY times and they are currently doing human trials for application to muscular dystrophy.  It is def. not BS, but you're right some sup companies were trying to capitalize on the real thing with some bogus inert powders as usual.

[Adam Empire]

Ahhhhh.. the big Mystatin craze that lasted about 2 months.  Once people started using the products, they realized it was the same results for 25% more money.

[The Freakshow]

nah it was covered in the NY times and they are currently doing human trials for application to muscular dystrophy.  It is def. not BS, but you're right some sup companies were trying to capitalize on the real thing with some bogus inert powders as usual.

PLEASE don't tell me you TRUST the New York Times

[shiftedShapes]

PLEASE don't tell me you TRUST the New York Times

you morons are doing me a great service by bumping my thread.  Please keep floating it up the board with these genius comments

[SAMSON123]

So when do you think we'll see Supped up myostatin BBers with 300lbs of mass and no abdominal distention.

I don't think it will be long.  Imagine if it is safe???!!!!!!

we'll we see huge testing proof gene doped athletes in 2008 in Bejing?

Are some people already playing around with the stuff?

At some point the REAL product may become available...The fear is that experiments were done on animals about 10 years ago which produced cows, horses, mice etc that were so muscle bound that they literally could not move. In these cases a particular gene was removed from the animal which allowed uncontrolled release of Myostatin and therefore uncontrolled muscle growth. Now these animals ended up with all types of conditions that destroyed their health. For example their hearts could not keep pace with the massive muscle growth and was overwhelmed trying to supply blood to the animal even when the animal was resting.

I guess scientist will have to work on developing a secondary heart for an animal (or human) that is that big or somehow the muscles of the animal will have to play a heart like part in keeping the blood flowing. So far as a pill or injection of this drug becoming used for bodybuilding...I imagine a black market will develop at some point. I wonder however what will happen when this is used on humans. I mean other than producing massive human BB, what will  be the possible health effects if any. If there are no health effects, then I imagine RONNIE COLEMAN will some day be considered VERY SMALL.

[shiftedShapes]

At some point the REAL product may become available...The fear is that experiments were done on animals about 10 years ago which produced cows, horses, mice etc that were so muscle bound that they literally could not move. In these cases a particular gene was removed from the animal which allowed uncontrolled release of Myostatin and therefore uncontrolled muscle growth. Now these animals ended up with all types of conditions that destroyed their health. For example their hearts could not keep pace with the massive muscle growth and was overwhelmed trying to supply blood to the animal even when the animal was resting.

I guess scientist will have to work on developing a secondary heart for an animal (or human) that is that big or somehow the muscles of the animal will have to play a heart like part in keeping the blood flowing. So far as a pill or injection of this drug becoming used for bodybuilding...I imagine a black market will develop at some point. I wonder however what will happen when this is used on humans. I mean other than producing massive human BB, what will  be the possible health effects if any. If there are no health effects, then I imagine RONNIE COLEMAN will some day be considered VERY SMALL.

I did not know that they produced myostatin inhibited horses.  They must look massive.  I had heard that the mighty mice were very passive and were picked on by normal mice.  However, I was under the impression that the belgian blues (myostatin lacking cows) were normal functioning and healthy.

[Unchained81]

So when do you think we'll see Supped up myostatin BBers with 300lbs of mass and no abdominal distention.

I don't think it will be long.  Imagine if it is safe???!!!!!!

we'll we see huge testing proof gene doped athletes in 2008 in Bejing?

Are some people already playing around with the stuff?

Boitest and Pinnacle already have products to block it now!

[RAT MCBAT]

At some point the REAL product may become available...The fear is that experiments were done on animals about 10 years ago which produced cows, horses, mice etc that were so muscle bound that they literally could not move. In these cases a particular gene was removed from the animal which allowed uncontrolled release of Myostatin and therefore uncontrolled muscle growth. Now these animals ended up with all types of conditions that destroyed their health. For example their hearts could not keep pace with the massive muscle growth and was overwhelmed trying to supply blood to the animal even when the animal was resting.

I guess scientist will have to work on developing a secondary heart for an animal (or human) that is that big or somehow the muscles of the animal will have to play a heart like part in keeping the blood flowing. So far as a pill or injection of this drug becoming used for bodybuilding...I imagine a black market will develop at some point. I wonder however what will happen when this is used on humans. I mean other than producing massive human BB, what will  be the possible health effects if any. If there are no health effects, then I imagine RONNIE COLEMAN will some day be considered VERY SMALL.

the animals were breed with the gene removed. there is no injection that shuts the myostatin gene off.
a bb will need to be born with the gene removed. eugenics anyone...

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the animals were breed with the gene removed. there is no injection that shuts the myostatin gene off.
a bb will need to be born with the gene removed. eugenics anyone...

yes the animals were bred myostatin deficient but there is now a drug that turns the production off in testing for human use.

[RAT MCBAT]

yes the animals were bred myostatin deficient but there is now a drug that turns the production off in testing for human use.

who makes that? it would be nice to see the human trial data.

[shiftedShapes]

i forget who makes it, but it is one of the biggies, and it was all over the news a few months ago.  I think the companies name starts with a D but it might have been wyeth

search muscular distrophy (sp?) human trial and myostatin and you will find it

[Adam Empire]

Boitest and Pinnacle already have products to block it now!

Snake oil - if it worked it would outsell creatine.

[Dorian 01]

Boitest and Pinnacle already have products to block it now!

Biotest stopped making Myo whatever years ago. The results mentioned even by the Biotest asskissers on T-Nation were pretty shitty. Stuff like "After 6 months on it, I noticed a slight increase in my hamstrings". Woo. That must be the 90$ a bottle supplement you were taking that done it.

[Rome]

Snake oil - if it worked it would outsell creatine.

don't insult snake oil that way, even that has some benefits. A helluva a lot more than myo blockers!

[drkaje]

There's no sensical way it would make any serious muscle. Remember, most of your skeletal muscle cells aren't undergoing division at any serious rate. Actually, smooth muscle cells (big blood vessles, intestines) multiply at a a much higher rate. Turning off the myostatin gene in non-dividing cells wouldn't make a lot of sense.

You could always engineer muscle babies.

Remember what PT Barnum said about a sucker being born ever minute.

[TheAnimal]

if any scientific studies(not involving muscletech) take place I would happily be the testing guy hehe

[jaejonna]

I took the same stuff that was advertising the big ass cow...all i got was like a heat rash on my inner bicep area and legs...i stopped , rash left...fcuk Myostatin

[shiftedShapes]

There's no sensical way it would make any serious muscle. Remember, most of your skeletal muscle cells aren't undergoing division at any serious rate. Actually, smooth muscle cells (big blood vessles, intestines) multiply at a a much higher rate. Turning off the myostatin gene in non-dividing cells wouldn't make a lot of sense.

You could always engineer muscle babies.

Remember what PT Barnum said about a sucker being born ever minute.

I guess you're not a medical Doctor.  It turns out that people on the drug experience huge gains in muscle very quickly (I don't remember the exact amount but it was something on the order of 30% increase in lean muscle in a matter of weeks)

[mrbham]

There are real products out now, they have been out for about a year.  Though I have not laid eyes on them, I know of a site for bodybuilders (not lab only) and it is very expensive.
anti-Myostatin
polyclonal anti-body
$2000 for 1000 mcg,  don't know how they dose it

[shiftedShapes]

There are real products out now, they have been out for about a year.  Though I have not laid eyes on them, I know of a site for bodybuilders (not lab only) and it is very expensive.
anti-Myostatin
polyclonal anti-body
$2000 for 1000 mcg,  don't know how they dose it

yeah the Luke posted a link to a site selling the stuff (didn't look like it was directed to BBers though).  I can't wait to see the results.

Imagine how much BBing would change if there was a more effective safer way to get big.

[SAMSON123]

the animals were breed with the gene removed. there is no injection that shuts the myostatin gene off.
a bb will need to be born with the gene removed. eugenics anyone...

I know that the animals were bred without the gene, but there are companies working on drugs to temporarily halt the genes that regulates myostatin or temporarily halt the myostatin regulating hormones. If this "drug" is perfected, then a "CONTROLLED" muscle growth situation can be created with the potential being for people who have muscle wasting conditions...even the loss of muscle as one ages could be reduced, inhibited all together or even added to. This alone would cut down tremendously on things like falls from weakness, osteoporosis, etc which the insurance companies would love. In so much as BB goes...you know what getting a hold of that drug or product would mean.....MASS MONSTERS. I wonder if the muscle gained in this fashion would be truly permanent..unlike the steroid effect of up and down muscle loss and gain.

Anyone born with this gene removed would essentially be crippled by that action. They would never be able to engage in any activity, because even the least strenuouus activity would constantly spur uncontrolled muscle growth and soon the individual would be handicapped by his  own muscles.

[shiftedShapes]

I know that the animals were bred without the gene, but there are companies working on drugs to temporarily halt the genes that regulates myostatin or temporarily halt the myostatin regulating hormones. If this "drug" is perfected, then a "CONTROLLED" muscle growth situation can be created with the potential being for people who have muscle wasting conditions...even the loss of muscle as one ages could be reduced, inhibited all together or even added to. This alone would cut down tremendously on things like falls from weakness, osteoporosis, etc which the insurance companies would love. In so much as BB goes...you know what getting a hold of that drug or product would mean.....MASS MONSTERS. I wonder if the muscle gained in this fashion would be truly permanent..unlike the steroid effect of up and down muscle loss and gain.

Anyone born with this gene removed would essentially be crippled by that action. They would never be able to engage in any activity, because even the least strenuouus activity would constantly spur uncontrolled muscle growth and soon the individual would be handicapped by his  own muscles.

yeah I just googled it.  Wyeth is now testing a drug called MYO-029 that will shut off myostatin production.  The results are due late this year.  Should be interesting

[Rome]

this shit was a bigger scam than vanydl sulfate. Sports nutrition customers have wised up over the years and that's why the scam died so quckly! Biotest,  FOR SHAME!

SPIKE is the shite though. They got that one right!

[shiftedShapes]

this shit was a bigger scam than vanydl sulfate. Sports nutrition customers have wised up over the years and that's why the scam died so quckly! Biotest,  FOR SHAME!

SPIKE is the shite though. They got that one right!

some people never learn...try some caffeine pills, cheaper and just as effective