Author Topic: Legal question: getting search warrants based upon message board posts (Read 40170 times)

240 is Back · « **on:** July 05, 2006, 03:47:36 PM »

Suppose someone made the statement:

Quote from: LooseLipsSinkShips on July 05, 2006, 03:34:39 PM

As far as the year is concerned, it is 1986 to me...when steroids were legal.... Except this time there won't be no raids from the DEA. I'm hooking people up now with the realest shit out there. People respect the fact that I'm willing to go commando to get what they need. I'm shipping stuff in from different countries so people don't have to pay overseas fees and other B.S.

IFBB & NPC Bodybuilding couldn't even function right without folks like me. Otherwise, all you would see on-stage would be some toothpicks. I may need to perfect my own physique but I'm like "New Kids on The Block". I alway have "The Right Stuff"

Given the current political situation and recent legislature, the 4th amendment NO LONGER REQUIRES "probable cause". Only "reasonable suspicion" is now required.

Is the statement above considered "reasonable suspicion"?

I'm a libertarian and I"m no snitch - i believe everything should be legalized, period. But as a hypothetical, is such a statement enough to get one searched? And if so, is there precedent for this happeneing?

I remember when RockyIII posted his home kitchen tren setup, and people freaked out. They said he could very easily be investigated, from only message board posts. Anyone have any insight on this?

ether · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:49:43 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 05, 2006, 03:47:36 PM

Suppose someone made the statement:

Given the current political situation and recent legislature, the 4th amendment NO LONGER REQUIRES "probable cause". Only "reasonable suspicion" is now required.

Is the statement above considered "reasonable suspicion"?

I'm a libertarian and I"m no snitch - i believe everything should be legalized, period. But as a hypothetical, is such a statement enough to get one searched?

This post should last about 30 seconds...

If Milos or Dennis James have anything to say about it that is.

Going....

Going...

Gone.

ribonucleic · « **Reply #2 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:51:05 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 05, 2006, 03:47:36 PM

Suppose someone made the statement:

Given the current political situation and recent legislature, the 4th amendment NO LONGER REQUIRES "probable cause". Only "reasonable suspicion" is now required.

Is the statement above considered "reasonable suspicion"?

I'm a libertarian and I"m no snitch - i believe everything should be legalized, period. But as a hypothetical, is such a statement enough to get one searched? And if so, is there precedent for this happeneing?

I remember when RockyIII posted his home kitchen tren setup, and people freaked out. They said he could very easily be investigated, from only message board posts. Anyone have any insight on this?

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #3 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:53:16 PM »

DEA's gonna raid Vince's shack in the Appalachian foothills and find nothing but bee pollen!

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #4 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:59:12 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 05, 2006, 03:47:36 PM

Suppose someone made the statement:

Given the current political situation and recent legislature, the 4th amendment NO LONGER REQUIRES "probable cause". Only "reasonable suspicion" is now required.

Is the statement above considered "reasonable suspicion"?

I'm a libertarian and I"m no snitch - i believe everything should be legalized, period. But as a hypothetical, is such a statement enough to get one searched? And if so, is there precedent for this happeneing?

I remember when RockyIII posted his home kitchen tren setup, and people freaked out. They said he could very easily be investigated, from only message board posts. Anyone have any insight on this?

what recent legislative enactments are you specifically referring to?

Adam Empire · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:01:44 PM »

I wouldn't be surprized if Ron (or his ISP, etc) hasn't been contacted at least once... I would be willing to bet that these postings can/will be used as evidence at some point in time.

240 is Back · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:07:11 PM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on July 05, 2006, 03:59:12 PM

what recent legislative enactments are you specifically referring to?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/260106generalhayden.htm

Direct from General Hayden, Dep Dir of Nat'l Intelligence.

Probably cause is NOT required to get a warrant anymore.

Blockhead · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:08:36 PM »

All I know...is that if something does happen to Vince for that stupid...insanely idiotic post then then a rival OWNING will be found to match the OWNING Arnold put on Lou in 'Pumping Iron'. Maybe not as GALACTIC but it could be close...

Dumbshit n--ga came right on a super popular bodybuilding message forum...where thousands of eyes read every day...all day and told EVERYONE that his is...importing, shipping, slinging GEAR in mass quantities.

I never seen anything like it. Never. I always say pretty much all bb's in the pro, ameture and recreational level nickle/dime and hustle/flow gear...thats a given and no agent who combs the boards for tips/info will blink an eye at that but...VINCE...

GeezLouize!

ribonucleic · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:11:30 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on July 05, 2006, 04:08:36 PM

All I know...is that if something does happen to Vince for that stupid...insanely idiotic post then then a rival OWNING will be found to match the OWNING Arnold put on Lou in 'Pumping Iron'. Maybe not as GALACTIC but it could be close...

It would certainly become a Hall of Fame moment in getbig history.

What's next? Titus using a computer in the jail library to post a confession?

240 is Back · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:14:36 PM »

Flex Wheeler said that DEA agents followed him for years back then - training in the same gym, going to his shows, etc.

It would make sense that DEA agents surf getbig regularly now. Insane for anyone to post such things in this day and age.

I ETA PI · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:20:21 PM »

The DEA will follow you for YEARS before they move. The feds have a pretty good success rate in bringing people in. They don't like to lose. So, they let you think you're above the law, and under the radar, while they're just racking up more info.

Truth.

Blockhead · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:22:51 PM »

I bet Vince, in his mind, likes to believe or make people believe that he is being followed or watched or his phones might be tapped...when he is talking to people in public...I wouldnt doubt he pulls a 'Casino' by talking with a handkercheif or his hand in front of his mouth. I think Vince likes the drama...I think he is a legend in theatre of his warped mind.

I knew an Italian kid in highschool like that...everything with that kid was like 'jimmy whispers', everything he'd say to you was in your ear and he'd look around to see if anyone is listening to him, he was convinced the feds were all over him, in his mind...he was the don of all dons in Chicago...but he was just living in fantasyland. Kind of like Vince. Vince wants himself to believe and us to think he is some major gun slinger in the dark side of this industry...like he's fkn Neno Brown of the bodybuilding world. Too many movies, you watch Vince...way too many movies!

240 is Back · « **Reply #12 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:23:49 PM »

No stool pigeon here, Vince. I'm a libertarian and I believe everything should be legal. I was just asking a question on the ability to be searched based upon posts.

Those are your words - not mine!

Quote from: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 05, 2006, 03:34:39 PM

As far as the year is concerned, it is 1986 to me...when steroids were legal.... Except this time there won't be no raids from the DEA. I'm hooking people up now with the realest shit out there. People respect the fact that I'm willing to go commando to get what they need. I'm shipping stuff in from different countries so people don't have to pay overseas fees and other B.S.

IFBB & NPC Bodybuilding couldn't even function right without folks like me. Otherwise, all you would see on-stage would be some toothpicks. I may need to perfect my own physique but I'm like "New Kids on The Block". I alway have "The Right Stuff"

Vince Goodrum, you just very clearly announced on a message board that you facilitate the movement of illegal drugs.

If you're telling the truth, your clients and partners might realize that dealing with you is dangerous... why?

1) If you're selling to them, and you're crazy enough to brag about being a drug dealer, then you're probably going to have loose lips if eventually caught and questioned. And, your announcement certainly raises the probability you will be questioned.

2) If they're legit, they now run the risk of being associated with an admitted drug smuggler, and disruption of busienss should you get arrested and stop paying your bills. Either way, if I had a client or a distributor who bragged about brekaing the law, I would run. Most people would.

If you're lying, then you are the type of guy who lies about selling drugs to impress others. And in that case, well...

*Note- this isn't a pointless flame, Vince. It's a serious statement. Romano recently said it's easier to smuggle cocaine into the country than steroids. You just bragged about your steroid smuggling- and with the political climate today and 4th amendment twisting, getting a search warant based upon your words is certainly possible.

I *cannot* see what you have to gain by bragging about this. What did you hope to gain?

240 is Back · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:32:01 PM »

Vince, are you a legitimate businessman, or are you a steroid dealer?

ribonucleic · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:33:27 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 05, 2006, 04:14:36 PM

Flex Wheeler said that DEA agents followed him for years back then - training in the same gym, going to his shows, etc.

Was this before or after the ninja attack?

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #15 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:36:45 PM »

oh yeah 240 the DEA is trolling getbig because there's an anchovy shortage off the coast of spain LOL

240 is Back · « **Reply #16 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:39:51 PM »

Flex W said in a MD article that when he met the DEA agents and they questioned him, the agents admitted they had worked out alongside Flex and Rico McC in Cali years earlier, and they were huge Flex fans. He said they take a long time and make a good case, and it usually sticks.

I cannot speak for DEA policies with looking for information... I'm no fan of the BS war on drugs when that $ could be spent elsewhere on far better things. but I do believe that getbig is a resource they troll, at least with keyword searches, as many people probably do come here looking to score.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #17 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:47:57 PM »

probable cause, reasonable search...i'm ok with those.

240 is Back · « **Reply #18 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:52:40 PM »

Quote from: bigdumbbell on July 05, 2006, 04:47:57 PM

probable cause, reasonable search...i'm ok with those.

the problem, IMO, is that the feds no longer have to show a judge probable cause- evidence to show they suspect something is there, and a list of what they are looking for. instead, they just tell him 'we have reason to believe ...' and they get a warrant.

of course, it's fine when they're using it to round up terrorists. but a very close eye must be kept on it, to ensure it doesn't keep snowballing until anyone can be searched anytime for anything, without proof of anything. From what I've read on the subject, the statement made by the self-proclaimed drug dealer in this case is easily 'reason to believe' and very close to probable cause, especially becuase he later explained how he avoid detection.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:53:12 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 05, 2006, 04:39:51 PM

Flex W said in a MD article that when he met the DEA agents and they questioned him, the agents admitted they had worked out alongside Flex and Rico McC in Cali years earlier, and they were huge Flex fans. He said they take a long time and make a good case, and it usually sticks.

I cannot speak for DEA policies with looking for information... I'm no fan of the BS war on drugs when that $ could be spent elsewhere on far better things. but I do believe that getbig is a resource they troll, at least with keyword searches, as many people probably do come here looking to score.

Thay probably did that for about a month years ago. And they quickly came to realize they have a better chance finding steroid dealers on MarthaStewart.Com than they will here

Cavalier22 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:53:58 PM »

if you are dumb enough to post something like that and really be slinging mad stuff, than don't be suprised to get cuffed

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #21 on:** July 05, 2006, 04:57:22 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 05, 2006, 04:52:40 PM

the problem, IMO, is that the feds no longer have to show a judge probable cause- evidence to show they suspect something is there, and a list of what they are looking for. instead, they just tell him 'we have reason to believe ...' and they get a warrant.

of course, it's fine when they're using it to round up terrorists. but a very close eye must be kept on it, to ensure it doesn't keep snowballing until anyone can be searched anytime for anything, without proof of anything. From what I've read on the subject, the statement made by the self-proclaimed drug dealer in this case is easily 'reason to believe' and very close to probable cause, especially becuase he later explained how he avoid detection.

you think federal judges are like IFBB judges?

Adam Empire · « **Reply #22 on:** July 05, 2006, 06:47:33 PM »

This is yet another reason I am a lifelong natural. Why even bother to put yourself through this type of crap?

Anabolic Outlaw · « **Reply #23 on:** July 05, 2006, 08:23:18 PM »

This 60 second audio clip www.musclemissions.org/phone_tap_two.swf is part of a call that lasted for ten minutes leading to a search warrant for steroids and other drugs.

You will hear the government agents testing their equipment prior to the call.

Just click on the HUGE red button at www.musclemissions.org/phone_tap_two.swf

If you would like to read the full story about phone taps, video surveillance and search warrants pertaining to this audio clip, you may go here www.musclemissions.org/public/130.cfm

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #24 on:** July 05, 2006, 08:38:37 PM »

and everything u say is true