Author Topic: Request for GETITONY, aka John D. (Read 60196 times)

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #150 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:18:34 PM »

Leo, I dont think Beverly International is a bad company, actually some of there products are pretty good.They just use older technology thats all. Like 1 scoop of there protein powder only have 16 - 21 grams of protein per scoop .Most protein powders today have 20 to 30 grams per scoop.Also there protein isnt sustained or Time released so your body can absorb the protein more effectively.Time released protein mimmicks food, so the protein doesnt get wasted in digestion.They dont have added L-Gluamine or BCCAS to alot of there protein powder to help with recovery.Plus there product like there GH Ptroduct in capsules, and there Creatine Phosphate are out dated, its 1996 technology.I think Beverly International is a reputable company, I just think they need to advance there product line a little bit more.I didnt mean to bash them earlier but GH15 kind of backed me inot a corner.Beverly is better then most proteins out there, but they definalty arent the best.They just need to upgrade, and make there products more cutting edge ,because there have been alot of advancements in sports nutrition over the years.If they just made there protein Time released, and added Digestive enzymes, and maybe L-Glutamine as well as more protein per serving it would be a great product.Lastly if they got rid of there GH product, updated there creatine product, improved there Lean Out product and did away with that Muscle Synergy product.If you like Beverly International products stick with them, but in my opinion I think they need to do some updating thats all

240 is Back · « **Reply #151 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:20:13 PM »

Mad props to John D of EXTREME LABS for sponsoring the Mr GetBig contest@

www.MrgetBig.com

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #152 on:** July 14, 2006, 11:40:54 AM »

Yes I am sponsoring the Mr Getbig.If any of you fellas have any technical questions about dieting ,carb depelting or carb loading, or what ever I will gladly answer all your questions.Lets make this a good show

castor troy · « **Reply #153 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:51:39 PM »

Hi again. This is sorta off topic but.. do you think theres any natural bodybuilder who attained pro status naturally from the 60s to now then they started using. I guess my real question is who do you think is gifted genetically for bodybuilding. The normal range for test level is around 200-900 deciliters per nanograms. I was wondering if theres a direct correlation between gifted natural bodybuilders and high levels of test or say if someone is at 400 can stilll grow just as good and as fast as someone around 900 because of receptors and other things. So say if this 400 guy starts using.. would he be respond better to gear? This is just hypothetical as we know there are other variables but lets say theoretically those are the only variables present and other things are controlled.

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #154 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:45:24 PM »

Castor this is a very good question, and I know alot of people will argue with me on this one, but thats okay.I naturally have high testesterone level, not only because it was tested, butbut how big I got.I got to 255 lbs totally drug free, after 13 years of training and benched pressed 500 lbs and curled 225 for 4 reps .All the men in my family are 5'9" 5'11 "and all weigh 250 lbs +and none of them touched a weight in there life.My father smoked for 48 years, was an architectual designed never ever worked out and had almost 18" arms,as well as a 52" chest.So I naturally had high testosterone, yet when I injected Testosterone into my body, I would only gain 8-12 lbs tops,even on my first cycle.Then you have a friend of mine who was 160lbs and was very weak ,obviously genetically had low testosterone levels.Get on a cycle and would gain 35 lbs like it was nothing .Then you have Ronnie Coleman who turned Pro all natural, he was only 198lbs when he turned pro .He obviously has high testosterone levels when get on his first cycle and I think he said he gained 30 lbs.I think naturally if I guy has high testosterone levels he will go alot far as a natural athlete.Now when it comes to anabolics it doesnt matter what your natural levels are so much as how your receptors respond to testosterone or anabolics.There are athletes like Keven Leverone who would be like 210 lbs off season, and come inot a show at 250 lbs.I know Kevein had geneticaly high testosterone by the way he looked before he even stated anabolics.It all how your receptors respond to the anabolic your taking in .Also you have to take to account that not all guys respend well to the same type of testosterone .I respond well to Sustaonon, and a friend of mines body works better with propinate.So its how well your receptors respong to testosterone levels more then what your natural testosterone levels are.

ronian · « **Reply #155 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:02:51 PM »

Hi John, thanks for answering all the questions posted thus far frankly and openly. My question is in regards to L-Glutamine. I see you highly recommend this supp and reference studies done which show the positive results attained using glutamine, however, I have read that there are many studies which show glutamine is basically worthless when it comes to helping with muscle recovery. What are you thoughts on this? Thanks again.

gh15 · « **Reply #156 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:24:05 PM »

Quote from: GetItOnNY on July 14, 2006, 01:45:24 PM

Castor this is a very good question, and I know alot of people will argue with me on this one, but thats okay.I naturally have high testesterone level, not only because it was tested, butbut how big I got.I got to 255 lbs totally drug free, after 13 years of training and benched pressed 500 lbs and curled 225 for 4 reps .All the men in my family are 5'9" 5'11 "and all weigh 250 lbs +and none of them touched a weight in there life.My father smoked for 48 years, was an architectual designed never ever worked out and had almost 18" arms,as well as a 52" chest.So I naturally had high testosterone, yet when I injected Testosterone into my body, I would only gain 8-12 lbs tops,even on my first cycle.Then you have a friend of mine who was 160lbs and was very weak ,obviously genetically had low testosterone levels.Get on a cycle and would gain 35 lbs like it was nothing .Then you have Ronnie Coleman who turned Pro all natural, he was only 198lbs when he turned pro .He obviously has high testosterone levels when get on his first cycle and I think he said he gained 30 lbs.I think naturally if I guy has high testosterone levels he will go alot far as a natural athlete.Now when it comes to anabolics it doesnt matter what your natural levels are so much as how your receptors respond to testosterone or anabolics.There are athletes like Keven Leverone who would be like 210 lbs off season, and come inot a show at 250 lbs.I know Kevein had geneticaly high testosterone by the way he looked before he even stated anabolics.It all how your receptors respond to the anabolic your taking in .Also you have to take to account that not all guys respend well to the same type of testosterone .I respond well to Sustaonon, and a friend of mines body works better with propinate.So its how well your receptors respong to testosterone levels more then what your natural testosterone levels are.

1) the only thing "high" natural testosterone levels will result in is: being hairy. you my friend DONT HAVE HAIR! head included. but according to past pics you were never hairy.

2) having high natural testosterone level will NEVER EVER NEVER result in even 1/10 of 1 injectable amp of testosterone/day. you are as human as all of us.

3) 5'9 is not big. 6'5 is. alex is big! 5'9 is average. 5'8 and under is short and small framed. 250 at 5'9 with no hormones is fat as in fatzo.

4) IF the subject has high end (not average high,,,HIGH) of natural testosterone levels,, he will have a lot more distinctive face features than you (longer and wider jaw, deeper and more distinctive facial features,nails will be super flat,,exp:antonio banderas, tony danza) this will point to an almost perfect ratio of very high NATURAL test (within limit ofcourse!!) in relashion to estrogen produced by his body

5) ron colman was on gear long before he got his pro card. all through the football/powerlifting years he was on gear. he started gh and slin when he reached high cometetive levels at around 210-220lb

6) inorder to show you how much i am right i suggest you post a picture of yourself from age 16-17 so it is demonstrated.

7) i got your pm and i have no problem with you what so ever. i just consider and respect my proffession way too much and this is the reason i am here with no blue stars.

gh15 · « **Reply #157 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:26:11 PM »

by the way this will be the last time i go on this thread of yours no matter if what you say is reality or not. you have the right to post whatever you want here,,,let others decide.

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #158 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:51:17 PM »

GH 15 what alot of what you said is correct.For you information I am genetically very hairy and so is my father.I have to literally shave me chest and arms daily .I have been shaving my body since I was 18.The only reason I shaved my head is I was slightly balding in the bcak of my head other wise I have a full head of hair.Plus once I shaved my head I didnt want to have hair on my head anymore. I even have to shave my upper back and shoulders every 3 days .Secondly when I was natural and I weighed 250 lbs, my bodyfat was no higher then 10% because I have a very fast metabolism.I have extremely big bones, my wrists are 8" in diameter, and my hands are huge.I can palm a basketball, lol.My hands are literally as big as a man who is around 6'4-6'5" .Lastly my father had a little bit of a stomach, but he was by all means not fat.He was built like a bear, broad stocky, and very strong.I have seen my father pick up engines and transmission from cars back in the 1970"s and carry them accross the garage.My Uncle Robert who was a big man and benched 500 lbs, couldnt beleive my fathers natural strength.All my relavitves where Stocky Italian men from Naples.My cousin who is also a bodybuilder, hasnt taken a cycle in 2 years and weighs 275 lbs and his body fat isnt over 10%..I am not 5"9 I am around 6 ft

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #159 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:01:08 PM »

Ronian ,L-Glutamine is the most over looked supplement out there.Did you know 60% of the free form amino acids floating in your skeletal muscle are from L-Glutamine .Also L-Glutamine plays a big role in the body metabolising protein better.I would pick L-Glutamaine over almost any other supplemnt besides a good protein powder.I would take a minimum of 30-40 grams of L-Glutamine per day.I would take a tablespoon in the morning, and tablespoon right after training, and a table spoon before bed.To make the L-Glutamine more effective I would add a teaspoon of Branched Chain Amnino acids in powder form every time you take L-Glutamine .The 2 most impotant supplements are a good protein powder and L-Gluamine.The best types of protein powders are the ones that contain protein from diffrent sources.Like one that contains Milk Isolate, Whey Isolate, Whey concentrates, Beta Caseins , and Egg white.This way it will have a sustained release and have a broad amino acid spectrum

alexxx · « **Reply #160 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:04:30 PM »

Cool so there is a reason for all of that hair on me! I wonder how much my test levels are.. 1500?

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #161 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:39:48 PM »

Alex you are a true character

alexxx · « **Reply #162 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:40:52 PM »

Quote from: GetItOnNY on July 14, 2006, 03:39:48 PM

Alex you are a true character

Errr thanks I think.

the choad · « **Reply #163 on:** July 14, 2006, 04:07:37 PM »

Quote from: alexxx on July 14, 2006, 03:04:30 PM

Cool so there is a reason for all of that hair on me! I wonder how much my test levels are.. 1500?

Alex i bet your natural test levels are over 1000ng/dl with free test being in the 60 ng/dl range

alexxx · « **Reply #164 on:** July 14, 2006, 04:20:14 PM »

Quote from: the choad on July 14, 2006, 04:07:37 PM

Alex i bet your natural test levels are over 1000ng/dl with free test being in the 60 ng/dl range

Cool so do I just bring those stats to whomever is in charge of the contest with a doctor's note that they are naturally high levels and not caused from juicing?

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #165 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:00:21 PM »

Choad, I think Alex might have a higher amount of estrogen going on here.He tels people how pretty he is and he posted a pic of a guy he trains with.Just a thought

alexxx · « **Reply #166 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:01:16 PM »

Quote from: GetItOnNY on July 14, 2006, 05:00:21 PM

Choad, I think Alex might have a higher amount of estrogen going on here.He tels people how pretty he is and he posted a pic of a guy he trains with.Just a thought

hahaha your jaleous their are 3 naturals that can blow you away! (I got another training partner)

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #167 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:09:49 PM »

Oh god please Alex, I am 265 lbs now and I havent took anabolics in over a year.My bodyfat is probably around 7% so trust me they couldnt beat me.I was just joking with you, but if you want I will put my posing trunks back on and do some damage, lol

alexxx · « **Reply #168 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:13:53 PM »

Quote from: GetItOnNY on July 14, 2006, 05:09:49 PM

Oh god please Alex, I am 265 lbs now and I havent took anabolics in over a year.My bodyfat is probably around 7% so trust me they couldnt beat me.I was just joking with you, but if you want I will put my posing trunks back on and do some damage, lol

hahaha it doesn't matter. There are plenty of bigger guys but not all of them have the shape. either way I am kidding. My other natural friend has a bad case of gyno!

But me and chinaboy can take you!

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #169 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:20:03 PM »

Okay what ever you say Alex, I am 5'11 265lbs and lean, and a natural guy can beat, lol if you say so.Technically I am natural because in Team Universe you only have to be one year drug free.I sure hope there are alot of guys bigger then me, lol,I havent used anabolics or even clomed or HCG in a year.So my test levels are probably in the dirt, lol On my last cycle, last July I didnt even use HCG or Clomed to kick my body back in.If I doeted down right now I could stil get on stage at 240 lbs ,and be hard

michael arvilla · « **Reply #170 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:22:16 PM »

Quote from: GetItOnNY on July 13, 2006, 01:23:13 PM

Mike whats up? You looked great for your show, I am suprised how much you came down, good job .
As far as competing goes for now I am semi-retired.I am almost 39 years young, and I got tired of carrying around 275-290 lbs off season for 5 years straight.I havent done a cycle since july 2005 for the USA and I maintained 272lbs until recently .I have been eating alot less, and I think im down to 260 lbs now.I plan to get down to 240 lbs and staying lean , for now.When you 5'11" and 280 lbs and fairly lean its hard to walk up stairs, and even buy clothes.I would by xxxl and they would fit tight in the arms and chest.Then when it came to pants my waist was a 34" but my legs got so big I had to buy a 42" pants and wear a belt.Plus bodybuilding on a national level is a full time job.The main reason is I didnt want to take insulin , GH or more anabolics .I had decent size, but at 258 lbs the judges thought I needed an extra 15-20 lbs to fill out my frame.That would mean I would have to use more drugs, and proably use insulin aswell.I never id or wanted to use insulin, if you know anything about chemistry its pretty dangerous stuff. I am succesful I have a wonderful wife, and I have alot to live for.So for now I am going to just train hard stay in shape and work with my endorsed athletes.Maybe when I turn 40 I will hit the masters nationals.Until then I am just am just keep formulating and running my biz.
Mike when are you and Cheri going to get married?

thanks!!
(i think you would kick ass in the Masters class,i hear ya tho with the drugs/health/and too expensive,
i can't believe 258 lbs on a 5ft11" frame could be considered small by the judges
in the pics i saw you looked thick and dense..................
yea i gotta put a ring on that girls finger soon!)
peace................... .Mike

alexxx · « **Reply #171 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:27:42 PM »

Quote from: GetItOnNY on July 14, 2006, 05:20:03 PM

Okay what ever you say Alex, I am 5'11 265lbs and lean, and a natural guy can beat, lol if you say so.Technically I am natural because in Team Universe you only have to be one year drug free.I sure hope there are alot of guys bigger then me, lol,I havent used anabolics or even clomed or HCG in a year.So my test levels are probably in the dirt, lol On my last cycle, last July I didnt even use HCG or Clomed to kick my body back in.If I doeted down right now I could stil get on stage at 240 lbs ,and be hard

Bro you have unlimited supplies of God knows what supplements. All we have is a bit of food and protein as supplements. If we where on all the things you are on and did a cycle in the past then I am sure my friend would be around your weight naturally and I would be over 300.

But still you are a big boy!

GetItOnNY · « **Reply #172 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:59:24 PM »

Alex, be over 300 come on, all the supplements in the world couldnt get you over 300 naturally, lol.To be honest with you I am not using really any supplements at all now, because I am trying to get down to 240 lbs.So I am trying to lose muscle, lol, I am tired of carrying 275-290lbs off season, so I am just trying to have just a nice physique.I carried an average of 280 lbs for 5 years, and it gets tiring walking up stairs, and trying to find clothes that fit.I love bodybuilding, but for now I am semi -retired

castor troy · « **Reply #173 on:** July 15, 2006, 02:02:25 AM »

Thanks again John for your responses. I have another question that may have been talked about before but I bet alot of naturals still think about this once in a while. Say a natural guy like yourself back then decided to use and then gained good quality, solid 30-40 lbs after using. Besides loss of water would you lose all of the mass that you gained after you quit using (say within 3-4 months) even if you eat right and workout right naturally? I know the answer is probably case by case based but seems like for you you still retain alot of what you gained from the stuff. But to carry all that mass requires high maintenance. Is the maintenance level higher now that you are natural and need to maintain that amount of muscularity than when you were using?

Most naturals will automatically say no way you can retain any of that because your test level was never that high to begin with and that determines the capacity one can gain muscle mass. However, if they argue that way it seems as if everyone is destined to gain only certain amount of muscle and stop right there like they have reached their genetic limit or potential. Is that the sad truth?

We hear that naturals have to be more patient because the gains are slower. But what bout those people who trained 7-8 years naturally and can just not grow anymore no matter what they try cept for drugs? Is it really slower or is it because they have almost reached their natural genetic limit and its even harder to add few more ounces of muscle because they are so close to the ceiling.

I know some ifbb pros start using since their 18-22s so they wont be able to answer this question because they havent given themselves more years to workout naturally to reach that ceiling but since you have been on both sides of the fence I think you understand this more than most people do.

dr.chimps · « **Reply #174 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:42:32 AM »

I agree with the rest here: Thank you, John, for being so patient and indulging us with answers to, seemingly, trite questions. I have one, if I may. I'm an older lifter who lately has been supplementing my natural decline in test with M1T, with great (amazing, even) success. Now my question is about Gaspari prods., which you briefly mentioned in another post. I have a line on both the Methyl-D Xtreme and the Halodrol. Could you give me a bit of detail (anabolic vs. androgenic properties, etc.) on each and perhaps your thoughts thereof.

I would be most appreciative. Thank you, Mike