Request for GETITONY, aka John D.

[the choad]

I agree with the rest here: Thank you, John, for being so patient and indulging us with answers to, seemingly, trite questions. I have one, if I may. I'm an older lifter who lately has been supplementing my natural decline in test with M1T, with great (amazing, even) success. Now my question is about Gaspari prods., which you briefly mentioned in another post. I have a line on both the Methyl-D Xtreme and the Halodrol. Could you give me a bit of detail (anabolic vs. androgenic properties, etc.) on each and perhaps your thoughts thereof.

I would be most appreciative. Thank you, Mike

those products are all very toxic..I would recommend you use injectable (test) and other non toxic anabolics..I would wager that all of those products you listed are all more toxic than anadrol....

[GetItOnNY]

Choad is right some of the products you mentioned are toxic, but not as toxic as Anadrol or Halotestin.Gaspari's Halo Dro,is a good product, and we make a really strong one called Halo Test Depot.Also Legal Gear has a couple of pretty good ones as well.
NOW READ THIS IS YOU ARE NATURAL AND USING ORAL PRO-HORMONE TYPE SUPPLEMNTS OR ORAL STEROIDS.
We know that Products Like M1T, Halodrol, and Superdrol can be toxic on the liver.So can Anadrol, and Haloteston.To properly clean your liver and lower your liver enzymes after using over the counter products, aswell as steroids here is what you do for 10 days.Take lemon cut it in half put half in the blender, then take 1/2 cup of Vigin OLive oil, and then add 1 cup of water.Then blend these ingredients until its just liquid, then drink it.To make it taster better add a tablespoon of Equal or Splenda to it.This will clean you liver and lower your liver enzymes drastically.I got this formula from my professor in college, who once was a national level athlete.I know it sounds crazy but it really does work.TO test how well it worked my friend and I had blood work done, and my liver enzymes were 32 and his were 37.We then got on a 30 cycle I went on Haloteston, he went on Anadrol 50 .After 30 days, my liver enzymes shot up to 185, and his liver enzymes, got to 215.Then we both drank the 3 ingredients I mentioned for 10 days.We were amazed, my liver enzymes went down to 35 and his went down to 42 in just 10 days of drinking this formula.So the next time you take a cycle of prohormones or streroids, after your done, drink this formula I mentioed to take all toxcity out of your liver.

[GetItOnNY]

Castor Troy good question.Most guys who use anabolics only eat right and train hard when they are on a cycle other wise, its like they lose there drive.Wether or not I was on a cycle or staying clean I always ate 7-8 meals a day, and trained heavy and intensly.The secret is to eat the same when your off of a cycle and to cut back on the amount of sets you do.Lets say, When I was on a cycle I would do 12-14 sets for my chest, when I was off I would only do 9-11 sets for my chest.I would train just as hard, but not as many sets, because my body isnt as anabolic.Also alot of guys who use anabolics dont use supplements which is stupid.When there I was on a cycle or off a cycle I would always use Creatine ,L-Glutamine, BCAAS, and protein powders.Plus I always make sure I get 7- 9 hours sleep every night.Most importantly I dont party at all or drink any alcohol, which alot of bodybuilders seem to do
To answer your question about genetic potential is simple you can only achieve what your mind can concieve .Most naturals limit them selves by saying I am not big because I am natural, or you cant get really big naturally.You can only achieve what you mind can concieve.For example a fish wil only get as big as the tank you put it in, the bigger the tank the more the fish will grow.So with this being said, you and only you  can decide what your capable of achieving natural
If some one say your gentically maxed out after 7-8 years of training naturally there dead wrong!!! I made most of my best gains after about 9 years of training.Just because your natural doesnt mean your going to be small or even a hard gainer.When your natural you need to take supplements, dont over train, and make sure you get alot of rest.If you follow these principles you can get pretty big naturally.I got up to 255 lbs all naturall, benched 500 lbs raw, and curled 225 lbs for 4 reps.Why because I didnt set limits on myself and I pushed my self  to be more and do more. Natural athletes need to wake up and not limit them selves, just go for it.Be the best you an be naturally

[dr.chimps]

we make a really strong one called Halo Test Depot.
 here is what you do for 10 days.Take lemon cut it in half put half in the blender, then take 1/2 cup of Vigin OLive oil, and then add 1 cup of water.Then blend these ingredients until its just liquid, then drink it.To make it taster better add a tablespoon of Equal or Splenda to it.

Thank you, John, for the response. Sounds a bit strange, but I certainly will give your 'detox' formula a try (that's a lot of olive oil!  Any specific time of day? I also checked out your Extreme Labs site, but did not come across the said Halo Test Depot in your list of products. Link?

/The Choad: Thanks for your input, and I hear this criticism from my friends too, but for me injectables are not an option (not the gear, but the injecting part, I mean). 

[GetItOnNY]

Dr Chimps , You can drink that formula anytime during the day, ,just make sure you drink it everyday for 10 days.
As for Halo Test Depot, and Methyl Tren Depot, they arent on my companies website yet because they are new, and we are updating our website.They do sell both of those products on Gerbigger.com

[the choad]

Thank you, John, for the response. Sounds a bit strange, but I certainly will give your 'detox' formula a try (that's a lot of olive oil!  Any specific time of day? I also checked out your Extreme Labs site, but did not come across the said Halo Test Depot in your list of products. Link?

/The Choad: Thanks for your input, and I hear this criticism from my friends too, but for me injectables are not an option (not the gear, but the injecting part, I mean). 

Well my freind you can always drop some test base into a transdermal carrier..

[hangclean]

Leo, I dont think Beverly International is a bad company, actually some of there products are pretty good.They just use older technology thats all. Like 1 scoop of there protein powder only have 16 - 21 grams of protein per scoop .Most protein powders today have 20 to 30 grams per scoop.Also there protein isnt sustained or Time released so your body can absorb the protein more effectively.Time released protein mimmicks food, so the protein doesnt get wasted in digestion.They dont have added L-Gluamine or BCCAS to alot of there protein powder to help with recovery.Plus there product like there GH Ptroduct in capsules, and there Creatine Phosphate are out dated, its 1996 technology.I think Beverly International is a reputable company, I just think they need to advance there product line a little bit more.I didnt mean to bash them earlier but GH15 kind of backed me inot a corner.Beverly is better then most proteins out there, but they definalty arent the best.They just need to upgrade, and make there products more cutting edge ,because there have been alot of advancements in sports nutrition over the years.If they just made there protein Time released, and added Digestive enzymes, and maybe L-Glutamine as well as more protein per serving it would be a great product.Lastly if they  got rid of there GH product, updated there creatine product, improved there Lean Out product and did away with  that Muscle Synergy product.If you like Beverly International products stick with them, but in my opinion I think they need to do some updating thats all

Dude, have you ever looked at their labels?  Ultimate Muscle Protein by Beverly has BCAA's Plus L-glutamine and Arginine added to it.  Also it has 20 grams of total protein per scoop.  I have no problem with you trying to hype your products but dont make shit up about other products to make yours look better.

[GetItOnNY]

Hang Clean , I said Beverly International was a good company, I just said alot of there products are just out dated.Having 20 grams per scoop is not alot of protein,because alot of other protein companies have 25 to 30 grams of protein per scoop.Secondly I didnt hype my products, if you read my post again I didnt mention even one of the protein products we make, and we make like 10.Now if I said there Muscle Protein is junk and lets say my Lean Mass is better, then I would be guilty of what your accusing me of.Bottom line is Beverly International makes some good products, they just arent cutting edge, thats all.Thats my opinion, and I am entitled to my opinion.If you like Beverly International products then continue to buy them, if there working keep using them.See, there is no bashing here I am  just giving my opinion, because some body asked me what I thought about Beverly International

[airrick]

GETITONY, props dog! you look phenomenal!  keep up the hard work (natural or not!)... both require hard work!

[GetItOnNY]

Thank you Arrick

[GetItOnNY]

Choad , 99% wouldnt know what to do with test and a trandermal carrier, lol

[hangclean]

Hang Clean , I said Beverly International was a good company, I just said alot of there products are just out dated.Having 20 grams per scoop is not alot of protein,because alot of other protein companies have 25 to 30 grams of protein per scoop.Secondly I didnt hype my products, if you read my post again I didnt mention even one of the protein products we make, and we make like 10.Now if I said there Muscle Protein is junk and lets say my Lean Mass is better, then I would be guilty of what your accusing me of.Bottom line is Beverly International makes some good products, they just arent cutting edge, thats all.Thats my opinion, and I am entitled to my opinion.If you like Beverly International products then continue to buy them, if there working keep using them.See, there is no bashing here I am  just giving my opinion, because some body asked me what I thought about Beverly International

You specifically said in your post that they didnt have added glutamine or BCAA's.

[GetItOnNY]

Hang CLEAN here are the ingredients to Muscle Provider, it doesnt say anywhere it contains added L-Glutamine of added Bcaas


Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolate, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein, Whey Protein Concentrate, Lactalbumin, Egg White), Natural and Artificial Flavors, Maltodextrin, Soy Lecithin, Malic Acid, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sucralose.

If they added L-Glutamine and BCCAS, it owuld state that on the ingredients.
I nver said there products are bad, I just think that they use older techonogly.Like there GH, product is something that was marketed in the 1990's, and was never proven to raise GH levels.Also there creatine product contains creatine Phosphate, which is something that was popular in 1997.Since then it has been proven that creatine Phosphate is pretty much not effective.I think Beverly International make pretty good protein powder, better then 80% of the companies out there. But I wouldnt consider then even close to the best products on the market.If you like Beverly International , an you use there product,and they are working, then keep using them.I was aksed my opinion, abot Beverly International, and I gave it.

[GetItOnNY]

From this point on lets keep this thread only positive.There is enough negative threads on this webiste already.

[hangclean]

Hang CLEAN here are the ingredients to Muscle Provider, it doesnt say anywhere it contains added L-Glutamine of added Bcaas


Protein Blend (Whey Protein Isolate, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein, Whey Protein Concentrate, Lactalbumin, Egg White), Natural and Artificial Flavors, Maltodextrin, Soy Lecithin, Malic Acid, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sucralose.

If they added L-Glutamine and BCCAS, it owuld state that on the ingredients.
I nver said there products are bad, I just think that they use older techonogly.Like there GH, product is something that was marketed in the 1990's, and was never proven to raise GH levels.Also there creatine product contains creatine Phosphate, which is something that was popular in 1997.Since then it has been proven that creatine Phosphate is pretty much not effective.I think Beverly International make pretty good protein powder, better then 80% of the companies out there. But I wouldnt consider then even close to the best products on the market.If you like Beverly International , an you use there product,and they are working, then keep using them.I was aksed my opinion, abot Beverly International, and I gave it.

I was talking about the Ultimate Muscle protein.  I even said that in my post.  The Muscle Provider Is not as good in my opinion.  Just for the record I am not trying to be a dick here, it just bothered me in the original post you made about the Beverly products that you stated false info.  I dont use any of their products besides for Ultimate Muscle Protein by the way.  I also agree that Kre-Alkylyn is the best creatine product ever.  I use the Max Muscle brand but if you put out a product I am sure it's just as good.

[The True Adonis]

From this point on lets keep this thread only positive.There is enough negative threads on this webiste already.

How much mass can you add on me if I were to follow what you say to a T?

[UK Gold]

Choad is right some of the products you mentioned are toxic, but not as toxic as Anadrol or Halotestin.Gaspari's Halo Dro,is a good product, and we make a really strong one called Halo Test Depot.Also Legal Gear has a couple of pretty good ones as well.
NOW READ THIS IS YOU ARE NATURAL AND USING ORAL PRO-HORMONE TYPE SUPPLEMNTS OR ORAL STEROIDS.
We know that Products Like M1T, Halodrol, and Superdrol can be toxic on the liver.So can Anadrol, and Haloteston.To properly clean your liver and lower your liver enzymes after using over the counter products, aswell as steroids here is what you do for 10 days.Take lemon cut it in half put half in the blender, then take 1/2 cup of Vigin OLive oil, and then add 1 cup of water.Then blend these ingredients until its just liquid, then drink it.To make it taster better add a tablespoon of Equal or Splenda to it.This will clean you liver and lower your liver enzymes drastically.I got this formula from my professor in college, who once was a national level athlete.I know it sounds crazy but it really does work.TO test how well it worked my friend and I had blood work done, and my liver enzymes were 32 and his were 37.We then got on a 30 cycle I went on Haloteston, he went on Anadrol 50 .After 30 days, my liver enzymes shot up to 185, and his liver enzymes, got to 215.Then we both drank the 3 ingredients I mentioned for 10 days.We were amazed, my liver enzymes went down to 35 and his went down to 42 in just 10 days of drinking this formula.So the next time you take a cycle of prohormones or streroids, after your done, drink this formula I mentioed to take all toxcity out of your liver.

Half a cup of extra virgin olive oil? That is a hell of a lot of fat, good or not. Won't it make you shit slime for a week?
Does this really work? Or is it some bodybuilding fairytale?

[GetItOnNY]

Hang Clean I just briefyl looked at there product line.The protein powder you spoke about seems like a pretty good protein powder.Do you say on the label how much L-Glutamine and amnio acids are in each serving?At of all of there products that is the only one that impresses me, the rest seem just okay.Protein powder are like cars , you find one you like and one that works for you, and stick with it, until something else better comes along .The only thing I wish is they had a higher protein to carb ratio.Twently grams of protein and 5 grams of carbs is pretty good.The product would be excellent if it had lets say 45 -50 grams of protein and lets say 5-6 grams of carbs.Other then that the product seems pretty solid, and if you like it keep using it

[GetItOnNY]

UK if you read my post, you will see my professor at college gave it to me who was a former nationel level bodybuilder.After using Halotestin for 30 days, my liver enzymes went from around 30 to 185.I know this because I had blood work done.After drinking that formula for 10 days straight my liver enzymes went from 185 back down to 35.This is no joke even my doctor was shocked on how fat my liver enzymes went down, he couldnt beleive it

[GetItOnNY]

True Adonis I cant give you an exact figure on how much weight or muscle you will gain if you did everything I said to a T.The reason for this isI am not a physchic.Even if you asked me how much weight would you gain if you took steroids, I couldnt answer it.I can tell you this I have worked with guys who have easily gained 10-20 pounds in 6 to 8 weeks time doing the things I shared with you.I dont know how you train, how you eat, but if you post that I cant fine tune what your doing to make sure you get the most muscle growth you can naturally.Kre-Alkalyn creatine alone I have seem it put 5-8 pounds on a person in just 2 weeks, just imagine if you did everthing else.One thing I can guarantee you is you will look better, recovery alot faster,and you will notice a big increase in strength.You look really good now for a natural athlete but the only way you can get to the next level is to take supplements,otherwise you just wasting your time.All the top professional "real natural " athletes use alot of supplements

[hangclean]

True Adonis I cant give you an exact figure on how much weight or muscle you will gain if you did everything I said to a T.The reason for this isI am not a physchic.Even if you asked me how much weight would you gain if you took steroids, I couldnt answer it.I can tell you this I have worked with guys who have easily gained 10-20 pounds in 6 to 8 weeks time doing the things I shared with you.I dont know how you train, how you eat, but if you post that I cant fine tune what your doing to make sure you get the most muscle growth you can naturally.Kre-Alkalyn creatine alone I have seem it put 5-8 pounds on a person in just 2 weeks, just imagine if you did everthing else.One thing I can guarantee you is you will look better, recovery alot faster,and you will notice a big increase in strength.You look really good now for a natural athlete but the only way you can get to the next level is to take supplements,otherwise you just wasting your time.All the top professional "real natural " athletes use alot of supplements

Kre-Alkalyn is the best creatine I've ever used.

[GetItOnNY]

Kre-Alkayln is the best creatine ever develpoed, and ever made period!!!!

I know GH15 is just wanting to come on this thread and talk nonsense, lol its killing him inside, lol.Its taking everything he got, icluding popping valiums, lol not to try to try to prove me wrong , lol .No matter what he says or does, it never works, lol .Just having a lil fun

[njflex]

Kre-Alkayln is the best creatine ever develpoed, and ever made period!!!!

I know GH15 is just wanting to come on this thread and talk nonsense, lol its killing him inside, lol.Its taking everything he got, icluding popping valiums, lol not to try to try to prove me wrong , lol .No matter what he says or does, it never works, lol .Just having a lil fun

your a positive person to have on the board,and you don't brag about beating this one or knowing more than that one.just good info and  have bumped up glutamine added 2 more serving's.been using it steady for a few year's.what is your thought on sat gaspari super pump,or labrada supercharge thei basically same preworkout,i get good veiny pump from supercharge.

[GetItOnNY]

NJ Flex the first thing I would like to say is Gaspari and Labrada, both made some really good products.The 2 products you mentioned are there only downfalls Gaspari, Super Pump 250 and Labrada Supercharge.The problem is both of these companies used Tri Creatine Malate.If you know anything about Creatine, it can only be bonded to a Monohydrate, which is water.Tri -Creatine Malate is creatine supposably bonded to Malic Acid.The problem with this is creaine Monohydrate has a PH( parts Hydrogen) of 6.5.If you acid an acid, such as Malic Acid it lowers the Ph  to the point it will get the proper reaction.In other words it they will not bond together.The only way they could be making Tricreatine Malate is to just mic Creatine Monohydrate with Malic Acid.The problem with this is once you put them in liquid or digest them the compounds completelty seperate.So what they attempted to do is useless.What you can do is make your own kick ass creatine product.Just go to bodybuilding .com, and get what you need.You will need Kre-Alkalyn, L-Arginine , Chromium, caffiene, and some Dextrose.Now take 1 teaspoon of Kre-ALkalyn , 1 teaspoon of L-Arginine, 60Mcg of chromium, and Dextrose.You can get the Higher Power brand of Chromium and caffiene pills, and there pretty cheap.Now take 1 teasppon of Kre-Alkalyn ,1 teaspoon of L-Arginine and 2 table spoons of Dextrose.To flavor it add Crystal Light of Kool-Aide.Now put all of this in a glass, and add 8 to 10 oz of water.Then take 200 mg of Caffeine  in pill form, and 60 Mcg of Chromium in pill form.Now take the caffiene and chrmoium, put them in your mouth  and wash it down with the Kre-Alkalyn ,L-Arginine ,Dextrose mix.Take these ingredients 30 minutes prior to trainingThis is a failry inexpensive thing you can do yourself and I guarantee its more effective then Super Pump 250 and Recharge.I could make it more complex, but I made it simply enough that almost anyone can do this.This blend is just about the same thing all these other companies are doing, Creatine ,caffiene ,L-Arginine ,Chroimum and some carbs to fill the muscle cell with glycogen.We make a product name Full Throttle that is very effective, but if your looking for an inexpensive creatine that is better then 90 % of  all the creatine products out there, the mixture I told you will really give you alot of bang for your buck.I think Labrada, and Gaspari make alot of good products, but as far as the Super pump 250 and the recharge, they will give you energy, and pumps, but the creatine they are using is totally useless.

[njflex]

THANKS......