I wanted this thread to give an open and honest look at both sides of bodybuilding.The natural guys think the guys on juice have it easy.Then the guys on juice dont take the natural guys seriously.So you have this rivalry they goes on for no reason.The guys who use anabolics dont have it easy, they have to try to find real gear, hope its not fake, worry about geeeting busted during a buy, and hope they dont get an infection from the stuff they injected.To to make matters worse anabolics arent cheap if they are real,so you have to spend your hard earned money on them.Then you have the natural athlete who has to only use what is organization allows him to use, which is very limited to say the least.Then he has to use alot of supplements otherwise he wont recover or grow.He also has to worry about over training ,which alot of natural guys are guilty of.My point is there is no easy road to becoming a great bodybuilder ,natural or not natural, its hard either way.Its not just a sport its a way of life.For you natural guys who think if you just use wont cycle you could turn pro think again.Remember you could probably do 1 or 2 cycles and win a local show, but a national show is a whole nother ball game.At nationals 90% of the guys have genetics as good as you if not better plus they are on a ton of shit.I was naive as well I figured I got to 2500 lbs nautrally ,if I just used a little juice I would be am monster, wrong.When it comes to a national level or pro athlete its everybody with the best genetincs on that stage so its a matter of chemical warfare.The guys who use the most stuff, and use SEO injections will most likely win.So if you thin your natural and you think that if I did steroids I would be as big as him, think again.Alot orf these guys have great genetics, and have been doing anabolics for years.For you guys whothink natural guys arent serious, think again, they have only use what they are aloowed to use, plus have to pass a polygraph, and a urine test.If its a computer generated polygraph then when the pill wore off he took the test again and he passes.The thing about it was he was honestly natural.So either way there is no easy form of bodybuilding ,it alot of hard work, but I love it.I played Semi -Pro foot ball as a nose guard, ran track, played base ball, and bodybuilding bar far is the most difficult sport.So in bodybuilding they key is to the best you can wether your natural or not natural, with what god gave you, and enjoy the journey