Author Topic: Arnold - Genetically gifted or modified? (Read 14784 times)

Bluto · « **Reply #50 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:33:48 PM »

Basically you're saying that anyone that has time and money, can take no credit whatsoever, in their good physique, at any age, let alone in their 60's?

I disagree with that, I think Stallone is a great role model as far as being in shape and staying in shape, not just for a 60 year old, but compared to people half his age. And I'm sure a lot of people, if not most, would love to look like that.

pumpster · « **Reply #51 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:35:47 PM »

Of course you think he's a great role model, even though in fact his motivation was/is entirely self-centered! Because you're an intense groupie you don't even see how much of a narcissist and ego-maniac he is.

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Basically you're saying that anyone that has time and money, can take no credit whatsoever, in their physique, at any age, let alone in their 60's?

No, I'm saying that they have tremendous advantages, which someone like you fails to grasp in your hero-worship.

Bluto · « **Reply #52 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:39:37 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on July 14, 2006, 12:35:47 PM

Of course you think he's a great role model, even though in fact his motivation was/is entirely self-centered! Because you're an intense groupie you don't even see how much of a narcissist and ego-maniac he is.

No, I'm saying that they have tremendous advantages, which someone like you fails to grasp in your hero-worship.

So what if he's an ego-maniac, that comes with the territory of bodybuilding. What's that got to do with anything? He might have some advantages, but not unique by any means.

pumpster · « **Reply #53 on:** July 14, 2006, 12:45:36 PM »

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So what if he's an ego-maniac, that comes with the territory of bodybuilding. What's that got to do with anything? He might have some advantages, but not unique by any means.

That's an utterly meaningless retort devoid of content. The defensiveness of a guy.

hipolito mejia · « **Reply #54 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:06:20 PM »

Arnold is in the guiness world of records book best developed or "modified" muscle man ever)
like Is Albert Eistein his brain was "modified" from day one on and so............

In Arnold's time all the b.b (world wide) were using the same gear as Arnold.....nobody was as modified or gifted when contest time.....

So u can call it genetics or modification, when he was 23 years old he was all ready Mr.O and one of the biggest b.b on the planet !!!

Bluto · « **Reply #55 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:18:33 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on July 14, 2006, 12:45:36 PM

That's an utterly meaningless retort devoid of content. The defensiveness of a guy.

I've told you what there's to respect, then you start about irrelevant bullshit like he's an ego-maniac etc (which proves your problem with Stallone goes beyond his physique)

My guess is that you're getting up their in age, and you need to make up excuses since you know you'll never look as good as Stallone.

"that damn Sly, if it wasn't for his money, and his will, and his work ethic, and the time he put in, and his genetics, and his fame, and his... I bet he would be an average guy, like me, Dumpster!"

b_sinning · « **Reply #56 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:58:11 PM »

Vince mcmahon is 60 and in pretty good shape.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #57 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:04:59 PM »

Lee Haney retired about 15 years ago but he still looks big enough to step on a stage tomorrow

now those are some TotaLEE Awesome genetics

pumpster · « **Reply #58 on:** July 14, 2006, 02:21:24 PM »

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Lee Haney retired about 15 years ago but he still looks big enough to step on a stage tomorrow

now those are some TotaLEE Awesome genetics

Thank you. Genetics and maybe some work ethic.

bmacsys · « **Reply #59 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:33:38 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on July 14, 2006, 11:54:19 AM

Don't have to, there are many guys who retain size later in life, as opposed to Schwarzenegger who was already looking somewhat human just a year after his retirement in the mid-70s when I saw him backstage at the Universe.

Pumpster, as usual you are avoiding the question. We were talking about Arnold when he went off roids. Not Arnold 30 years later at 60. You said when he went off roids he looked worse than most. Well back it up. He looked pretty good for coming off roids in that first pic in the thread. Back up your dumb posts for once.

bmacsys · « **Reply #60 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:35:34 PM »

Quote from: pumpster on July 14, 2006, 08:29:20 AM

Obviously he reacted to hormones in extreme fashion, a more dramatic change than even most pros. Which makes the whole thing seem all the more artificial when it's not retained.

As opposed to some guys who go off and are still impressive at their natural levels.

Come on. Give an example of Arnold coming off roids looking bad and some othe competitive body builder "still impressive" coming off roids. Back up your WEAK bullshit for once.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #61 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:48:28 PM »

Quote from: bmacsys on July 14, 2006, 03:35:34 PM

Come on. Give an example of Arnold coming off roids looking bad and some othe competitive body builder "still impressive" coming off roids. Back up your WEAK bullshit for once.

Lee Haney
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Sergio Oliva

all look big without the sauce

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #62 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:50:54 PM »

Quote from: bmacsys on July 14, 2006, 03:35:34 PM

Come on. Give an example of Arnold coming off roids looking bad and some othe competitive body builder "still impressive" coming off roids. Back up your WEAK bullshit for once.

then there's the king of genetics himself, Jurrasic Paul Dillett. He weighs in at 260 with abs when he's clean

Flex Wheeler still looks good too

Rome · « **Reply #63 on:** July 14, 2006, 04:05:47 PM »

Quote from: Rich2 on July 14, 2006, 12:50:25 AM

pretty shitty example considering the top pic is taken after 1975, when he was either off almost off the juice. and the second one was taken in his 50's after his heart surgery. a better example would be the post-op pic and a pic from T3. nice try tho, good luck next time.

Agreed. I'm no fan of Arnies but the comparison pics are not fair at all!

pumpster · « **Reply #64 on:** July 14, 2006, 04:07:14 PM »

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Quote from: bmacsys on Today at 06:35:34 PM
Come on. Give an example of Arnold coming off roids looking bad and some othe competitive body builder "still impressive" coming off roids. Back up your WEAK bullshit for once.

Lee Haney
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Sergio Oliva

all look big without the sauce

Hahahahahahahahaha. It's not difficult for anyone with reasonable intelligence to figure out.

pumpster · « **Reply #65 on:** July 14, 2006, 04:08:34 PM »

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Agreed. I'm no fan of Arnies but the comparison pics are not fair at all!

The constant defensiveness when recent pics confirm his condition, and given the huge benefits he's accrued previously from looking good are remarkable. WTF does it matter to you that your hero's now pathetic looking? So what?

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #66 on:** July 14, 2006, 04:14:26 PM »

Arnie is still doing better than old man Katz

jr · « **Reply #67 on:** July 14, 2006, 06:54:38 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on July 14, 2006, 03:50:54 PM

then there's the king of genetics himself, Jurrasic Paul Dillett. He weighs in at 260 with abs when he's clean

Flex Wheeler still looks good too

I've seen a photo of Dillet as a teenager, he was 140 tops. Apparently Mike Tyson was 200 lbs at 13 years old. Now that's genetics.

gibberj2 · « **Reply #68 on:** July 14, 2006, 07:50:03 PM »

yea... OLD OLD OLD decrepid Mike Katz. You guys are ridiculous saying that Arnold had a body only because of steroids. You see picture of the guy defated by 50 pounds and say "SEE? it was the juice. Tke him off the juice and he's nothing!" How many times do you haters need to be told that guys like that come off the juice but ALSO come off the training and the diet because they don't care and there's no contest to train for. Why would a non-natural bodybuilder want to train like before and eat like before when he's off the sauce when there's not competitions to get ready for? Arnold really doesn't care. You think these guys get off the sauce and go crazy training and dieting 6 days a week and then cry themselves to sleep every night because they lost a lot of mass? if after that first picture Arnold got big again (which he did for 1980) he would get back on the sauce and everything else like before because he was NOT A NATURAL BODYBUILDER.

bmacsys · « **Reply #69 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:46:58 AM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on July 14, 2006, 03:48:28 PM

Lee Haney
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Sergio Oliva

all look big without the sauce

Ronnie off? Get real exactly when is Ronnie clean for an extended period of time? He is a fat blob in the off season. Yates? When have you seen a recent picture of him with his body exposed like that 1976 Arnold pic? Give me an example of Lee. Sergio, how the hell do you know what he looked like if he went off at 30? He is nearly 70 years old now.

bmacsys · « **Reply #70 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:48:45 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on July 14, 2006, 04:07:14 PM

Hahahahahahahahaha. It's not difficult for anyone with reasonable intelligence to figure out.

Find a pic of those guys off juice looking better than Arnold in that 1975 pic and post it. Stop with the stupi "ahahahahah"" shit. Your over 40 for christs sake. My 11 year old doesn't get that juvenile.

pumpster · « **Reply #71 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:49:08 AM »

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Ronnie off? Get real exactly when is Ronnie clean for an extended period of time? He is a fat blob in the off season. Yates? When have you seen a recent picture of him with his body exposed like that 1976 Arnold pic? Give me an example of Lee. Sergio, how the hell do you know what he looked like if he went off at 30? He is nearly 70 years old now.

You're reaching..the point's made-whether Coleman's fat or not he doesn't lose size the way Schwarzenegger did, which IMO suggests the muscle's a little more real.

bmacsys · « **Reply #72 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:50:34 AM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on July 14, 2006, 03:50:54 PM

then there's the king of genetics himself, Jurrasic Paul Dillett. He weighs in at 260 with abs when he's clean

Flex Wheeler still looks good too

You fall for any bullshit don't you?

pumpster · « **Reply #73 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:51:02 AM »

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How many times do you haters need to be told that guys like that come off the juice but ALSO come off the training and the diet because they don't care and there's no contest to train for.

That's the whole point: he also has no pride. Wouldn't take that much to maintain with some degree of training & nutrition, the way others do.

bmacsys · « **Reply #74 on:** July 15, 2006, 06:52:44 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on July 14, 2006, 02:21:24 PM

Thank you. Genetics and maybe some work ethic.

Ok, again. Back it up instead of just talking about it. Post some pics and date them so we know they are post 1991.