Vince Taylor out of the PDI & into the Olympia

[Lift Studios]

What happens when/if the supp companies bail on the IFBB?  Will everyone be out of jobs?  where will the athletic supporter/rep be then?  oops sorry,,,good point in the quote,,,why wouldn't some of the companies be moving to PDI if the NOC goes off well?  the olympia has turned into the most dramatic edge of your seat contest on the planet!!!  wow, sorry again, mistyped there but you get the point the olympia is like that loaf of bread you forgot about and is as stale as can hell.  some more excitement is needed and if the PDI will make things a little more exciting, then it's Good.  actually though with the overpriced supp market as it is, why wouldn't they sponsor both for a bit, if they are losing out at one federation then cut the losses.  IS the IFBB using the old style soprano's pressure here?  more than enough people are going to keep buying the supps and spending $$ despite if the atlete is and IFBB or PDI.

What if you get hit by lightening?

There's a greater chance of that then supp. companies bailing on the IFBB for the PDI.

[shutupandtrain88]

What if you get hit by lightening?

There's a greater chance of that then supp. companies bailing on the IFBB for the PDI.

well said, whatever your point was.  Never said they were going to bail.

[shutupandtrain88]

What if you get hit by lightening?

There's a greater chance of that then supp. companies bailing on the IFBB for the PDI.

sorry I'm really bored, I reread my post and your response and you're right,,, What if I got hit by lightening?

BUT, what does that have to do with supp companies sponsoring both Federations and/or sponsoring PDI if they wanted to?

[tjschoenborn]

Were not even talking 2nd and 3rd tier PRO'S...were talking about amatuers that couldn't cut the mustard in some cases, where they going?

Like I have said before Bob, most of the 2nd and 3rd tier pros could not requalify to turn pro if they had to! There are many NPC guys that are way better then a lot of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

[lonewolf]

When Wayne was in charge of the IFBB there were rules that had to be enforced. Knowing and having dealt with Pro BBs he learned that most were completely uunreliable,
went back on their word to compete didn't show up for personal appearances kept airfare money and so on. Don't judge by what you perceive to be a arbitrary ruling. There is a lot more than meets the eye here.

[Lift Studios]

Like I have said before Bob, most of the 2nd and 3rd tier pros could not requalify to turn pro if they had to! There are many NPC guys that are way better then a lot of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

Can't disagree with that but is it better to be a "has been" then a "never was"?

[onlyme]

Can't disagree with that but is it better to be a "has been" then a "never was"?

Well I defintiely agree with that

[kmhphoto]

Well I defintiely agree with that

Keith,
Are you printing the T-shirts for the PDI?

[Tre]

When Wayne was in charge of the IFBB there were rules that had to be enforced. Knowing and having dealt with Pro BBs he learned that most were completely uunreliable,
went back on their word to compete didn't show up for personal appearances kept airfare money and so on. Don't judge by what you perceive to be a arbitrary ruling. There is a lot more than meets the eye here.

Lonewolf speaks from a position of knowledge.

I wouldn't agree that 'most' of the pro guys are unreliable, but there are quite a few who've cost promoters and sponsors a lot of money over the years by failing to live up to their obligations. 

[onlyme]

Keith,
Are you printing the T-shirts for the PDI?

Yes, for the NOC at this time.  We will see about during the year

[tjschoenborn]

Can't disagree with that but is it better to be a "has been" then a "never was"?

True, but the problem is that the NPC makes it to easy to qualify for the national level and to hard to qualify for the pros. You would see much more exciting pro shows if more were to qualify for he pros.

[onlyme]

I need to know from Chic what di Wayne do at the Mandalay Bay to mess it up.  If I recall AMi did the Olympia there their first show.  Then the next year they went to the Orleans.  It sounds and looks like they fucked it up not Wayne.  And I think they still had a few years left on their contract their at the Mandalay Bay so AMI ditched on the contract because they are too cheap to put on a class show.  Now that is a fact.  Why else leave a classy hotel with everything in one place to screw it all up like they have done.  Please don't tell us you were part of this.  Did you suggest moving the show to the Orleans so they could raise the prize money.  I hope not.  You are smarter than that.

[lonewolf]

The story on changing venues is simple. AMI tried to shake down the Mandalay for free use of the convention center. The Mandalay was having none of Peckers ego  and showed them the door.AMI looked for space at other hotels only to find that the same people who owned Mandalay also owned the other hotels they were looking to book. Hence they settled on the Orleans , a much inferior venue while promising the public that this was a much better site. What horseshit!

[Tre]

The story on changing venues is simple. AMI tried to shake down the Mandalay for free use of the convention center. The Mandalay was having none of Peckers ego  and showed them the door.AMI looked for space at other hotels only to find that the same people who owned Mandalay also owned the other hotels they were looking to book. Hence they settled on the Orleans , a much inferior venue while promising the public that this was a much better site. What horseshit!

[lonewolf]

What's the matter Tre? Does the truth going all the way in hurt too much?

[RHINO290]

Good point about promises to Vince but the way to deal with that is through legal channels not by pulling out once you have contractually obligated yourself. 

Of couse, this all assumes there was a contract.  There may not have been.

Okay, I am back and this is unbelievable, what I am reading. Truth is there were promises made on both sides. Truth is, the IFBB does not care about Vince, they are afraid of the PDI. Why now? Where has the IFBB been up unitll now? It will be interesting to see what happens to Vince after Sept 16th and the IFBB does not need him anymore. Truth is, Wayne had big, big plans for him, but he was convinced to go back, he was commited, and there is a signed contract, wich makes it possible for Wayne to sue, I am betting he won't. Truth is, the PDI does not need him, other than those on this board, most people in the world, fans alike, don't know the differrence between, pdi, ifbb, or whatever. NOC will be huge, is almost sold out as I understand, and will put PDI on the map.

I am laughing, why? Now all the seminars and appearences that Wayne had set up for Vince in europe, will most likely go to me. I will probably end up with all his money, and as far as a supp contract? With whom? doubt it.....


One last thing, Chick, I am also laughing at you....consiperacy thorey? Come on, you know, Vince and other PDI athletes have been aproached by ifbb/npc to not do the show, and have been promised the world..... Maybe if I get Goerge Farah to train me....who knows.....? Please Chick, be careful, I am educated, knowledgeable, and that makes me dangerous..........I know more than I let on.

[Chick]

Like I have said before Bob, most of the 2nd and 3rd tier pros could not re qualify to turn pro if they had to! There are many NPC guys that are way better then a lot of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

Which is basically irrelevant...The guys you're talking about walked the walk and EARNED their pro cards, they weren't given anything.

Try qualifying yourself for the FIRST time before talking about guys having to RE-QUALIFY.

[muscleforlife]

This makes me more interested in attending the NOC.

It will be well worth the money to be at the inaugural.

Sandra

[littleguns]

Maybe if I get Goerge Farah to train me....who knows.....? Please Chick, be careful, I am educated, knowledgeable, and that makes me dangerous..........I know more than I let on.

Interesting..no comment by Chick......Some shady IFBB dealings here???

[RHINO290]

This makes me more interested in attending the NOC.

It will be well worth the money to be at the inaugural.

Sandra

That's exactly what this is all about..... SOmething new, something fresh.

[ribonucleic]

That's exactly what this is all about..... SOmething new, something fresh.

That's probably how Vince McMahon pitched the XFL. 

[onlyme]

Wayne told me yesterday he has more gyms and business in the area selling tickets than ever before.  It will absolutely 100% be a sellout as it is almost sold out now.  You guys think Vince was needed in the PDI.  Wayne was doing VInce a favor by keeping his name out there and booking him appearances.  The IFBB does not care about their members, they are very very worried about the PDI.  So whatever they can do to hurt Wayne they will.  They talked Vince into not doing the NOC.  That is fine,  It kind of shows the mentality of Vince.  What is funny is how Chic and others were bad mouthing VInce for coming over to the PDI and what a mistake it was and whatever but now that he has announced to pull a Manion he is "the man" again.  Considering that you guys who hate the PDI so much, the NOC appears to be doing very good.  It will be a sellout and allot of top world class competitors.  So, it appears that some people sure want change and luckily the guys who hate the PDI and are afraid of it don't have the power or ability to control what the people want.  To bad guys.  Better luck next time.  And, I would concentrate on trying to keep the Mr. Olympia positive, all has done is gone backwards since Wayne left.  Keep your eyes on the ball.

[ribonucleic]

Considering that you guys who hate the PDI so much, the NOC appears to be doing very good.  It will be a sellout and allot of top world class competitors.

1. Lee Priest

2. ....

uh, Vince G?

[onlyme]

You guys only seem to know or care about the guys you know from here.  Bodybuilding is just as big if not bigger in Europe.  Frey would easily his pro card here if he was here.  He is huge, young, doesn't have that fucking ugly gut and appeals to women.  And there are others.  You guys are to close minded.  Frey looks way better than Vince.  Vince is popular yes but he just doesn't look the same as before.  And don't worry the PDI will be just fine.  You don't like it great don't go, cause it sure seems that plenty of people do like it and are supporting it. 

[ribonucleic]

You guys only seem to know or care about the guys you know from here.

The notorious provinicialism of American culture. Guilty as charged.

But it seems like the kind of thing that a sharp guy like Wayne might have taken into account.