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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #350 on: July 28, 2006, 04:45:26 PM »
ETA, you never once said you were an athlete.  You just stated point of fact I have LVH.  What the f**k does that mean.  The way you were posting, I assumed you were a AAS user.  I admit nothing wrong.  You are the dipshit who has not an iota of medical background behind you.  ::) ::)  I pointed the significant side effect of concentric LVH (the type that is associated with hypertension and AAS).  Please, spare me any didactic teaching from an individual who obviously has the medical background of the average tenth grader in high school.  ::) ::)  I have repeatedly pointed out your inaccurate assertions from the get go.  You never once even mentioned athlete's heart.  To be honest, I doubt you even had a clue of what it was until I pointed it out.  Regardless, you are about as intelligent as the average chimp.  Just because you know somebody in medicine hardly makes you an expert.  I know a professional tennis; I couldn't play to save my life.  Move on and ask some intelligent questions.  Most of your quetions and response are very banal.  ;)

I thought I told you that you were yesterday's news. 

You've made assumptions all along.  None of them have been right.  I'm sure that resonates throughout your life. 
Please attempt to puke your knowldege on another thread now.  You have no purpose here.

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« Reply #351 on: July 28, 2006, 04:45:26 PM »
Glad to see you finally admitting you were wrong, as per your quote "You obviously would have eccentric LVH; not a risk factor."

But, you're yesterday's news.  We're on to new topics here.  You were getting boring anyway.   

Also, for your information, (since with your infinite wisdom, you couldn't have been more wrong about me), I AM in the medical profession. 
Specifically, I have my bachelor's in Exercise Physiology, and my Master's in Kinesiology.  I am currently running the Phase III cardiac Rehab program at a top 15 Cardiology hospital.  I am involved in all phases of the cardiac rehab program as well.  I am cross trained as an echocardiographer, and am in fact one of two people in the entire nation qualified for the REVIVAL percutaneous Aortic Valve replacement research study echocardiographic measurement protocol. 

I was co-author of the nutrition and training section of a top selling cardiology book (aimed at the general public). 

My wife is a D.D.S
My mother was an RN (now is C.O.O of her hospital)
My grandmother was an RN, My aunt is an RN
My good friend since grade school is chief fellow of his cardiology program at the hospital I work at. 
Another good friend is an anesthesiologist
My mother's best friend is a CRNA

So....I am not a doctor, but I have been involved in the medical profession my whole life. 

I know many people who do choose to use AAS, but sadly, we'll never be able to do any research into how it's use effects the body.  This is in large part to douche bag arrogant docs like you, who are more set in trying to prove to others that they know more, than actually finding the risks involved with what they're talking about. 

I'm sure your bedside manner is as lovely as you show here, especially from your statement about telling "soccer moms" how dumb they are for trying to help you find out what is wrong with their kids.  (I'm sure you're thinking, how DARE they attempt to be a D O C T O R!!!???  That is MY job.)

Your wife a dentist, really.  Now I suppose you are an expert in teeth.  BTW, moron, please show me in your original quote about LVH that you were talking about athletes.  You can't.  I will show the original post below, so that others can really see what an idiot you are.  You never once made the supposition that you were a runner.  I am amazed that anybody would allow such an ignorant fool to work in their lab. 

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #352 on: July 28, 2006, 04:46:43 PM »
Your wife a dentist, really.  Now I suppose you are an expert in teeth.  BTW, moron, please show me in your original quote about LVH that you were talking about athletes.  You can't.  I will show the original post below, so that others can really see what an idiot you are.  You never once made the supposition that you were a runner.  I am amazed that anybody would allow such an ignorant fool to work in their lab. 

Yes, my wife is a dentist.  And no, I know nothing about teeth. 

Just like you aren a nephrologist, and know nothing about the heart.

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« Reply #353 on: July 28, 2006, 04:51:02 PM »
Nicole,
    Don't group LVH with Cardiomyopathy.  You know that LVH is a very POOR prognosticator of potential MI's.  The only link between LVH (which is what AAS would cause, I think we can agree that LVH from androgen usage is entirely different than a cardiomyopathic HOCM or IHSS) and increased incident of MI's is the increased need for coronary blood flow to feed the increased LV thickness.  This would more than likely be offset by the increased funcional capacity of the heart from the increased exercise patterns of the AAS user.   

You have the ability to educate the readers here, as well as yourself with the information at your fingertips.

Keep the focus on the real risks.  Dyslipidemia being one that actually is a potentially serious risk of AAS usage. 



Moron, once again, this was your original post.  You have no idea that LVH and cardiomyopathy are two completely separate entities.  You have no clue that concentric LVH (I was talking about anabolic steroid users...not runners) is a very strong risk factor for cardiovascular events.  You have got to be either the stupidest or most stubborn individual on this board.  Your one quote "You know that LVH is a very POOR prognosticator of potential MI's" is absolutely laughable.  You have no knowledge on the subject.  The breadth of your knowledge is equal to that of the average layman trying to understand particle physics.  It is not going to happen.  To make matters worst, you are trying to debate me. LOL  This is classic.  Stick with running or advertising or whatever the hell you do; you have no leg to stand on debating me about medical illness.  Go back to sleep Mrs. PTA. 

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #354 on: July 28, 2006, 04:54:18 PM »
Dumbass, cardiologist consult me for hypertensive management.  I am a certified hypertensive specialist.  I service a county of over 120000 people.  There are only three of us in the whole county.  I have forgotten more info than you have ever accumulated.  My knowledge on this matter absolutely destroys yours.  I don't have to go look up facts in my high school biology book as you do.

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« Reply #355 on: July 28, 2006, 04:59:37 PM »
Puke my knowledge on this thread.  HAHAHAHA.  It is funny because I have gotten PM's from countless readers who understand I know my shit.  You have no clue.  I am always available to lend my assistance to fellow GetBiggers.  Your knowledge base lends you to questions from your five year old kid.

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #356 on: July 28, 2006, 05:02:16 PM »
Puke my knowledge on this thread.  HAHAHAHA.  It is funny because I have gotten PM's from countless readers who understand I know my shit.  You have no clue.  I am always available to lend my assistance to fellow GetBiggers.  Your knowledge base lends you to questions from your five year old kid.

You sure let yourself get worked up over this, huh? 

Also, if you look at my original post, you'll see that I explain to YOU that LVH is different from cardiomyopathy. 

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« Reply #357 on: July 28, 2006, 05:10:56 PM »
What you didn't understand is the difference of athlete's heart (eccentric LVH) (also harmless) vs concentric LVH (HTN, AAS) (far from benign as you surmised).  If you were not such a tool and calling me Nicole, I would have gladly pointed out your lack of understanding in a kinder, gentler fashion.  ::) ::)  However, you were an ass and love pummelling idiots like you who know nothing, yet think they are informed.  Read my posts; nothing in any of my posts is not factual.  Everything I have stated is backed up one hundred fold by medical literature and studies.  You make blanket statements with no understanding of the issue whatsoever.  Move on and let me debate you on any medical point.  It will be interesting.

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #358 on: July 28, 2006, 05:15:17 PM »
Have you looked up Dr. Carabello yet? 

You can't just do a google search for his info on LVH and athletes.  You'll actually have to dig a bit.

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« Reply #359 on: July 28, 2006, 08:27:38 PM »
My friend, I have know about the risk of concentric LVH and heart disease since fellowship and residency training.  I trained with one of the hemodynamic experts in the world; LVH is a real conumdrum that is a very serious risk for heart disease.  If you think all I did was google, you are completely mistaken.  I have intimate knowledge of the disease process and cardiovascular risks in general.  I can go above and beyond this and bring in the Metabolic Syndrome but I will not.  Now, looking up Dr. Carabello is not something I have done as it is the first time I am aware that you mentioned it.  If not, I apologize, but I do work on general 12 hour days.  Since I have not done a search on him or her, please enlighten me.  I have already stated to you on numerous posts that athlete's heart is not a serious risk.  i mentioned this very early in our discussions. Also, don't try to deflect the obvious sarcasm of your posts.  ::) ::)  Thus, Ms PTA enlighten me for once.

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #360 on: July 28, 2006, 08:29:56 PM »
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« Reply #361 on: July 29, 2006, 06:22:32 AM »
My friend, I have know about the risk of concentric LVH and heart disease since fellowship and residency training.  I trained with one of the hemodynamic experts in the world; LVH is a real conumdrum that is a very serious risk for heart disease.  If you think all I did was google, you are completely mistaken.  I have intimate knowledge of the disease process and cardiovascular risks in general.  I can go above and beyond this and bring in the Metabolic Syndrome but I will not.  Now, looking up Dr. Carabello is not something I have done as it is the first time I am aware that you mentioned it.  If not, I apologize, but I do work on general 12 hour days.  Since I have not done a search on him or her, please enlighten me.  I have already stated to you on numerous posts that athlete's heart is not a serious risk.  i mentioned this very early in our discussions. Also, don't try to deflect the obvious sarcasm of your posts.  ::) ::)  Thus, Ms PTA enlighten me for once.

He's done some interesting research on LVH, and why and how LVH is a risk.  His theories are pretty interesting, and point out why LVH isn't necessarily a risk.  But, that it must have a few prerequisites for it to officially be a risk. 
I understand metabolic syndrome, so don't act like it would be dropping some kind of nuclear bomb on the subject.

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #362 on: July 29, 2006, 12:15:43 PM »
One contrarian that refutes what 100's of the worlds most respected cardiology researchers and numerous health organizations claim is true.  ::) ::)  You have to do better than that.  Refer me to an article in NEJM or Lancet or Science.  Until then, he has no more credibility than Duchaine and his endless loyalty to anabolics.

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« Reply #363 on: July 29, 2006, 03:20:40 PM »
One contrarian that refutes what 100's of the worlds most respected cardiology researchers and numerous health organizations claim is true.  ::) ::)  You have to do better than that.  Refer me to an article in NEJM or Lancet or Science.  Until then, he has no more credibility than Duchaine and his endless loyalty to anabolics.


HA HA HA!!!
He's one of the TOP cardiologists in the WORLD!  He is without a doubt one of the most respected cardiologists across the globe.   You still haven't looked him up, huh? 
Check out his credentials.  He's LEADING the quest for knowledge on LVH. 

"Dr. Blase Carabello, chief of medicine at the Houston Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Texas"

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/heart/9907/14/heart.abnormality/index.html

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/citation/113/14/1721

http://www.houston.med.va.gov/HOUSTON/pressreleases/news_20020314.asp

I could post links for days, as there is literally thousands of them. 

But, a simple search will tell you that he was selected as best in his field in 2003.  (his field is cardiology)

http://www.houston.med.va.gov/HOUSTON/pressreleases/news_20040108.asp
Blase A. Carabello, M.D.
Medical Care Line
Specialty: Cardiovascular Disease
Title: Medical Care Line Executive

He is potentially the TOP cardiologist in the nation, and one of the best in the world.  Hardly "duchaine" level. 

But of course, I'm sure you believe that you're more knowledgable regarding LVH than the leading LVH physician in the entire country. 

Can I see some of your cutting edge research into LVH and it's relation to heart disease? 

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« Reply #364 on: July 29, 2006, 04:28:00 PM »
Now I remember the guy.  Funny thing is, he is one of the most famous hemodynamic experts in the world.  I didn't make the link..my bad.  Interestingly, one of the local cardiologists who trained at Texas Heart (where Carabello is located) is going to work at the Houston VA.  He is the head cardiologist of all VA's in the country.  I will look up his work.  Peace.

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« Reply #365 on: July 29, 2006, 04:34:10 PM »
Cool. 
  I actually couldn't find any of his info on LVH online.  Most of it was his work on valvular issues.  We had some stuff at the hospital laying around with LVH stuff.  That's where I got his stuff about LVH, and the various etiologies.

I think a lot will come out in the future regarding the actual micro-damage to the heart as risk factor.  Things like Echo, and ECG are really so large scale and crude.  There is much more going on at a cellular level than is shown with most of today's diagnostic testing. 

But, such is medicine.  Just a few years ago, MVP was diagnosed with a stethescope.  How many thousands of people are taking antibiotics before dental appointments for no reason? 
That's like trying to find a stud in the wall by pounding your fist against the drywall!

Now I remember the guy.  Funny thing is, he is one of the most famous hemodynamic experts in the world.  I didn't make the link..my bad.  Interestingly, one of the local cardiologists who trained at Texas Heart (where Carabello is located) is going to work at the Houston VA.  He is the head cardiologist of all VA's in the country.  I will look up his work.  Peace.

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #366 on: July 29, 2006, 04:40:23 PM »

HA HA HA!!!
He's one of the TOP cardiologists in the WORLD!  He is without a doubt one of the most respected cardiologists across the globe.   You still haven't looked him up, huh? 
Check out his credentials.  He's LEADING the quest for knowledge on LVH. 

"Dr. Blase Carabello, chief of medicine at the Houston Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Texas"

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/heart/9907/14/heart.abnormality/index.html

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/citation/113/14/1721

http://www.houston.med.va.gov/HOUSTON/pressreleases/news_20020314.asp

I could post links for days, as there is literally thousands of them. 

But, a simple search will tell you that he was selected as best in his field in 2003.  (his field is cardiology)

http://www.houston.med.va.gov/HOUSTON/pressreleases/news_20040108.asp
Blase A. Carabello, M.D.
Medical Care Line
Specialty: Cardiovascular Disease
Title: Medical Care Line Executive

He is potentially the TOP cardiologist in the nation, and one of the best in the world.  Hardly "duchaine" level. 

But of course, I'm sure you believe that you're more knowledgable regarding LVH than the leading LVH physician in the entire country. 

Can I see some of your cutting edge research into LVH and it's relation to heart disease? 

Alright, i did some research on Dr. Carabello.  He basically opines the same thing I have been saying.  LVH is independently a risk factor of cardiovascular events.  Look at page 3 of the following article penned by none other.  I admit, at the end, he does state that after a significant MI, some concentric remodeling if done in a certain way may be more beneficial.  However, the majority of the article was promoting ways to treat LVH and even induce regression.  Read page 3 and the "Prognostic indicator" part.

http://ahavj.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/circulationaha;102/4/470.pdf

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #367 on: July 29, 2006, 04:44:45 PM »
My man, I guess in the end there is a lot about medicine that needs to be learned.  BTW, if you work in a hospital, what do you do. I admit, I was being a smart ass when I referred to you as a chimp ;) (getting back at the Nicole bit).  Regardless, you do have some good insight.  I want to read more of his stuff.  It seems like he is the world expert on aortic stenosis.  In a nutshell, AS is usually not a good thing. ;)

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« Reply #368 on: July 29, 2006, 04:50:09 PM »
I'm primarily an exercise physiologist.  I have my bachelor's in Exercise physiology, and my master's in Kinesiology. 
I'm also cross trained as an echocardiographer.  If you've ever heard of Dr. William O'neill and his REVIVAL percutaneous aortic valve replacement research, I'm one of two echocardiographers in the country trained for that protocol.  I also run our Phase III cardiac rehab program at the hospital. 

It's boring though.  I'm debating going back for my PhD in nutrition.  I think I would really like that. 
As much as I loved the schooling for Ex. Phys.....staring at an ECG screen and taking blood pressures all day is not exactly as fun as I had hoped.

My man, I guess in the end there is a lot about medicine that needs to be learned.  BTW, if you work in a hospital, what do you do. I admit, I was being a smart ass when I referred to you as a chimp ;) (getting back at the Nicole bit).  Regardless, you do have some good insight.  I want to read more of his stuff.  It seems like he is the world expert on aortic stenosis.  In a nutshell, AS is usually not a good thing. ;)

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« Reply #369 on: July 29, 2006, 05:09:37 PM »
Very cool.  Are you out of Houston or by chance Michigan, where O'Neill was from.  Apparently, he is moving to the fun and sun of Miami to the University of Miami School of Medicine...my alma mater.  Good move and a pretty cool city.  Get your PhD and then you can go on the lecture circuit to all the academic institutions.  Regardless, since you are an exercise physiologist, have you personally done any echos on athletes who were obviously juiced to the gills. 

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« Reply #370 on: July 29, 2006, 06:37:16 PM »
Yeah, he's moving to Miami.  I would be doing the same thing if I were him. 

I've done a few echos on fully juiced guys.  It's kind of surprising how some of them look.  Many of them have echos that would look like they belonged to a renal patient.  Renal patients tend to have VERY clear echo pictures.  I'm assuming due to subcutaneous water retention speeding up the sound waves.  AAS abusers seem to have the same view quality (even when their renal panel is 100% normal)
They also appear to have diastolic dysfunction, even though the measurements don't show it.  Many of them have decreased ejection fractions, that would appear to be below normal for an athlete.  This is where I was introduced to Dr. Carabello's work on the subject.  I talked to our chief cardiology fellow, who I've been friends with since we were kids.  Appearantly Dr. Carabello is finding things with athletes hearts that don't fit the mold at all.  Things like low EF, appearant Dilation, to the point of wanting to diagnose ischemic cardiomyopathy, etc. 
This is where I was talking about the tri-level adaptation to increased workload.  It starts with LVH, then moves to a dilated ventrical through the frank-starling mechanism, then finally moves to cellular level trauma.  With LVH caused by HTN, there is more cellular damage to the myocardium.  The heart muscle becomes "sick," and there is increase fibrosis, etc.  But, with the athlete, it never reaches this point.  So, with the LVH, and even the dilation (this is really only relative to endurance athletes) what would otherwise appear in every way to be problematic, is 100% normal for what that heart has to accomplish. 

He could get into it MUCH better, as I'm just a hack, but it was very interesting.  I would really be interested to see what kind of results could come out of research studies on the topic.  The problem is, as I stated before, we only really see a very small deviation of the norm with patients.  In the bell shaped curve of patients, we only see right in the middle.  Athletes are obviously on one end of the curve, but the medical profession doesn't really deal with them.  So, I think there is much to be learned still as to how the body adapts to exercise.  Especially the heart.

Very cool.  Are you out of Houston or by chance Michigan, where O'Neill was from.  Apparently, he is moving to the fun and sun of Miami to the University of Miami School of Medicine...my alma mater.  Good move and a pretty cool city.  Get your PhD and then you can go on the lecture circuit to all the academic institutions.  Regardless, since you are an exercise physiologist, have you personally done any echos on athletes who were obviously juiced to the gills. 

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #371 on: July 30, 2006, 05:34:13 AM »
Very interesting.  This is where I believe the eccentric LVH you see with athletes (especially endurance athletes such as yourself) differ from the LVH seen in hypertensives (and apparently AAS abusers).  The articles I read seem to indicate that AAS abuse is associated with concentric hypertrophy.  Thus, I believe you will get diastolic dysfunction (not the case with endurance athletes) which actually impedes coronary blood flow.  One of the theories about why LVH is an intrinsic risk factor is since the coronaries perfuse during diastole, there is an impedence to this flow from LVH.  Also, it is safe to surmise that the more mucle you have to perfuse puts you at relative risk for cardiovascular events (once again, athletes are a no go here as they do not generally have diastolic dysfunction).

It is interesting that you speak of renal patients.  Interestingly, for their age groups, a 25-30 year old renal patient has almost a one hundred times increased risk for cardiovascular events.  Amazingly, the number one reason why renal patients die is associated with the heart.  On average, a renal patient has a 20-25% mortality a year.  That is horrible and unchanged despite advances in science.  It may also have something to do with the fact that we are initiating older people on dialysis (For instance, I have a ninety year old who wants to be plugged up to the machine  ::)).  More interesting is the fact that when they get a functioning renal transplant, their risk goes down fairly dramatically.  I suspect that uremic (the bad toxins that build up in dialysis patients) toxins may have something to do with this fact along with dialysis itself. Have a great day.  I guess you live up north then.  Enjoy the heat as it is going to get cold soon.  ;D

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« Reply #372 on: July 30, 2006, 04:50:14 PM »
BTW Johnny, I treat type 2 diabetics everyday.  When we put them on Biguanide therapy or thiazolinedione therapy (look it up genius), we are improving insulin sensitivity and decreasing gluconeogenesis.  I have patients who have exercised and lost weight.  Hell, I give you that a few have gotten off all meds and are diet controlled.  However, I have some African American patient's who are as lean Adonis who are diabetics.  However, they have parents who were both diabetics.  We control their disease with diet, exercise and oral meds (usually of the classes above).  Thus, do not think that I just overlook lifestyle when it comes to diabetics.  Once again, you make blanket statements about MD's without ever speaking to one.  I am an athlete; I want my patient's to exercise.  However, to deny the existence of type 2 diabetes in non obese individuals is fallacy.

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #373 on: July 30, 2006, 06:21:06 PM »
LuciousFox, what meltdown.  That is fact.  Moreover, me and Johnny are cool now.  We both made some generalizations that were not quite true.  Thus, no meltdown.

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Re: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP
« Reply #374 on: August 02, 2006, 05:14:41 PM »
Anthony D'Arezzo was given an autopsy. He died from complications related to a cardiomyopathy, not a minor heart problem! The etiology of the cardiomyopathy was not discussed, but one common cause of cardiomyopathy is longstanding untreated malignant hypertension. Various supplements can cause hypertension, so anyone on supplements might want to periodically check blood pressure at the local pharmacy, or better yet, buy a blood pressure cuff for $25.00. Powerlifters and bodybuilders are prone to pulmonary hypertension; perhaps because of prolonged valsalva when getting out those last few reps. So, it's important to breath properly during excercise and not to hold one's breath and turn shades of purple.

(Note: I didn't write this; it came over the Yahoo masters bodybuilding group.) 

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