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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #225 on: July 23, 2006, 04:34:16 PM »
Woten,

Here is a linky for you:  It is basic.  If you want actual  journal review articles, I will need to search further.  WebMD is a pretty reputable site though and is usually not associated with hyperbole.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/65/72665.htm

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #226 on: July 23, 2006, 04:34:16 PM »


Mindspin, you are a little homo. What do you expect from a guy who never won a title to speak of who thinks he is better than Steve Reeves was.
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #227 on: July 23, 2006, 04:36:25 PM »
Woten, here is another link.  It is from MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX.  It is the world's premier cancer center.  I would trust these guys.

http://www.mdanderson.org/diseases/liver/

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #229 on: July 23, 2006, 04:41:19 PM »
Why is that advil picture posted on the http://www.wackypackages.org website?  I have fond memories of those cards as a child growing up in the eighties in Newfoundland.

Americans make fun of Canadians.

To put things into perspective, Canadians make fun of Newfies.  ;D

Wow, I almost forgot those existed!
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #230 on: July 23, 2006, 04:43:04 PM »
Woten,

Here is a linky for you:  It is basic.  If you want actual  journal review articles, I will need to search further.  WebMD is a pretty reputable site though and is usually not associated with hyperbole.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/65/72665.htm


hi nicorulez, thanks for your time on this

I would indeed prefer peer reviewed journal pieces if possible

As you can obviously appreciate, throwing around broad statements such as 'steroids can cause this' without a raft of substantial case reports/papers is not conducive to to this debate, if anything, its just as annoying as those clowns whom indulge in steroids willy nilly and encourage other to do the same

This issue has been around for literally six decades now, yet where are the telephone thick journals listing such studies?

Outside of the undenied [albeit in most cases temporary] effects on lipids and liver enzyme levels, I'm far from convinced about a major risk of liver cancer from steroids, but nonetheless, I would enjoy reading anything you feel might be worthwhile reading, your informed opinion is welcome mate

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #231 on: July 23, 2006, 04:50:26 PM »
Alzado did not die of AIDS.  He had a brain tumor.

Those two conditions are not exactly mutually exclusive, are they? And I've read repeatedly that the type of brain cancer Alzado is said to have suffered from (either T-Cell Lymphoma or Kaposi Sarcoma, depending upon who you talk to) is a common cause of death in AIDS patients, but not a common affliction / cause of death among HIV negative populations. Is this correct or not?
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #232 on: July 23, 2006, 04:51:44 PM »
240,
You wrong. I attended few of the post Olympia seminars and on numerous ocassions Ronnie still claimed that he is natural. Others, like Brian Dobson did state that he is not, but Ronnie always denied it. But who really cares. We all know the truth. All I am saying that even though he is a genetic freak, he did not turn pro natural. No way.
There should be a vote or something to remove MINDSPIN from being a mod on bodybuilding board. He has no class, no respect and is an absolute hater towards all pros. We are on bodybuilding boards cause we love bodybuilding and if something as unfortunate as Anthony's death happens stupid jokes like advil pic are completely out of line.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #233 on: July 23, 2006, 04:54:45 PM »
I would never encourage steroid use.

I am fairly certain, based on the sheer amounts of health problems and premature deaths we have been seeing, that long-term steroid use, especially at the level that most NPC and IFBB competitors use, is going to take years off your life - maybe 5, maybe 10, maybe 30 or more.

I also think simply being that large isn't healthy as it makes organs like the heart and digestive system work so much harder. Nobody was meant to carry 300 pounds at 5-10 or to eat 600 grams of protein a day.

And as far as Ronnie turning pro naturally, I do think he did but obviously I have no way of knowing for sure. I am just basing that on how much bigger he got later on and because there are some rare genetic freaks out there. We had a black kid in my high school that was about six foot, couldn't have weighed more than 190, but had these huge arms and a monster chest. He lived in the projects, so I doubt he was even using protein powders (whatever existed back then, 1985-1986), much less steroids.

He trained at the Boy's Club in Waltham, MA and I used to see him do nothing but bench presses and curls for two hours every mon-fri afternoon.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #234 on: July 23, 2006, 04:55:07 PM »
240,
You wrong. I attended few of the post Olympia seminars and on numerous ocassions Ronnie still claimed that he is natural. Others, like Brian Dobson did state that he is not, but Ronnie always denied it. But who really cares. We all know the truth. All I am saying that even though he is a genetic freak, he did not turn pro natural. No way.
There should be a vote or something to remove MINDSPIN from being a mod on bodybuilding board. He has no class, no respect and is an absolute hater towards all pros. We are on bodybuilding boards cause we love bodybuilding and if something as unfortunate as Anthony's death happens stupid jokes like advil pic are completely out of line.


Wow, in that case Coleman is kinda a choad for continuing that charade.  I remember it was aruond then that the ads stopped focusing on the natural angle.  LOL @ Coleman with a sandow claiming natty status.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #235 on: July 23, 2006, 04:57:21 PM »
I read an article in an old flex mag or muscle mag about ronnie and how hes a cop and he just turned pro and had never used any drug at all. it was written by brian dobson...im going to go dig it out.
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #236 on: July 23, 2006, 04:57:27 PM »
Gordon, you are correct.  However, I am in the dark about whether Alzado had AIDS.  If he did, then I apologize as that would be a very strong possibility.  Peace all.

Woten, I will look on UPTODATE, which is the foremost and most comprehensive medical review site on the web.  I will post back soon.  Take care and I tend to agree with you that blanket statements are made all the time.  However, when the American Cancer Society and MD Anderson post similar articles; I would tend to believe they have some proof.  I will see if I can find it.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #237 on: July 23, 2006, 05:06:40 PM »
Woten, UPTODATE is down but I found this really good review article.  It has references to studies that it bases the reviews about.  To be honest, I had forgotten about the risk of peliosis hepatis (blood filled cysts..I am not a hepatologist you know  ;)).  Kind of scary stuff and I am glad I never made the leap to using, although it has been tempting.

http://www.acsm-msse.org/pt/pt-core/template-journal/msse/media/0587.pdf

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #238 on: July 23, 2006, 05:46:05 PM »
Gordon, you are correct.  However, I am in the dark about whether Alzado had AIDS.  If he did, then I apologize as that would be a very strong possibility.  Peace all.

Woten, I will look on UPTODATE, which is the foremost and most comprehensive medical review site on the web.  I will post back soon.  Take care and I tend to agree with you that blanket statements are made all the time.  However, when the American Cancer Society and MD Anderson post similar articles; I would tend to believe they have some proof.  I will see if I can find it.

No need to apologize. I'm certainly in no way sure that he had AIDS myself. I'm just connecting the dots, based upon the persistent widespread rumors of his alledged homosexuality and IV rec drug use (frequently coming from those who knew him from around the Gold's Gym / Venice bodybuilding scene), not to mention the reported nature of his illness ( and the persistent rumors of AIDS related cancer), and his personal physician stating that he found no link between Lyle's illness and steroid use.

I tend to be skeptical of heresay, but I've learned that in real life such persistent rumors (particularly with such consistent content and coming from so many different sources) more often than not have some degree of truth to them. I think it's ironic that if Alzado did in fact have AIDS, the steroids and GH that he blamed for his sickness may have actually helped prolong his life.
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Pittsburgh post-gazette..... on death at the nationals
« Reply #239 on: July 23, 2006, 06:35:32 PM »
Bodybuilder collapses, dies
Sunday, July 23, 2006

A Rhode Island man who was planning to make a comeback in his favorite sport of bodybuilding collapsed and died while preparing for a local competition.

Anthony D'Arezzo, 44, of Johnston, R.I., was in Pittsburgh for the weekend's NPC Teen, Collegiate and Masters National Championships bodybuilding competition when he collapsed Friday afternoon in his hotel room at Sheraton Station Square.

An autopsy yesterday ruled that Mr. D'Arezzo died of cardiomyopathy, according to the Allegheny County medical examiner's office.

Mr. D'Arezzo had long battled heart disease, said friend Dave Palumbo.

According to a resume posted on Mr. D'Arezzo's Web site, he had not participated in a major bodybuilding event since 1997.

"He was trying a comeback," said Mr. Palumbo, who spoke with Mr. D'Arezzo earlier on Friday.

Mr. D'Arezzo was a fitness trainer in Providence, R.I. The competition was taking place at the Sheraton.


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Re: Pittsburgh post-gazette..... on death at the nationals
« Reply #240 on: July 23, 2006, 06:51:41 PM »
this was posted already in Anthonys thread................

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #241 on: July 23, 2006, 06:53:55 PM »
Type 2 Diabetes has an exceedingly high genetic basis; thus, if your mom had it you are at increased risk.  There are genetic basis for both hypertension and diabetes.  Now, you use testosterone and only test.  Let us see, do you honestly think that if you run of the threadmill for thirty minutes a day it would prevent the negative cholesterol side effects.  The answer is no.  Also, exercise only decreases a patient's cholesterol by 15-20% max.  This has been studied. 

GH does cause diabetes and I gurantee that if professional BB's who abused GH took routine bloodwork; this would come out.  BTW, even if an athlete has hypertension or diabetes do you really think they would let anyone but their physicians and immediate family to know.  No way as they are making a living doing this stuff.

Finally, do roids cause liver cancer? Well, once again you are uninformed.  Alzado did not die of AIDS.  He had a brain tumor.  Did steroids contribute to this.  We will never know, although I am sure they did not exactly slow down the cancer.  However, anabolics (especially oral steroids which require two passes in the liver) can cause cirrhosis and cancer.  There are numerous journal articles that show your ignorance.  Word of mouth from your steroid dealers and buddies is not fact.  In fact, most steroid abusers are so in the dark that it is actually quite scary that they would consider injecting or ingesting this stuff without medical supervision.  It is stupid and dangerous. 
I know Alzado stated he died of a brain tumor. I have spoken personally to 3 men that played in the NFL, including one on the Minnesota Vikings, one on the New York Jets, and lastly, one on the Raiders that said he was bi-sexual. All 3 of these men said the NFL wanted it covered up, and his family wanted it covered up also.  His own doctor, Dr. Huzingua stated that he DID NOT die from AAS !!  If steroids cause brain tumors, then wouldn't the highest incidence of brain tumors be found in pro BB's ?  NAME ONE !!!
 You can't.
You can go back 50 years and not produce a single name !!  Howcome the 1 million men in this country on hormone replacement aren't dying of brain tumors ?  If they were, Doctors would not prescribe them.

If GH use caused diabetes, then wouldn't the highest incidence of diabetes be found
among the IFBB Pro's ?   Then NAME ONE !! You cant..
 (I know-EVERYBODY in the world is lying about it  :-X)

If you re-read my post, I NEVER said that weightlifting is the save all for high Cholesterol !!  In fact, I said that the AAS alter the lipid profile negatively. That was the reason LOTS of BB have heart attacks from
prolonged use...In addition to being in an insulin dominant state. 

I don't know where you live & work, maybe in a galaxy far far away. Let me tell you what the diabetics in Florida say.  I talk to between 5-10 diabetics EVERY DAY I work at GNC. If you do the math, that is between 5000-10,000 people over the last 4 years..
EVERY SINGLE ONE of the type 2 diabetics I have ever met REFUSES to engage in a formal resistance training program.  It doesn't get any more REAL LIFE than that.  How do you explain that ????
Just please explain to me why 99% of the type 2's that I speak to DON'T exercise.
Yet at the same time, all your type 2's DO exercise, but they were cursed with bad genes ?

You cannot name ONE professional athlete in the WORLD that is Type 2 diabetic !!! 
I have spoke to atleast 5,000 diabetics at my job, and they ALL are COUCH POTATOES with horrible nutritional habits.  What more real life evidence do you need ??  OPEN your eyes !!

The diabetics I spoke to eat fucking BAGELS by themselves for breakfast !! Because the DR. never TALKED with them. The doctor blamed it on genetics. In case you havent noticed, families usually eat very similiar, and they have similiar habits. I know entire families that are either all athletic (because the parents got them into sports), or they are all very cerebral, or they are all in jail, or they are all mechanics.

Next you will be telling me that we are all fat in this country because of genetics.
It is scary that you are an MD-and you can't produce the name of one type-2 Diabetic athlete in the WORLD.  The medical community ASSERTS theories from time to time. It wasn't that long ago that doctors claimed the type-2 diabetic no longer produces unsulin !!  We know now that it was untrue.
That little piece of bullshit was believed within the last 5-10 years !!

If the BB is diabetic, then how in the world do so a gargantuan amount of nutrients get into his muscle cells ?  He would not need bloodwork, he would be tired & lethargic all the time, not to mention small & weak.

The reason for high cholesterol is lack of FIBER and too many processed carbs!!!
Howcome 90% of the people that go on a ketogenic diet have noted improvement in their blood lipids ?
Remember that and you will be a better doctor.

Doctors have also ASSERTED androgen receptor down-regulation, and serotonin receptor down-regulation, when it did not actually exist.

Let me see if I understand your fuckud up logic... 
ALL pro BB that are diabetic lie about it.......
But Lyle Alzado would never lie about being bi-sexual !!


Now you tell me which compromising fact would a person be more likely to cover up ?

You still have a long way to go before you can start truly helping your patients.
The first step is to quit blaming everything on GENETICS..
Always blaming genetics sounds very elite when it rolls off your tounge,
but it really shows how ignorant you are that you can't make
STAGGERING & REAL LIFE observations.

None of you MD's ever cure the diabetic. It just becomes a slow death.
Just like Waylon Jennings. He would have done anything to beat it.
But his stupid fucking DR. probably just told him it was genetic.

All he had to do was lift weights...But he never knew..



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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #242 on: July 23, 2006, 06:56:06 PM »
it's common knowledge what Alzado died of , just google it.
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Re: Pittsburgh post-gazette..... on death at the nationals
« Reply #243 on: July 23, 2006, 06:59:06 PM »
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #244 on: July 23, 2006, 07:28:32 PM »
it's common knowledge what Alzado died of , just google it.

Why don't you google "Gullable" and see if there is a picture of you next to it

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #245 on: July 23, 2006, 07:32:35 PM »
This is kinda funny... a clerk at GNC arguing with an M.D. over a health issue.  ::)


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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #246 on: July 23, 2006, 07:32:53 PM »
Johnny, it is funny that an uneducated misinformed individual such as yourself try to teach me, a medical professional, about type 2 DM.  I have shown you literature to back up my claims.  You have told me the second hand knowledge that you gain making minimum wage at GNC.  Whooosh....I guess I am wrong.  Read my thread and the articles cited my friend.  Clearly, type 2 diabetes has a strong genetic pre-disposition.  So, every type 2 diabetic is fat huh.  True, being obese increases insulin resistance, but in no way is it the only risk factor.  Debating with someone as misinformed as yourself is a joke.  I am sure any individual on this site with a modicum of medical knowledge is laughing at your high school biology knowledge base.  ::) ::) ::)

Here's a link my friend:

http://www.diabetic-lifestyle.com/articles/jul00_whats_1.htm

See, genetics do play a role.  ::)

Here are some athletes in the NFL who have type 2 diabetes.  Trust me, I could find hundreds of more examples if you wish.  I think your contribution to this thread is officially moot.  Hasta la vista my GNC hombre.  ;D

http://kids.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=44EFE15C-2A5E-7B6E-1A2A90E06812960F


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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #247 on: July 23, 2006, 07:34:24 PM »
Even funnier, the dude with type 2 diabetes was a three time Pro Bowler.  Guess he is not athletic enough for you, heh Johnny.  :o

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #248 on: July 23, 2006, 07:36:59 PM »
Another link Johnny boy.  This is kinda like the veins vs arteries thread from a couple of months ago.  Bring it on big guy.  This is more fun than shooting fish in a barrel.  ;D

http://experts.about.com/e/l/li/List_of_celebrities_with_diabetes.htm

I guess none of those athletes have Type 2 Diabetes (considering it compromises over 90 percent of all diabetics in this country  ::)).  Alas, there is not a bodybuilder on there; you are validated Johnny.  ;)

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #249 on: July 23, 2006, 07:44:03 PM »
And another link.  He is one lazy fat arse...no physical ability at all.

http://www.sportsmedicine.upmc.com/MySportFootballDiabetes.htm

Here's a link for a book I want you to buy.  I bet you every one of them is a lazy, obese do nothing.  Better yet, not a one will have Type 2 Diabetes (only 90% of diabetics are type 2 and they could not possibly be athletes):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0736032711/ref=ase_childrenwithdiabA/102-5804805-6588939?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=childrenwithdiabA