Author Topic: Anthony D'Arezzo - RIP (Read 100176 times)

nicorulez · « **Reply #250 on:** July 23, 2006, 07:57:43 PM »

Johnny Johnny, you have spoken to over 5000 diabetics and they are all fat. Really, not a thin one in the bunch. Well, then the ten years that I have been practicing medicine and have treated numerous athletes with type 2 diabetes is erroneous. Now, I concur completely that obesity increases glucose intolerance. However, not all type 2 diabetics are overweight and lazy. That is a blanket statement that only a misinformed individual would make. There are no 100% validations in medicine; there are always exceptions. So yes, probably 80% of type 2 diabetics are overweight or obese; where does that leave the other ones.

By the way, I know you don't believe me when i state a lot of diabetes is genetic. Here is a link regarding the Pima Indians.

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/pima/genetic/genetic.htm

I just put in my input when I realized that your rationalizations and blanket statements were completely false. BTW, are you sure you and Sucky are not one and the same (Related?). Oh well, hope this clears up some misconceptions for you. I am sure the fifteen "fat" people who have diabetes that whined to you at GNC completely undermine my professional opinion. Oh well, I try.

nicorulez · « **Reply #251 on:** July 23, 2006, 08:05:11 PM »

BTW Johnny, I treat type 2 diabetics everyday. When we put them on Biguanide therapy or thiazolinedione therapy (look it up genius), we are improving insulin sensitivity and decreasing gluconeogenesis. I have patients who have exercised and lost weight. Hell, I give you that a few have gotten off all meds and are diet controlled. However, I have some African American patient's who are as lean Adonis who are diabetics. However, they have parents who were both diabetics. We control their disease with diet, exercise and oral meds (usually of the classes above). Thus, do not think that I just overlook lifestyle when it comes to diabetics. Once again, you make blanket statements about MD's without ever speaking to one. I am an athlete; I want my patient's to exercise. However, to deny the existence of type 2 diabetes in non obese individuals is fallacy.

http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD023612.html

Educate yourself my GNC spouting friend.

Adam Empire · « **Reply #252 on:** July 23, 2006, 09:17:35 PM »

Quote from: nicorulez on July 23, 2006, 08:05:11 PM

Educate yourself my GNC spouting friend.

Total ownage with all of those posts. ROFL!

Earl1972 · « **Reply #253 on:** July 23, 2006, 10:08:25 PM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on July 23, 2006, 06:51:41 PM

this was posted already in Anthonys thread................

yes by me

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Earl1972 · « **Reply #254 on:** July 23, 2006, 10:21:26 PM »

Quote from: Pazuzu on July 23, 2006, 04:54:45 PM

He lived in the projects, so I doubt he was even using protein powders (whatever existed back then, 1985-1986), much less steroids.

guys that live in the projects often use other drugs, why not steroids?

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brianX · « **Reply #255 on:** July 23, 2006, 10:50:56 PM »

Johnnytosh is an uninformed clown. My dad was just diagnosed with Type II diabetes, and he's lifted weights for over 40 years. No amount of exercise and good nutrition will make you immune from diabetes.

Oh, and LOL @ the GNC clerk calling other people "lazy". You might actually have some credibility if you weren't an 80 IQ minimum wage monkey.

TheAnimal · « **Reply #256 on:** July 23, 2006, 11:29:19 PM »

If only this guy got diagnosed with cardiomyopathy earlier... he could have gone on dilatrend, aldactone, cardiverol etc... pity

johnnytosh · « **Reply #257 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:32:26 AM »

Quote from: Gordon_Gekko on July 23, 2006, 04:50:26 PM

Those two conditions are not exactly mutually exclusive, are they? And I've read repeatedly that the type of brain cancer Alzado is said to have suffered from (either T-Cell Lymphoma or Kaposi Sarcoma, depending upon who you talk to) is a common cause of death in AIDS patients, but not a common affliction / cause of death among HIV negative populations. Is this correct or not?

Thank you Gordon Gekko

nicorulez · « **Reply #258 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:50:28 AM »

Yes Johnny, I am sure Gordan wanted to validate you. Have you read any of the other posts? Are all type 2 diabetics really lazy POS's? Will you admit that your GNC gained knowledge was actually wrong and a good percentage of Type 2 Diabetics (10-20% depending on which study you cite) are not obese and lazy? Well Johnny, are you?

BTW, those phantom pro athletes who I linked to with Type 2 Diabetes...it was all a conspiracy to derail your thread.

johnnytosh · « **Reply #259 on:** July 24, 2006, 05:07:46 AM »

Quote from: nicorulez on July 23, 2006, 07:32:53 PM

Here are some athletes in the NFL who have type 2 diabetes. Trust me, I could find hundreds of more examples if you wish. I think your contribution to this thread is officially moot. Hasta la vista my GNC hombre.

http://kids.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=44EFE15C-2A5E-7B6E-1A2A90E06812960F

You are wrong assclown ! The link you sent me shows 2 of the 3 NFL players DID NOT have type 2 !!!
2 of them had TYPE 1 Juvenile onset !! Whats wrong ? Cant you read ?? So in the entire NFL, you came up with 1 names that is type 2. And to show how stupid you really are-Mike Sinclair (the black guy with the bad genetics) STATED THAT HE BEAT DIABETES with NUTRITION !!!!!!!!!!!! So I guess I was correct !! The "genetically -cursed african american"

was able to overcome his genetically determined fate by lifestyle changes !! Exactly what I have
been saying !!
According to your genetic theory-he wouldn't have been able to overcome genetics !!! BUT HE DID !!
You've just been owned using your own information !!! THANK GOD he had a doctor that didn't play the genetic card.

How many college players football platers are there in this country ? 40,000+, You had a computer search the entire country of college football players, and came up with the name of 1 person that you didn't even know existed !! So at this point we are 1 out of 40,000 !!! Shouldn't there be a perfect cross-section ratio that mirrors the population in general ? But there appears to be only 1 !! If genetics were true (you pompous flunkie) then we would see the SAME PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE IN SPORTS BECOMING DIABETIC as the GENERAL POPULATION !! We don't !! Do the math, that is .000025 of the population using your college football player.

Second-I NEVER said diabetics were "fat". I said they overwhelming majority were couch potatoes.

As far as Brian X, there are occasionally (rarely) people that DO lift weights and still get type-2.
Those people are either well over 50 years old, or still do not eat a balanced low-glycemic/protein/fat diet.
His father is the exception. He is probably close to 60 years old. I guess I should have made it clear. We started talking about IFBB pro's. I am referring to people & athletes in their 30's, 40's, up until about 50 years old.. I'm not talking about people in their 60's & 70's. The body does starts to fall apart by then.

NICORULZ-You are making a complete ASS of yourself !!! You sent me a link - the MAJORITY of the athletes on that list are TYPE-1 !!!!! WAKE UP !!! The only type 2's athletes on that list are people who turned into fat bastards after they retired !! James Buster Douglas

He literally weighed 400 pounds a few years ago !!! Talk about shooting fish in a barrell. You send me a list of athletes with TYPE-1, and a few athletes (that are no longer athletes) that have retired and stopped exercising and gained weight !!

You have EXACTLY re-inforced my argument !!

And you CAN'T find hundreds of more examples of type 2's, so why do you lie and say you can !!
Almost ALL the examples you found were type 1, or long retired athletes !!

Quote from: nicorulez on July 23, 2006, 07:57:43 PM

Now, I concur completely that obesity increases glucose intolerance. However, not all type 2 diabetics are overweight and lazy. That is a blanket statement that only a misinformed individual would make. There are no 100% validations in medicine; there are always exceptions. So yes, probably 80% of type 2 diabetics are overweight or obese; where does that leave the other ones.

So you are stating that in 80% of the cases, I AM CORRECT ! These people DID IT TO THEMSELVES by lack of formal exercise, and a diet too high in processed carbs !! YOU ARE SAYING IT YOURSELF !!!!
And you & I both know it is well over 80% !! You are estimating low.. I am happy that you agree that 80% of the time, genetics probably DID NOT play a role !!

Atleast you are honest-Props to You !!

Quote from: nicorulez on July 23, 2006, 07:36:59 PM

http://experts.about.com/e/l/li/List_of_celebrities_with_diabetes.htm

I guess none of those athletes have Type 2 Diabetes (considering it compromises over 90 percent of all diabetics in this country ). Alas, there is not a bodybuilder on there; you are validated Johnny.

This discussion started about resistance training protecting the BB from becomin type-2 diabetic !!
And even you WORLD -WIDE internet search could not come up with the name of a BB !!

And the athletes on your link above, are either gonna be TYPE 1, or they have retired, or they are in their 50's & 60's..
There may be 2 at the most that were type 2's during theire career !!
Remember (also Brian X), we are not supposed to live as long as we do.. The body starts to fall apart !!
We are kept alive by artificial means & medicine many additional years.. Brian X's father is probably close to 60. It is a function of age at that point !! NOT GENETICS !!
Your teeth dont last your whole life..

I hope you learned something today !!!

HUGEPECS · « **Reply #260 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:55:56 AM »

My only problem is, whenever there is a death in the bodybuilding community, it almost seems like there is a cover up as to what happened to the deceased(s) in questions. Sometime, it's very obvious, but nobody wants to come out and say it like it is. regardless, we always gonna ask questions why such and such die at a young age, and why that person(s) which was supposed to be healthy die so young. It's time to say it like it is.

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #261 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:58:44 AM »

I remember when i got cardiomyopathy back in 2001 before the Ironman.Had a virus that went to the left ventricle causing it not to contract fully.People who have enlargeed hearts(nearly all athletes in strenuous sports) have weakening of the left ventricle 50%-60% contraction is considered normal.mine resting was37%-40% but while training was normal.So yes i go every year now for ekgs,stress test,and ultra sound stress tests.Cause you never know.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #262 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:02:47 AM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on July 24, 2006, 06:58:44 AM

I remember when i got cardiomyopathy back in 2001 before the Ironman.Had a virus that went to the left ventricle causing it not to contract fully.People who have enlargeed hearts(nearly all athletes in strenuous sports) have weakening of the left ventricle 50%-60% contraction is considered normal.mine resting was37%-40% but while training was normal.So yes i go every year now for ekgs,stress test,and ultra sound stress tests.Cause you never know.

Lee,

Is this why you no longer Mass Bulk?

BroadStreetBruiser · « **Reply #263 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:07:40 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 24, 2006, 07:02:47 AM

Lee,

Is this why you no longer Mass Bulk?

Pleeeease Adonis. You know you can't gain muscle w/o putting on 90lbs of fat baby!

The Master · « **Reply #264 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:06:07 AM »

Quote from: BroadStreetBruiser on July 24, 2006, 07:07:40 AM

Pleeeease Adonis. You know you can't gain muscle w/o putting on 90lbs of fat baby!

You stupid bitch! You've unleashed the fuckin fury!

sarcasm · « **Reply #265 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:23:09 AM »

Quote from: johnnytosh on July 24, 2006, 08:21:49 AM

ALSO BRIAN X
This minimum wage monkey is also a real estate agent since 1989. I just closed on a condo on Friday and pocketed a check for $3,500. I also own 8 homes on the Tampa area, and I have a net worth of well over a million dollars thanks to my realty investments.. I bet that hurts to hear Brian X.. Thants a far cry from minimum wage, You should think before you run your mouth.

then why are you working at GNC?

jaejonna · « **Reply #266 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:25:25 AM »

Long Post = Meltd0wn.....

Johnny Tosh = Long Post

XFACTOR · « **Reply #267 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:25:47 AM »

Quote from: johnnytosh on July 24, 2006, 08:21:49 AM

ALSO BRIAN X
This minimum wage monkey is also a real estate agent since 1989. I just closed on a condo on Friday and pocketed a check for $3,500. I also own 8 homes on the Tampa area, and I have a net worth of well over a million dollars thanks to my realty investments.. I bet that hurts to hear Brian X.. Thants a far cry from minimum wage, You should think before you run your mouth.

Cool what is your website. My mom is looking to purchase a place in Tampa, she wants to retire there.

XFACTOR · « **Reply #268 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:26:30 AM »

Quote from: sarcasm on July 24, 2006, 08:23:09 AM

then why are you working at GNC?

ROFL

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #269 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:50:03 AM »

Quote from: sarcasm on July 24, 2006, 08:23:09 AM

then why are you working at GNC?

Lolololoz!

(Working at GNC is something most millionaires like to do for fun!

)

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #270 on:** July 24, 2006, 09:10:58 AM »

There are several different types of cardiomyopathy. Some are genetic but others have environmental causese...ie, alcohol, drugs, infections. Anyone with this condition should be following with a cardiologist. Excessive bodyweight, supplements, and contest prep are all major stressors on the cardiovascular system...no matter what the initial cause.

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #271 on:** July 24, 2006, 09:12:26 AM »

Cardiomyopathy refers to diseases of the heart muscle. These diseases have a variety of causes, symptoms, and treatments. In cardiomyopathy, the heart muscle becomes enlarged or abnormally thick or rigid. In rare cases, the muscle tissue in the heart is replaced with scar tissue.

As cardiomyopathy progresses, the heart becomes weaker and less able to pump blood through the body. This can lead to heart failure, arrhythmias (abnormal heart rhythms), fluid buildup in the lungs or legs, and, more rarely, endocarditis (a bacterial infection of the lining of the heart). The weakening of the heart also can lead to other severe complications.

The four main types of cardiomyopathy are:

Dilated cardiomyopathy
Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy
Restrictive cardiomyopathy
Arrhythmogenic right ventricular dysplasia (ARVD)

Cardiomyopathy can have a specific cause, such as damage to the heart from a heart attack, high blood pressure, or a viral infection. Some types of cardiomyopathy are caused by a gene mutation and run in families. In many cases, the cause is unknown.

Cardiomyopathy can affect people of all ages, from babies to older adults. However, certain age groups are more likely to have certain types of cardiomyopathy. Treatment may involve medicines, surgery, nonsurgical procedures, and lifestyle changes.

I ETA PI · « **Reply #272 on:** July 24, 2006, 10:23:58 AM »

Quote from: nicorulez on July 23, 2006, 08:05:11 PM

BTW Johnny, I treat type 2 diabetics everyday. When we put them on Biguanide therapy or thiazolinedione therapy (look it up genius), we are improving insulin sensitivity and decreasing gluconeogenesis. I have patients who have exercised and lost weight. Hell, I give you that a few have gotten off all meds and are diet controlled. However, I have some African American patient's who are as lean Adonis who are diabetics. However, they have parents who were both diabetics. We control their disease with diet, exercise and oral meds (usually of the classes above). Thus, do not think that I just overlook lifestyle when it comes to diabetics. Once again, you make blanket statements about MD's without ever speaking to one. I am an athlete; I want my patient's to exercise. However, to deny the existence of type 2 diabetes in non obese individuals is fallacy.

http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD023612.html

Educate yourself my GNC spouting friend.

You're AWESOME Nicole!
Way to go online, and DESTROY people with your knowledge! Then, when you bashed him with the GNC reference.....it was just dead on perfect.

You're a physician, you should be embarassed with your attitude here. How long have you been a physician? I would bet that you're still in your fellowship. You're an ER doc, right? Do you bring that same attitude to the needy patients you see? I bet you "own" every mother who incorrectly diagnoses her son, right? How DARE they try to talk to a medical doctor about medicine?

"If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot."

Woten · « **Reply #273 on:** July 24, 2006, 10:36:25 AM »

I must admit, that the issue of case numbers (or more pertinently the lack thereof) does pose somewhat of a bugbear for myself

When we navigate around the piss weak 'oh, trust me, in 20 years time you will see thousands of dead guys' canard so oft employed by the anti steroid brigade, there really isnt much to see

Sensible steroid use isnt dangerous

GH? well, that has been commonplace for at least 20 years

Insulin/IGF, 10+ years

Where are the MOUNTAINS of dead guys?

I think the anti gang really do need to bring the real world case studies to the table, rather than the stock in trade scaremongering that has been the main tool for the last six decades

Christ, it wouldnt even be so bad if they had the honour to admit they were wrong about steroids, much less sweeping that defeat under the carpet and moving onto [with the same old 'wait and see' canard] GH and IGF/Insulin

nicorulez · « **Reply #274 on:** July 24, 2006, 10:51:55 AM »

Quote from: I ETA PI on July 24, 2006, 10:23:58 AM

You're AWESOME Nicole!
Way to go online, and DESTROY people with your knowledge! Then, when you bashed him with the GNC reference.....it was just dead on perfect.

You're a physician, you should be embarassed with your attitude here. How long have you been a physician? I would bet that you're still in your fellowship. You're an ER doc, right? Do you bring that same attitude to the needy patients you see? I bet you "own" every mother who incorrectly diagnoses her son, right? How DARE they try to talk to a medical doctor about medicine?

"If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot."

Wrong again my friend. I am double board certified and have been out for some time. Moreover I am a nephrologist and when people like Johnny make blanket statements that are false or wrong, I need to correct him. Certainly, I have openly admitted that obesity is a risk factor, but he totally ignores genetics. Never once did he acknowledge the Pima Indian's and their genetic risk. He makes a blanket statement that they would not be diabetic if they lifted weights; that is completely asinine and false. They will always be diabetic; they may be able to control it with diet and exercise but as soon as they slip they will need meds again. Thus, I had to correct him because his pompousness and bashing of all Type 2 diabetics (read his posts bud and you will see his arrogant attitude) is appalling.

BTW Johnny, there are multiple college athletes with type 2 diabetes. Whether they control it with exercise, diet or meds is individual to individual. I literally can find hundreds of instances where athletes were type 2. For instance, renal or heart transplant patients can become diabetic from the immunosuppressive meds they are on. Think it is only because they are lazy.

You make false blanket statements that are erroneous. Your complete and utter disrespect to all diabetics is appalling.

PI, why do you have to stick your nose in this thread. You are uninformed and clueless as Johnny. If you are an engineer, I would not sit here debating architectural design with you. Thus, for Johnny to debate me is like a one legged man entering an arse kicking contest; he is going to lose as he is totally uninformed. BTW, I correct soccer moms all the time when they are wrong and off base.