Author Topic: Flex .vs. The Gift( Rookie Season) (Read 16095 times)

Here you go buddy.

I just don`t understand why YOU should be hailed the second coming. Everyone also knows Darrem Charles was shafted.

With that aside, here is the issue...You used to be a twerpy 170 lbs when you played basketball. You were twerpy until you discovered your supplements. Fast forward to 3-4 years later and now you are a Pro. Fine. But don`t go walking around acting like you are some sort of "GIFT" when it is clearly all the supplements. I get sick and tired of seeing your articles in magazines hustling the latest supplement and training routine when the intelligent people know this has f**k all the reason why you are where you are in development.

Do you know how many years Ronnie put in? I`m not saying there should be a time limit, but I am saying that all of your work is a product of drug usage. If you are such a gift like you claim and the magazines claim, stop using now. You will be below 200 lbs. What will they call you then? I think you are delusional enough to think that your physique is from hard work. I also think you aren`t right for the sport. Bodybuilding needs a new direction and it should not start with you. It needs someone without a reliance on drugs. You wouldn`t know anything about that though.

DAMN, TA with the slap down. Next time why don't you tell him what's really on your mind. lol. Much respect. Nice arms.

divcom · « **Reply #57 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:47:00 PM »

I'm not sure 2007 is Phil's O or not. We are talking about 30-35lbs of muscles on his frame which is a bit narrow like Flex. BTW...Kamali was very good with conditioning his rookie season...just had a bad overall body shape and look what happen when he played the size game. If the Beast, as GH15 calls him, shows up for #10, there is no way on this earth that upset happens. Then...you better open the books on the IFBB.

The last 3 Os are big men in the 250+ range. Can a 5'6"-5'9" man under 235 take the crown against a giant... or is Phil's destiny the same as Shawn, Kevin and Flex?

BTW...who started this good and bad genetics thing in bbing? I remember Cory Everson back in the day always talking about her great genetics but Langer actually had the better genetics for woman...as far as her small waist and nice hip structure...where as Cory was more straight up and down. Guess I'll have to go back over the Human and General Genetics books, b/c I'm missing something here in the bbing game.

alexxx · « **Reply #58 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:55:25 PM »

Looks like TA has his confidence fill from the ironage punks.

Yev33 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:03:48 PM »

I don't undersand how come people keep scrutinizing Pro's for using gear. This is bodybuilding and steroids are a huge part of it everyone knows it. The fact that Phil made such tremendous gains is amazing and he should be applauded for it. Not only did he get a lot bigger, he also managed to keep his waist down. He obviously knows what he is doing. Almost everyone in the IFBB is using gear so why are you coming down on Phil so hard about it? And all of these posts about how if he was a natural I'd be bigger than him is ridiculous. Phil makes his living through bodybuilding, he is not going to stop using steroids just to shut up the internet critics. If you really want to back up your claim then start taking whatever it is you need to take and we'll see if you win your first Pro show in three years.

divcom · « **Reply #60 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:22:26 PM »

One of the underlying debates is Natural vs Gear guys which happens on this site all the time. Hence...you have TA vs Phil now. As someone said...the biggest problem is the magazines pushing the pros as the way to go to build your body via sugar filled protein drinks and certain exercises that only the pros do right when it's really the regime of drugs they use via guidance that probably makes that difference. Did you notice I said guidance? This may be the reason you get a couple of jacka$$ killing themselves or having strokes by improper use of substances, or taking large sums of drugs but doing
lifts like a 185lb natural with no real returns from their regimes. John Brown equals Shawn Ray, Melvin Anthony and a couple of others. Then... you add in the 7 meals a day, heavy weight training (heavy weight = big muscles) and all other stuff.

Rearden Metal · « **Reply #61 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:26:21 PM »

I'd like to say that I met Phil in the Denver airport this past weekend, and he was a total gentleman. I waited outside the plane for him to disboard, then introduced myself and asked for a picture. He happily obliged and then instead of walking off, engaged myself and my wife in conversation for a few minutes. A TRUE CLASS ACT.

Thanks Phil, you are right up there with Jay and Brett Saberhagen as the coolest pro athletes I've met.

RM

Yev33 · « **Reply #62 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:33:49 PM »

I understand the whole argument about natural vs gear. I am a natural myself, and I know that great gains can be made naturally. At the same time I won't bash someone who is using steroids, it's their choice and their life. I do have a problem with juice heads claiming they are natural, but that's a whole different story. TA is attacking an elite IFBB Pro, they are not even remotely in the same league there shouldn't even be an argument about it.

divcom · « **Reply #63 on:** July 24, 2006, 07:49:25 PM »

Quote from: Yev33 on July 24, 2006, 07:33:49 PM

I understand the whole argument about natural vs gear. I am a natural myself, and I know that great gains can be made naturally. At the same time I won't bash someone who is using steroids, it's their choice and their life. I do have a problem with juice heads claiming they are natural, but that's a whole different story. TA is attacking an elite IFBB Pro, they are not even remotely in the same league there shouldn't even be an argument about it.

Who walked Phil through his regimes over the last 3-4 yrs because that is what has made him an elite pro? John Brown passing his drug wisdom to Shawn Ray and Melvin Anthony vs some of the other gear head in the gym is probably the main key to their pro rise? If you worked closely with him at the amateur level...he would probably have you in the top 5 at the Nationals or USA. There are other parts to the equation but you d##n sure cant load up on the GH, insulin, dbol and other chemicals without professional guidance to get to where Phil is by guessing concentration/titrations from jack and jills on the gear board. M.D.s, Ph.D.s and past pros will do. Someone told him what to put in the syringe or in his mouth in the early stages in the proper concentrations along with heavy weight lifting, rest and dieting.

Neddy · « **Reply #64 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:16:19 PM »

I think Phil is not just at Flex's level just yet. But in 1 to 2 years Max, for sure! Phil Heath is the most genectically gifted pro on the circuit today!! the sky is the limit! I have spoken to few people where i live on Australia who met Phil at the Olympia last year and they said he was a great guy and potential like you would'nt beleive! He has proven that this year! I even read in a local interview that Luke Wood said "Phil is like a Cartoon Character"!!!!

de Rooij · « **Reply #65 on:** July 25, 2006, 06:51:05 AM »

Quote from: thegift on July 23, 2006, 03:13:53 PM

you don't really wanna do that do you?

If you were really such a *Gift* you would be smart enough not to reply to TA's attacks on this board...Anita

The True Adonis · « **Reply #66 on:** July 25, 2006, 06:58:47 AM »

Quote from: de Rooij on July 25, 2006, 06:51:05 AM

If you were really such a *Gift* you would be smart enough not to reply to TA's attacks on this board...Anita

I`m still waiting on that natural pic by the way.

jaejonna · « **Reply #67 on:** July 25, 2006, 07:02:02 AM »

Phil you dont have the balls to post the pic do ya?

Whatta ya yella

?

(Old Marty McFly technique)

sgt. d · « **Reply #68 on:** July 25, 2006, 07:02:30 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 23, 2006, 03:38:00 PM

heath probably has soem of the best genetics around, but at a lighter BW. Same way at 160, david henry looked unfookingbelievable.

what is soem?

thanks for your input though

sgt. d · « **Reply #69 on:** July 25, 2006, 07:04:03 AM »

Quote from: jaejonna on July 25, 2006, 07:02:02 AM

Phil you dont have the balls to post the pic do ya?

Whatta ya yella ?

(Old Marty McFly technique)

dude we seen your pics you look like shit,jaehoena

i have to say that true adonis looks better than you and that is not a good thing because he looks like shit also

jaejonna · « **Reply #70 on:** July 25, 2006, 07:05:33 AM »

Quote from: sgt. d on July 25, 2006, 07:04:03 AM

dude we seen your pics you look like shit,jaehoena

i have to say that true adonis looks better than you and that is not a good thing because he looks like shit also

hahahhaha ...um yeah I have an uncanny resemblence to Collossus 1986 dont I ....Only dipshits fell for that ...hellllloooo dip shit

shootfighter1 · « **Reply #71 on:** July 25, 2006, 09:00:10 AM »

Phil isn't doing anything the other pros aren't doing. If his body responds better to training and BBing foods & supps then he does belong among the top BBers in the world. If you took all supps away in the pros, it would be the same people winning shows. Plus, Phil is a very nice person and friendly to fans. Save the hate for the guys that deserve it. I'll take Phil over the current version of Ronnie any day.

1993 Flex was the best physique to hit the olympia stage, IMO.

Jerryme7 · « **Reply #72 on:** July 25, 2006, 09:07:21 AM »

Adonis...I was at the Colorado Pro and saw it for myself that Heath deserved that win over Darrem Charles.

Phil was just too far superior to Darrem's physique.

Im a big Darrem fan but Im an even bigger Heath fan when I witnessed what I saw that night. The true champion won that night.

Phil is the real deal.....

mrsirjojo · « **Reply #73 on:** July 25, 2006, 11:38:12 AM »

Quote from: shootfighter1 on July 25, 2006, 09:00:10 AM

If his body responds better to training and BBing foods & supps then he does belong among the top BBers in the world. If you took all supps away in the pros, it would be the same people winning shows.

My feeling is this is exactly the opposite of what Adonis is saying. Adonis is saying that professional BBs are the guys who:

A) Work out out and respond well
B) Try drugs to break past natural limits and discover they are hyper-responders
C) Compete
D) Turn pro
E) Up the dosage

Somewhere between A and B is a line some people won't cross. Since (in my opinion) responding well to lifting and responding well to drugs is not exactly the same thing genetically, Adonis is saying that there's no way to know that someone like him is not as good as someone like Phil would be, without drugs. That is, there's no way to know unless the drug users supply a photo of themselves before they began their first cycle. So saying Ronnie would still be number one is only speculation at best - and that speculation is weakened by the fact that his torso has expanded as well as the rest of him - an indication that he has played the "upping the dosage" game himself.

Not a knock on Phil. He plays the game as well as can be within the non-enforced rules, so good for him. But guys on the sauce should be willing to prove they put in the time and looked good before making that switch. At least, they should be willing to prove it if they plan on calling anyone who is natural a lightweight. And yes, i know that Adonis started this one, not Phil.

I think Adonis' attack on Phil was more of an attack on the industry, and its new star, rather than Phil himself. Phil certainly has the right not to see the distinction, and I for one would not look for it either, if someone called me a discrace.

Pandora's box has been opened. We can't un-invent nukes or steroids...If the IFBB actually enforced drug testing, than casual bodybuilders on the sauce would actually be bigger than the pros. The IFBB would be broke in a matter of days. It would be the same reason no one goes to watch women play pro sports like basketball: the average fit guy is better than they are, so why bother?

DK II · « **Reply #74 on:** July 25, 2006, 12:23:58 PM »

Quote from: sgt. d on July 25, 2006, 07:02:30 AM

what is soem?

thanks for your input though

hahaa, i thought they had intelligence testing if you enter the military!

Try 'some' for a start.

like in 'some of the best'.

Sounds good?

THANK YOU, SIR! APPRECIATE IT, SIR!