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Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« on: July 23, 2006, 11:25:08 AM »
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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2006, 11:26:20 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2006, 11:36:56 AM »
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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2006, 11:41:45 AM »
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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2006, 11:46:13 AM »
the entire sport.


who the fuck wants to see that?


apparently not the fans or the judges. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2006, 11:52:43 AM »
the entire sport.


who the f**k wants to see that?


apparently not the fans or the judges. 

Who wants to see what, aesthetics? Who wants to see big bloted bellies?

Bring back aesthetics and you brought back real bodybuilding!

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2006, 11:59:32 AM »
I was reading about the 88 Olympia and how they had 6 thousand people in attendence and if you compare that to the Olympia today its roughly the same almost 20 years later and the attendence hasn't grown? I wonder why? I used to watch the NPC nationals on ESPN & the Olympia the sport is digressing for a reason

it will never be as big football or baseball but it could be a LOT bigger than it is now , this isn't bodybuilding , this is what bodybuilding has become .

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2006, 12:01:08 PM »
I was reading about the 88 Olympia and how they had 6 thousand people in attendence and if you compare that to the Olympia today its roughly the same almost 20 years later and the attendence hasn't grown? I wonder why? I used to watch the NPC nationals on ESPN & the Olympia the sport is digressing for a reason

it will never be as big football or baseball but it could be a LOT bigger than it is now , this isn't bodybuilding , this is what bodybuilding has become .

You're right..it's not bodybuilding, it's chemical warfare!

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2006, 12:03:31 PM »
Well, Dorian started it.  ;D

A better question would be "Who wouldn't get screwed?"  The list would be much shorter lol.

I was routing for Flex in 93  ;)

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2006, 12:05:28 PM »
Well, Dorian started it.  ;D



And the judges continued it :-\!

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2006, 12:28:08 PM »
See a lot of people say " well Ronnie is just giving the judges what they're asking for " I say BULL he was 249lbs at his first Olympia win beating in the process a 280 Nasser. Ronnie gave the judges what they were asking for , no one told him to keep packing on the size he alone did that . I'm not saying he has to stay 250 his whole career but there comes a point obviously that you can go beyond your stuctures capacity to carry size in a balanced way and once you reach that point you should concentrate on refinement

You always hear about Ronnies 800lb squats the last thing he needed was bigger quads , why don't we ever hear about Ronnie's 1200 calf rasies? which brings me back to my point of refinement , but the judges are complicit because they continue to reward him its like he's daring the judges to place him second , he just lets his gut hang out in all its glory , I've said this before the moment the slightest hint of abdominal destension was visable the guy should have been placed dead last , they should have curbed this nonsense with Yates but they didn't and look now its a prerequsite for winning a professional contest

anyway long before there were mass-monster and freaks aesthetics rule the day but not at the expense of addequate size no one factor should supercede the other they should all be strived for in conjuction .

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2006, 12:48:34 PM »
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Heiko isnt even doin any damage right now ...aesthetic or with a mass route...why even name him when there is so many other better bodybuilders?
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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2006, 12:56:00 PM »
Well, Dorian started it.  ;D

A better question would be "Who wouldn't get screwed?"  The list would be much shorter lol.

Actually Dorian didn't start it, the judges and Weider started it.  They allowed it to go this way.  It could have been easily controlled.  Just look at old photos of contest and look at how many people were there.  The crowds went crazy and it was fun.  Very boring nowadays.  Even back in the 80's powerlifting was popular.  The Budweiser World Records Breakers in Hawaii used to get over 5,000 people watching it live. It was crazy.

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2006, 12:58:59 PM »
I was reading about the 88 Olympia and how they had 6 thousand people in attendence and if you compare that to the Olympia today its roughly the same almost 20 years later and the attendence hasn't grown? I wonder why?

a better comparison is the second tier events.  When was the last time the Ironman Pro sold out?   the San Francisco Pro (formerly the San Jose Pro)?  Toronto?    What about amateur bodybuiding?    Attendance is down across the board.

The Olympia and the Arnold are conventions.  People go for that, and while they're their, they might as well go to the contests.

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2006, 01:02:03 PM »
a better comparison is the second tier events.  When was the last time the Ironman Pro sold out?   the San Francisco Pro (formerly the San Jose Pro)?  Toronto?    What about amateur bodybuiding?    Attendance is down across the board.

The Olympia and the Arnold are conventions.  People go for that, and while they're their, they might as well go to the contests.

True. The conventions attract a lot of people. Cheap supps, getting pictures taken for 20 bucks with Lou, chatting with some fitness chick about how her face gets uglier every year. The real fun is the Convention, the contest is just an add-on.

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2006, 01:36:27 PM »
a better comparison is the second tier events.  When was the last time the Ironman Pro sold out?   the San Francisco Pro (formerly the San Jose Pro)?  Toronto?    What about amateur bodybuiding?    Attendance is down across the board.

The Olympia and the Arnold are conventions.  People go for that, and while they're their, they might as well go to the contests.

Great points a lot of people forget or never knew that bodybuilding was once veiwed as a healthy endevor and now its as far as healthy as you can get , remeber in Pumping Iron Franco was jumping rope at a frurious pace and then hitting the heavy bag , now after hitting a few shots guys are sucking on o2 just to get the senes back to them , but this is progress so they say .

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2006, 01:50:31 PM »
Great points a lot of people forget or never knew that bodybuilding was once veiwed as a healthy endevor and now its as far as healthy as you can get , remeber in Pumping Iron Franco was jumping rope at a frurious pace and then hitting the heavy bag , now after hitting a few shots guys are sucking on o2 just to get the senes back to them , but this is progress so they say .

This is about the most shocking thing BB could come too.
If you ask someone about BB who doesn't work out, they'll say steroids and that it's absolutely dangerous.
Hell, my father still freaks out when i go to the gym and my mom tells me that all the eating is bad for me.
And i'm natural.

Bodybuilding wasn't really healthy from the 1960s on. And it never will be again.

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2006, 02:37:44 PM »
This is about the most shocking thing BB could come too.
If you ask someone about BB who doesn't work out, they'll say steroids and that it's absolutely dangerous.
Hell, my father still freaks out when i go to the gym and my mom tells me that all the eating is bad for me.
And i'm natural.

Bodybuilding wasn't really healthy from the 1960s on. And it never will be again.
your right. It has a horrible image now.
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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2006, 02:38:15 PM »
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Who cares they look like shit. They cant even win when Mass monsters are encouraged and allowed.

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2006, 02:50:49 PM »
Great points a lot of people forget or never knew that bodybuilding was once veiwed as a healthy endevor and now its as far as healthy as you can get , remeber in Pumping Iron Franco was jumping rope at a frurious pace and then hitting the heavy bag , now after hitting a few shots guys are sucking on o2 just to get the senes back to them , but this is progress so they say .

Great point!!!!!!  Really great point, man.  BB became popular on the beaches of california in the 50 with guys like Jack La Lane.  They would hang out, form pyramids, do iron crosses on the rings, run around playing sports on the beach.  Now, like you pointed out, guys are using o2 after a couple minutes posing routine.  And some people call BB's athletes, hahah..what a joke.  man, I competed and BB since I'm 12 and I never, ever, mistakenly refered to BB's as athletes.  I'm however and athlete because I've always been on, boxing, running, jumping rope, played football etc but BB is just that BB.  I used to like to refer to it as physical art, but those days are way beyond us as well.           

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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2006, 02:56:56 PM »
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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2006, 03:19:54 PM »
 based on the above statements the natural shows should be selling out since there is national interest there...oh wait


I remember ABC wide world of sports use to show anything. One time they had men playing soccer on  motorcycles.

Attendance is down for men's tennis
Men's gymnastic is MIA
Try giving away tickets to the WNBA, no one will take them

no all activity attract crowds. 


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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2006, 03:36:33 PM »
Forgive me, but what is the ironage standard exactly?



In short, it's about relying more on training than drugs, getting big and ripped without destroying symmetry (ex; 90% of the pros have destroyed their symmetry) having your waist as small as possible while retaining size. Going into the and actually train rather than just 3 sets per bodypart and calling it good!

On this board Shawn Ray is a perfect example of what I described!

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2006, 04:01:36 PM »
Forgive me, but what is the ironage standard exactly?

lots of steroids, no growth hormone, insulin, or diuretics

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Re: Who will get screwed if BBing took the aesthetic route ??
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2006, 05:41:32 PM »
Forgive me, but what is the ironage standard exactly?

The best shape wins?

E.g., if Shawn Ray at 215 pounds was at his best shape structurally, it would place higher than someone at 300 pounds with 95% of the shape?

So the main judging criteria is shape, and I can't argue "But Ronnie has 95% of Cormier's shape, but Cormier only has 85% of Ronnie's mass, so Ronnie wins."

Is this correct?

Ronnie has 95% of Cormiers shape?  ::) structually and aesthetically Cormier outclasses Ronnie by leaps & bounds , he is litteraly flawless if you wanted to knitpick he has high calves but thats reaching . he really his what they wanted Bob Paris to be big , Chris' main problem is his conditioning if he came in dry and big his combo would beat Ronnie

Chris has advantages Ronnie doesn't balance & proportion coupled with aesthetics , Ronnie has his advantaged size & conditioning , with extreme dryness Chris total package would overwhelm any size advantage Ronnie had . but the reason Ronnie is the champ is because of his work ethic and if Chris had that then he'd be champ .

Ronnie like Dorian , eats , sleeps and breathes bodybuilding and this is what seperates them from their contemporaries , while Cormier was out partying until 4.a.m Dorian was weighing every single of food he ate down to the gram , while Kevin enjoyed most of the year off Yates said contest prep for the next years Olympia because 7 days after the one he just won !! thats dedication and that what seperates the men from the boys . I remember reading about the first time Dorian trained at Golds in Venice , he thought he was about to see all these Pro bodybuilder having insane work-outs using absurd poundages , when he went he was dumbfounded by what they were doing , he made a mentall note that he was going to make all of them pay for their laziness lol later when he visted Venice other pros would schedule their work-outs after he was gone.