Author Topic: Is Bodybuilding becoming a Black Mans sport? Like Football and Basketball is? (Read 28250 times)

Knows_Everything · « **on:** July 30, 2006, 02:04:50 AM »

If you look at the most recent USA's you''ll see the top placing bodybuilders were all black.. Im not trying to start anything here, but it seems like that would be the case now a days..

Discuss?

Bluto · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:17:50 AM »

No. We still got Jay Cutler and the germans. Also Alexxx isn't black, and True Adonis isnt' either.

gordiano · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:28:30 AM »

It's not a sport in the first place.................

Bluto · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:31:44 AM »

It's not? We need to DISCUSS this!

Hendrix · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:32:38 AM »

No look at the calves of African Americans ;DWhites and Blacks have an equal number of top tier pros, also look at strongman competitions whites dominate,Blacks are a powerful force in sprinting where they dominate but sports like Football and Basketball i believe socio economics play a big part in this.
The only thing i believe is people of African heritage have slight edge in bone structure where there are more blessed with ecto.meso bone structures than whites who appear to tend towards pure mesomorphs.

Praetor Fenix · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:40:53 AM »

- If the quality of the physique was the only variable in question, then yes, bodybuilding competitions would consist solely of African-American competitors.

- However, considering the politics and the fact that rich white men masturbate in the judging panel and in the grandstand, its safe to say there will always be an assorted mix of nationalities, ethnicities, and posing trunk cuts/styles/colors for the sake of variety.

Bluto · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:42:06 AM »

Quote from: Praetor Fenix on July 30, 2006, 02:40:53 AM

- If the quality of the physique was the only variable in question, then yes, bodybuilding competitions would consist solely of African-American competitors.

- However, considering the politics and the fact that rich white men masturbate in the judging panel and in the grandstand, its safe to say there will always be an assorted mix of nationalities, ethnicities, and posing trunk cuts/styles/colors for the sake of variety.

You say Cutler, Gunter, Ruhl and others have no place in competitions? Maybe going back, Arnold didn't either?

Hendrix · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:43:06 AM »

Quote from: Praetor Fenix on July 30, 2006, 02:40:53 AM

- If the quality of the physique was the only variable in question, then yes, bodybuilding competitions would consist solely of African-American competitors.

Major Bullshit.

Praetor Fenix · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2006, 02:48:02 AM »

The statement was an exaggeration.

rocket · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:00:14 AM »

A more important topic of discussion is can you be a black musclebear?

KTMckay · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:01:46 AM »

Quote from: Praetor Fenix on July 30, 2006, 02:48:02 AM

The statement was an exaggeration.

I'd appreciate it if you didnt try to sound so fucking smart and scientific with every god damn post. you know? we get itt man... you know some big words. big fuckin deal.

Steve314 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:04:48 AM »

I've noticed a lot of great bodybuilders who are half black and half white. I think we will start to see a lot of individuals who are mixed races dominating the sport more and more in the years to come. I have a good friend who is half black and half white and he's the most genetically gifted bodybuilder I've ever seen. I really think that's the future of bodybuilding, and the most racially mixed people seem to come from the US where bodybuilding is the biggest. I personally think that whites seem to have better structured physiques as far as bodybuilding is concerned but blacks usually have more muscle. I'm speaking in generalities, there are a lot of great bodybuilders that are black and have great stucture. Flex Wheeler was amazing and and so is Dexter Jackson among many others, too many to list. I just personally think that when you mix races you get the best of everything and thats the direction this sport will go. just my .02

rocket · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:08:15 AM »

Quote from: KTMckay on July 30, 2006, 04:01:46 AM

I'd appreciate it if you didnt try to sound so fucking smart and scientific with every god damn post. you know? we get itt man... you know some big words. big fuckin deal.

You heard him Fenix. Discontinue reading, throw away your fancy talk and mix it with the real men. We don't talk special because thats for our smarterers.

Isn't it embarassing to admit that you're stupid

Hendrix · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:17:18 AM »

Quote from: Steve314 on July 30, 2006, 04:04:48 AM

I've noticed a lot of great bodybuilders who are half black and half white. I think we will start to see a lot of individuals who are mixed races dominating the sport more and more in the years to come. I have a good friend who is half black and half white and he's the most genetically gifted bodybuilder I've ever seen. I really think that's the future of bodybuilding, and the most racially mixed people seem to come from the US where bodybuilding is the biggest. I personally think that whites seem to have better structured physiques as far as bodybuilding is concerned but blacks usually have more muscle. I'm speaking in generalities, there are a lot of great bodybuilders that are black and have great stucture. Flex Wheeler was amazing and and so is Dexter Jackson among many others, too many to list. I just personally think that when you mix races you get the best of everything and thats the direction this sport will go. just my .02

You may have a point.Dillet a prime example.

Sir William Idol · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:20:29 AM »

blacks in america are different from african blacks. in africa you wont see nearly as impressive of physiques in proportion to the population. slavery wasnt a random selection, it was very specific as to who was selected based on who would be the most likely to survive the trek, i.e. the biggest, healthiest, and strongest of the lot.

bodybuilding has always been a western (and therefore US) centric activity, and subsequently the blacks will excell at a high rate, as they do in other sports where brute strength and power is essential.

also despite the fact that many blacks in the US have white ancestors, because black genes are dominant they are still seen as "black" despite their mixed heritage, whereas most "whites" have no black ancestors. so blacks get credit for their black genes and black genes only, despite their white ancestry.

basically my thesis is that if bodybuilding is biased toward western nations and since blacks in such nations were bred to be genetically superior, they will dominate for the foreseeable future.

which is why guys like dexter jackson look fucking insane. who wouldnt have wanted that guy on working for you if you were back in 1655. call me racist, but thats history and those are the facts.

davidpaul · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:24:49 AM »

Quote from: Sir William Idol on July 30, 2006, 04:20:29 AM

blacks in america are different from african blacks. in africa you wont see nearly as impressive of physiques in proportion to the population. slavery wasnt a random selection, it was very specific as to who was selected based on who would be the most likely to survive the trek, i.e. the biggest, healthiest, and strongest of the lot.

bodybuilding has always been a western (and therefore US) centric activity, and subsequently the blacks will excell at a high rate, as they do in other sports where brute strength and power is essential.

also despite the fact that many blacks in the US have white ancestors, because black genes are dominant they are still seen as "black" despite their mixed heritage, whereas most "whites" have no black ancestors. so blacks get credit for their black genes and black genes only, despite their white ancestry.

basically my thesis is that if bodybuilding is biased toward western nations and since blacks in such nations were bred to be genetically superior, they will dominate for the foreseeable future.

which is why guys like dexter jackson look fucking insane. who wouldnt have wanted that guy on working for you if you were back in 1655. call me racist, but thats history and those are the facts.

Have you just read the history of negro bodybduilding?

Sir William Idol · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2006, 04:25:39 AM »

Quote from: davidpaul on July 30, 2006, 04:24:49 AM

Have you just read the history of negro bodybduilding?

what the hell are you talking about

Hendrix · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2006, 05:06:55 AM »

Quote from: Sir William Idol on July 30, 2006, 04:20:29 AM

blacks in america are different from african blacks. in africa you wont see nearly as impressive of physiques in proportion to the population. slavery wasnt a random selection, it was very specific as to who was selected based on who would be the most likely to survive the trek, i.e. the biggest, healthiest, and strongest of the lot.

bodybuilding has always been a western (and therefore US) centric activity, and subsequently the blacks will excell at a high rate, as they do in other sports where brute strength and power is essential.

also despite the fact that many blacks in the US have white ancestors, because black genes are dominant they are still seen as "black" despite their mixed heritage, whereas most "whites" have no black ancestors. so blacks get credit for their black genes and black genes only, despite their white ancestry.

basically my thesis is that if bodybuilding is biased toward western nations and since blacks in such nations were bred to be genetically superior, they will dominate for the foreseeable future.

which is why guys like dexter jackson look fucking insane. who wouldnt have wanted that guy on working for you if you were back in 1655. call me racist, but thats history and those are the facts.

I do agree in part with your assesment but also remember the whites in the Viking age with superior genetics have also given the white race an advantage in Strongman competitions, as i have said before it comes down to skeletal predipositions with the top Black bodybuiders being blessed with Ecto-Mesomorph structures compared to more mesomorph traits in whites.

rocket · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2006, 05:12:51 AM »

Quote from: Sir William Idol on July 30, 2006, 04:25:39 AM

what the hell are you talking about

Negro bodybuilding

nicorulez · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2006, 05:44:54 AM »

I believe Levrone is half Italian. I think the biggest difference is that blacks have fuller muscle bellies and seem to have smaller waists. Thus, their symmetry is better. However, I believe that whites (especially the Norther Europeans) have tremendous size, but their symmetry is suspect (ala Ruhl). Coleman is a genetic freak; that is obvious. However, the majority of mass monsters have been white. The top tier black bodybuilders are around the 230-250 range, but have wasp waists (ala Buchanon, Wheeler). However, the majority except fora few have below average calves, although their thighs are usually excellent. Italians seem to be the one white race that has had a huge impact on bodybuilding in recent years (Columbo, Matarazzo, Demayo, Santoriello ?, etc). If you look at history, Italians are probably as much of a hodge podge as most Americans. They have had conquerors and invasions (with resulting procreation and offspring) from all sides (including Africa). Maybe the genetic dice does require the mix.

Parker · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2006, 05:55:41 AM »

If your talking the, small waisted V-tapered look, then yes, blacks have an advantage. It has been said that the samll waist was an adaptation to the environment (good for running), but having high calves( (a detriment in bbing)., is good for explosive torque.

Whereas you look at European bodybuilder, specifically the ones German and Nordic ancestry, you see thick waists, upper torso, and big calves, good for strength.

What Sir William siad is quite true.
Now as far as being mixed, that is a mixed bag. Because a black (of biracial heritage) could inherit white traits that are bad for bbing (the wide waist), or good for bbing (the long calves). Levrone is mixed, but if you look at the 1993 O he looked odd in some way shape or fashion, he could put on the beef, but he had decent calves (until his later yrs). But his shape could not equal Flex Wheeler. I see no where in Dillett's physique where his white genes are dominant, he just looks like a big black man.

And speaking of Flex, if you look at his physique, you'll see he is third in a line of competitors with that type of shape. First was Jean Guillame (sp), next was Brian Buchanan (both competed at the same time), then Flex, then Melvin Anthony, next Darian Bond (little know pro bber), and then That Ghanain bber who had posted on here (his name excapes me) . Which leads one to conclude that, that type of physique has its origins in Ghana and nearby countries.

davidpaul · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2006, 05:59:46 AM »

Do you think there should be a black class, a white class, and an asian class at the olympia?

Darth Muscle · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2006, 06:05:52 AM »

You guys are overlooking a key fact in this discussion. Hard work. Yes its good to have good genetics, but at the end of the day all pros take the same shit, but it comes down to who trains harder and diets smarter. Take Dorain's wins over Flex, Kevin, and Dillet. This guys seemingly had better structures and genetics but Dorain outworked them. Same with Ronnie. It's the best overall package that wins shows, not best genetics or god-given structures.

davidpaul · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2006, 06:07:14 AM »

Quote from: Darth Muscle on July 30, 2006, 06:05:52 AM

You guys are overlooking a key fact in this discussion. Hard work. Yes its good to have good genetics, but at the end of the day all pros take the same shit, but it comes down to who trains harder and diets smarter. Take Dorain's wins over Flex, Kevin, and Dillet. This guys seemingly had better structures and genetics but Dorain outworked them. Same with Ronnie. It's the best overall package that wins shows, not best genetics or god-given structures.

With the exception of Ronnie/Shawn, black bodybuilder are generally lazy trainers.

nicorulez · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2006, 06:11:00 AM »

Darth, I agree to a point. However, Dorian had awesoem genes for bodybuilding. He had a relatively small waist (early in his career), amazing calves and a thick torso. His legs and arms never were world beaters, but the man was stacked. Flex never won the Mr. Olympia as he looked smal next to Dorian. His shape was infinitely better, but he was not wide. This became more apparent when Ronnie became Ronnie and had the symmetry of Flex and more muscle than even Dorian. However, all world class bodybuilders have awesome genetics.