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hey GH15,

how does a natural bb cheat the system?

Please leave my name off thanks.

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first of all... you got to start from a simple concept. performance enhancing drugs are for bodybuilders and few other type of athletes what cocaine and x is for the 20 year old rave chic that loves parting. it is DEPENDENCY for specific purpose.

i do not have a reason to come here and put people in bad light, or ruin their lives and that is why you dont hear even 1/2 of the facts i have of the bodybuilding industry and its ability to manipulate truth to fit the reality it wants.

You are smart people, most of you, you can tell priest is jacked to the max as in familiar with hormones better than he's femiliar with superman, and taking doses larger than the doses of gasoline he put into that race car of his ;). that you know, no need to talk about it.

i do exactly the same.

what i dont like is when someone is coming to me after i been in this sports for over 15 years, making living of it in addition to COMPETING in it, and telling me hey im a top natural winner of musclemania  ;D

you got to understand that we all use hormones, it is exactly for the same reason we all get in the gym and like to look in the mirror and flex, or check our muscles ALL THE DAMN TIME in the gym mirror reflection. we are BODYBUILDERS, we live off it, we did it before during and most likely will do it as hrt after. we are obsessed with our bodies and i am not joking. ALL OF US!

now yes there are few naturals that i have seen and they do compete natural and they also look like natural as in muscle mass and muscle development and mainly the PHYSIQE CONDITION is NATURAL. i dont say there are no naturals! what i say is that at a district level competition and above... npc... you will rarely see a natural guy. period. RARELY.

every one who competes npc want to be able to qualify for nationals and mr la cour wanted it badly in his younger years. so did mr willet. both are PATHOLIGICAL LIARS, lie with no shame, and let me say it this way, i wouldnt go to war if i had to fight with army full of them. mr la cour could not win national level competition and could not earn his pro card fair and square. in addition AST which i consider a scambag company that i will try to ruin if they piss me off a little more, help/ed those athletes in their scam (yes they are still athletes). to say mr la cour is natural is like to say mr palumbo is natural.

now to your question, there are TONS of ways to cheat the cheater as i like to say - since it is all done by federations who you gotta pay fees and other crap - they are with you those federations everything is planned well.

the athletes who competing "NATURALLY" - simply wait untill after the polygraph that is done 24 hours or so before ,then load on INJACTIBLE LASIX for example. effective and efficient duretic. some wait for the tests to be done then go on what ever fast short half life hormones/agents they need, some can simply pass the polygraph, it is not so hard and done many times in murder crimes, so bodybuilding is not a biggie, those guys are used to lie, they live on and in hormones trust me on that ;) some do blitz cycles, many never come off gh and no one pays the money to test for gh, too costly and no one give a shit, those are only few of the methods used.

i attach here again 2 pictures one is of a natural top of the top genetics for its  time, and one...oh well natural indeed, natural LIAR ;)


this is what a member on a diff steroid board wrote about the subject. an ordinary guy and oh how right he was on the spot.

No such thing! Natural bodybuilder, what a joke! Those guys are lying all the way. One of my college friends was a competitive bodybuilder and pretty good at one time. He competed against Flex Wheeler in the early 90's and took 3rd place in that contest. Flex either took 1st or 2nd, I can't remember. Anyway, my friend claimed to be a natural bodybuilder. I knew the truth because he is the one that told me to get the real stuff and to stay away from all the bullshit supplements. In fact, he got me some D-bol for my very first cycle. Then he showed me his showcase of anabolic steroids and growth hormone. I was shocked but then I realized the truth and the importance of chemistry in bodybuilding. Hell, he was even taking real growth hormone, the stuff extracted from cadavers. There was a photo shoot and interview of him in Muscular Development magazine back in 1986. In it he claimed to be all natural of course. Also, after his contest against Flex Wheeler, he was interviewed and the interviewer asked him what he thought about being an all natural bodybuilder. It was so funny, but I guess there are some out there that still believe what you tell them.





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Re: pm question answered
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 12:30:28 PM »
I always laugh at the "natural" in the second pic...

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Re: pm question answered
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 12:40:07 PM »
Something about Gh reminds me of Vince G.

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Re: pm question answered
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 12:54:49 PM »
Something about Gh reminds me of Vince G.

No. It's gh15 writing the letter.

Like we can't tell from the writing patterns.

Nice try.

I like the xxxxx's he adds like the guy really put his name on the letter. I'm sure he's going to really give gh15 his name after he's making all his claims about Lacour on the other board.

"I know what you're saying about him but I'm sure you won't do that to me. I trust you gh15. I have a hardon for this subject just as much as you. I could easily just send you this PM without any name and get my point across but I won't"

yeah right

What's your obsession with this subject, gh15.

You're a top 15 pro bodybuilder. Why do you care so much?

Are people who claim they are natural ruining your drug dealing business?

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Re: pm question answered
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 02:13:48 PM »
No. It's gh15 writing the letter.

Like we can't tell from the writing patterns.

Nice try.

I like the xxxxx's he adds like the guy really put his name on the letter. I'm sure he's going to really give gh15 his name after he's making all his claims about Lacour on the other board.

"I know what you're saying about him but I'm sure you won't do that to me. I trust you gh15. I have a hardon for this subject just as much as you. I could easily just send you this PM without any name and get my point across but I won't"

yeah right

What's your obsession with this subject, gh15.

You're a top 15 pro bodybuilder. Why do you care so much?

Are people who claim they are natural ruining your drug dealing business?

He doesn't seem half as obsessed with skip as you are with gh15 yourself. All the time people think they know someone better then even themselves do. One would think that judging from you, Skip is the returning Christ, our saviour. You can never say 100 percent what another person has or hasn't did, at least when you are giving them unwanted exposure like you are doing now. Gh15 is right, you know, you are harming Skip's reputation tons more than he is right now. I would think that Skip himself would rather see this thing die out quietly, guilty of drug use or not. It actually seems that you are using Skip as a prybar to get at gh15. Give it a rest already.

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 02:35:40 PM »
He doesn't seem half as obsessed with skip as you are with gh15 yourself. All the time people think they know someone better then even themselves do. One would think that judging from you, Skip is the returning Christ, our saviour. You can never say 100 percent what another person has or hasn't did, at least when you are giving them unwanted exposure like you are doing now. Gh15 is right, you know, you are harming Skip's reputation tons more than he is right now. I would think that Skip himself would rather see this thing die out quietly, guilty of drug use or not. It actually seems that you are using Skip as a prybar to get at gh15. Give it a rest already.

You are probably right, Santa. I'm just having some fun on the internet. :0

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Re: pm question answered
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2006, 02:55:53 PM »
GH15 is right. My friend told me there is no such thing as natural bodybuilding.

Hey GH15 why don't you judge the mr. Getbig natural contest. We need somebody with your knowledge to tell who is natural or not.
just push some weight!

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2006, 02:57:14 PM »
GH15 is right. My friend told me there is no such thing as natural bodybuilding.

Hey GH15 why don't you judge the mr. Getbig natural contest. We need somebody with your knowledge to tell who is natural or not.

Vince is not natural and could fool everybody in the natural contest !!!!

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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2006, 02:58:22 PM »
Vince is not natural and could fool everybody in the natural contest !!!!

Same could be said about you. ;D
just push some weight!

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2006, 03:00:17 PM »
 :-*

have you think about my challenge alexxx ?  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2006, 03:01:03 PM »
:-*

have you tought about my challenge alexxx ?  ;D

You gave me none. Once you start lifting then you can issue a challenge. ;)
just push some weight!

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2006, 03:03:38 PM »
You gave me none. Once you start lifting then you can issue a challenge. ;)

Yes I did in the thread that someone erased  ;)

you know the one where you kept finding excuses to not do the provincial show while I was giving you 11 months to get in shape ?  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2006, 03:04:20 PM »
Yes I did in the thread that someone erased  ;)

you know the one where you kept finding excuses to not do the provincial show while I was giving you 11 months to get in shape ?  ;D

What do I get out of winning that show?
just push some weight!

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2006, 03:05:04 PM »
What do I get out of winning that show?

You can humiliate me in front of hundreds of person  :-*

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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2006, 03:05:49 PM »
You can humiliate me in front of hundreds of person  :-*

But I already do such a good job of embarrassing you online..
just push some weight!

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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2006, 03:06:23 PM »
But I already do such a good job of embarrassing you online..

yeah you do such a great job  ::)  :-*

bump for alexxx being a pussy

if I have such a shitty physique why don't you accept my challenge alexxx ?

are you scared to lose against a 19 years old ? 

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2006, 08:49:08 PM »
i guess this is made pm too ;) you fool

this is the reason i am here,,,read this pm and learn something because he is younger and brighter thats for sure ;)


Hey bro,

My name is logan rxxx...I'm a teen bodybuilder about to turn 19 in august.  I read your old article about what a competitive bodybuilder must do and sacrifice in this game and it absolutely blew my mind...

Look bro, I'm pretty sure I know who you are so I'll just take a stab and guess this is Chris Cormier, but you dont have to tell me......I completely understand why you choose to remain hidden and could never ask you to reveal yourself.

I started using pro hormones when I was 15, methyl 1-test when I was 17, and gear at 18 as a senior in high school.  Now I'm starting my second cycle and I'm 10 weeks out from a show.  100mg prop/100mg tren eod....

Its always been my dream to become a pro....larger than life, ya know?  Your article changed my entire aspect upon the sport and it devastated me...It made me want to fucking cry...

Honestly, I'm glad I read it and I'm glad someone shed some light on the darkside of this sport......

I feel terrible for you guys.  You bust your asses, do crazy amounts of gear to get the physique you desire and the fans desire, put yourself at health risks year after year to  give the fans what they want and the fucking sponsors line their pockets with gold and give you guys dogshit.

This is not a fucking sport bro.....its fucking exploitation of humanity and it disgusts me that they can treat you guys like that like its OK.  I wish I knew what to do, because I'd give anything to make this sport better for you guys and the community..If theres anything else you could share....please let me know.  And if I can help you out in any way, hit me up with a message back or an email because I dont frequent this board much....

xxinOverSteelxx@cyber-rights.net

Good luck to you in your future competitions and success in life bro......and thank you for changing my mind on the matter of persuing pro bodybuilding.....I'm 5'7, so now I think i'll just shoot for a good physique at 220 ripped..
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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2006, 09:02:30 PM »

Ok - you claim they are not natural, aka Skip, but what proof do you have. Because he looks so good in his physique when he competed, he can't be natural. You don't like AST or Skip, so your claim of him not being natural or AST is not a good company are just words.

I can say you are not a pro, but again, just words.

Do you have any proof that they are not natural, or just a picture. Do you know Skip or Jeff, or again, just claims. Serious questions here, because anyone can come and claim anything, and since I have know Skip for years, just wondering why slander him without proof.

And can it be that he competed natural, and just looked too good to beleive.

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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2006, 09:05:36 PM »
come on Ron------in my experience the guys that cry they're natural the loudest are usually some of the biggest juicers----------------Im not slandering him--but in my personal opinon, which Im entitled too, he looks far far from natural

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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2006, 09:10:26 PM »
where did i say that AST is bad company product wise? they are good company at what they do! i was talking about them knowing those athletes are hormonized. ron, this is the bread winner on the table for them and you will do whatever it takes. WHAT EVER IT TAKES. cheating the system is the least of the problems they have,,the worse problem for them how to make sure they get the product out of the eyes of le and other risky factors.

if i bring a letter or took any one on bet it will show un proffessionalism and will alaways look like it's fake no matter what. they do not order on their names and they do not order to their addy,,many orderhormonized protein custom design to their addy but this is not my speciallity :)

find me a place where i actually said la cour was not a good bodybuilder. i want you to show me where i EVER said he was not a phenominal bodybuilder. he sure is! BUT very untruthful. you do what you gotta do in this proffession my friend
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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2006, 09:11:36 PM »
and Ron do u really think that skip would really divulge a secret that could ruin his reputation and maybe career to someone who runs the most critical and harsh (and greatest) BB forum out there------------

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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2006, 09:15:23 PM »
come on Ron------in my experience the guys that cry they're natural the loudest are usually some of the biggest juicers----------------Im not slandering him--but in my personal opinon, which Im entitled too, he looks far far from natural

i totally agree with you. everyoen i know that constantly brags about being natural, i found out later down the road they are totally juiced up. they just look small so they are too ashamed to say they juice.
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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2006, 09:20:13 PM »
think about it----being natural is Skip's "thing"/gimmick----it makes him stand out----

if it wasn't for his steadfast constant harping about being natural he wouldn't have all the sponserships and revunue he has now---he'd just be another juiced up guy not big enough to compete with the big boys

its actually a very smart business move on his part---claiming that he's natural

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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2006, 09:27:03 PM »
think about it----being natural is Skip's "thing"/gimmick----it makes him stand out----

if it wasn't for his steadfast constant harping about being natural he wouldn't have all the sponserships and revunue he has now---he'd just be another juiced up guy not big enough to compete with the big boys

its actually a very smart business move on his part---claiming that he's natural

100% on spot. you got the way the business runs my friend,,also be sure that this mwbb dude will continue untill his never ending internet life ends  :D to stand by la cour and it is simply because he is "connected" to la cour ;),,so you should predict a continuous never ending responds to any "attack" as they see it,,,every single time the truth rises. it is business every one has something to gain here trust me. I AM HERE ONLY FOR THE TRUTH and i will NEVER EVER sell anything hormone related to getbiggers.
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Re: PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2006, 09:31:53 PM »
thanks bro and its nice to see they're not deleting ur threads or moving them anymore-----ur one of the only people on here that has really accurate and good information to share------------------------