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The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« on: July 31, 2006, 07:59:40 PM »
First off,

Where the hell are they?

If you go to the IFBB.com site you get a link to the rules of the IFBB and you click on a PDF file which is a lengthy document which is clearly the IFBB "AMATEUR" rule book mainly referring to issues in regards to the IFBB world championships - Ben Weider's baby

Chick, does this rulebook apply to the pros?

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 08:11:08 PM »
This is interesting....

according to the IFBB rulebook, from 2007 there will be OUT OF COMPETITION drug testing for all members!!!

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 08:23:05 PM »
You don't really expect a response to this from Chick or anyone affiliated do you?

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 08:24:28 PM »
This is interesting....

according to the IFBB rulebook, from 2007 there will be OUT OF COMPETITION drug testing for all members!!!

Oh crap i just choked up my protien drink :)

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2006, 08:25:55 PM »
Lee in all honesty, how much do you think you would weigh onstage if the IFBB drug test you ?

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 08:26:07 PM »
This is interesting....

according to the IFBB rulebook, from 2007 there will be OUT OF COMPETITION drug testing for all members!!!

Yeah, and Derek Anthony will give up his man-whoring to become a Doctor, and help out children in South America.......... ::)
HAHA, RON.....

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2006, 08:27:06 PM »
Oh crap i just choked up my protien drink :)

Great show Lee. Very entertaining. You made your points. I think you made some new fans tonight.
HAHA, RON.....

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2006, 08:29:33 PM »
You don't really expect a response to this from Chick or anyone affiliated do you?
Of course not joe...


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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2006, 08:32:30 PM »
Lee in all honesty, how much do you think you would weight onstage if the IFBB drug test you ?

i went drug free one year and wieghed 205.I have no problem doing it .if all the others do it great lets do it.You will see alot of changes in placings then.

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2006, 08:33:27 PM »
i went drug free one year and wieghed 205.I have no problem doing it .if all the others do it great lets do it.You will see alot of changes in placings then.

you were 205lbs in competition shape?

Isn't that your normal competition weight??

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2006, 08:35:22 PM »
Yeah i wqasnt as shredded thou still hard it was the year i got 5th or 6th at ironamn i am sure there are pics somewhere.

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2006, 08:38:23 PM »
okay the IFBB pro rule book DOES exist...

http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/rules.htm

lets take it apart then...

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2006, 08:41:02 PM »
http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/IFBBProRules.pdf

Here is the rulebook in pdf format

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2006, 08:43:05 PM »
okay the IFBB pro rule book DOES exist...

http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/rules.htm

lets take it apart then...

OK GO FOR IT LETS SEE WHAT RULES ARE GETTING BROKEN AND HOW MANY PROS HAVE HAD SOMETHING DONE TO THEN ABOUT IT.

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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2006, 08:43:12 PM »
Yeah i wqasnt as shredded thou still hard it was the year i got 5th or 6th at ironamn i am sure there are pics somewhere.

I googled it, was it the 1999 ironman, where you placed 6th?   You were off all drugs for how long?

http://www.getbig.com/pics/ironman/1999/priest.htm


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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2006, 08:45:15 PM »
http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/IFBBProRules.pdf

Here is the rulebook in pdf format

For each rule, make a list of times it has been blatantly broken then not enforced by the IFBB.  Send the results to Lee's lawyer... it'll save him tons of money in research fees!  ;D
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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2006, 08:48:45 PM »
"Article 8 – Drug Testing

8.1 Policy Statement:  Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods – to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes. The practice of doping is forbidden.

8.2 Power and Authority: As a condition of membership and competition in the Pro League, all Athletes must agree that the Pro League has the right to conduct announced or unannounced, in-competition or out-of-competition, random, weighted or target drug testing.

8.3 Control and Supervision: The Pro League Medical Committee has overall control and supervision of all drug testing conducted within the Pro League and will at its discretion take such measures and draft such guidelines as it deems necessary to ensure that where drug testing is conducted; it is done so in a professional manner.

8.4 Sample Analysis: Samples (bodily specimens) will be analyzed at an independent professional laboratory selected by the Pro League Medical Committee.

8.5 List of Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods: The Pro League Medical Committee at its discretion will determine the substances and methods that are prohibited, that are to be tested for, and that constitute a doping offence. A list of prohibited substances and methods will be maintained by the Pro League Medical Committee and will be made available to all Athletes. The Pro League adopts the Rule of Strict Liability wherein Athletes are solely responsible for what is found in their samples.

8.6 Doping Offence: A doping offence occurs when:

1. An Athlete tests positive for the presence of a prohibited substance or its metabolite or marker in the Athlete’s bodily specimen.

2. An Athlete is found to have used a prohibited method.

3. An Athlete, for whatever reason, refuses a test or fails to provide a proper sample when requested to do so by the Pro League.

4. An Athlete is found guilty of trafficking in prohibited substances and/or methods."

"8.9 Penalties: The penalties upon a final finding for a doping offence shall be as determined by the Pro League Medical Committee and shall consist of a series of escalating fines and/or suspensions, or expulsion. At a minimum, the penalty for an offence under Articles 8.6.1 shall be as follows:

1. First Offence: A USD $2,500.00 fine and a three-month suspension;
2. Second Offence: A USD $5,000.00 fine and a six-month suspension;
3. Third Offence: A USD $10,000.00 fine and a one-year suspension;
4. Fourth Offence: Expulsion from the Pro League.

At a minimum, the penalty for an offence under Articles 8.6.2 and 8.6.3 shall be a USD $5,000.00 fine and a six-month suspension. A second offence shall result in expulsion from the Pro League. The penalty for an offence under Article 8.6.4 shall be expulsion from the Pro League.

8.10 Appeal: An Athlete may appeal a final finding to the Pro Committee pursuant to"

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2006, 08:49:25 PM »
I googled it, was it the 1999 ironman, where you placed 6th?   You were off all drugs for how long?

http://www.getbig.com/pics/ironman/1999/priest.htm



10 months i had a bet with Jason Mathis at the time he used to write for muscle mag.He could test me anytime and if i was positive i would pay him 10,000 and vice versa if i was clean..It was a little harder recovery wise and training just took loads of supplements but it can be done just alot harder .

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2006, 08:50:22 PM »
OK GO FOR IT LETS SEE WHAT RULES ARE GETTING BROKEN AND HOW MANY PROS HAVE HAD SOMETHING DONE TO THEN ABOUT IT.

This will prove nothing as YOU have broken many of these rules, Lee...and nothing was done.

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2006, 08:51:13 PM »
Has any pro ever been suspended or fined for drug use?

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2006, 08:52:08 PM »
This will prove nothing as YOU have broken many of these rules, Lee...and nothing was done.

Which rules did Lee break that everyone else hasn't?

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2006, 08:52:19 PM »
This will prove nothing as YOU have broken many of these rules, Lee...and nothing was done.

You've gone from dismissing his argument, to using it against him.  You just legitimized his argument.  Congrats.

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2006, 08:52:49 PM »
hahaha

"Article 8 – Drug Testing
8.1 Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
The practice of doping is forbidden.
8.2 Power and Authority:
As a condition of membership and competition in the Pro League, all Athletes
must agree that the Pro League has the right to conduct announced or
unannounced, in-competition or out-of-competition, random, weighted or target
drug testing.
8.3 Control and Supervision:
The Pro League Medical Committee has overall control and supervision of all
drug testing conducted within the Pro League and will at its discretion take such
measures and draft such guidelines as it deems necessary to ensure that where
drug testing is conducted; it is done so in a professional manner.
8.4 Sample Analysis:
Samples (bodily specimens) will be analyzed at an independent professional
laboratory selected by the Pro League Medical Committee.
8.5 List of Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods:
The Pro League Medical Committee at its discretion will determine the
substances and methods that are prohibited, that are to be tested for, and that
constitute a doping offence. A list of prohibited substances and methods will be
maintained by the Pro League Medical Committee and will be made available to
all Athletes. The Pro League adopts the Rule of Strict Liability wherein Athletes
are solely responsible for what is found in their samples.
8.6 Doping Offence:
A doping offence occurs when:
1. An Athlete tests positive for the presence of a prohibited substance or its
metabolite or marker in the Athlete’s bodily specimen.
2. An Athlete is found to have used a prohibited method.
3. An Athlete, for whatever reason, refuses a test or fails to provide a proper
sample when requested to do so by the Pro League.
4. An Athlete is found guilty of trafficking in prohibited substances and/or
methods."

"8.9 Penalties:
The penalties upon a final finding for a doping offence shall be as determined by
the Pro League Medical Committee and shall consist of a series of escalating
fines and/or suspensions, or expulsion. At a minimum, the penalty for an offence
under Articles 8.6.1 shall be as follows:
1. First Offence: A USD $2,500.00 fine and a three-month suspension;
2. Second Offence: A USD $5,000.00 fine and a six-month suspension;
3. Third Offence: A USD $10,000.00 fine and a one-year suspension;
4. Fourth Offence: Expulsion from the Pro League.
At a minimum, the penalty for an offence under Articles 8.6.2 and 8.6.3 shall be
a USD $5,000.00 fine and a six-month suspension. A second offence shall result
in expulsion from the Pro League.
The penalty for an offence under Article 8.6.4 shall be expulsion from the Pro
League.
8.10 Appeal:
An Athlete may appeal a final finding to the Pro Committee pursuant to"

Shit we even have had some who have trafficked  and still compete .oh aren't the rules great.

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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2006, 08:55:00 PM »
I love the Code of Ethics !.....#8 is great.
Bob, anyone break any of these rules ?

CODE OF ETHICS
Introduction:
The Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as
guidelines for the way in which all Members, be they Athletes, Judges or
Officials, should strive to conduct themselves as Members of the Pro League.
Members join the Pro League of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to
abide by the Pro Rules. The Code of Ethics forms an integral part of these rules.
Any Member who is found to have contravened the Code of Ethics may be
subject to disciplinary measures.
Athletes:
We, the Pro League Athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good
name of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and realizing the
responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
1. to fulfill our responsibility to society, to other Athletes, Judges and Officials
of the Pro League.
2. to honour, dignify, and support the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure
by competing in the best condition and to the best of our ability, and by
being in top shape when giving an exhibition or a seminar.
3. to respect our opponents on equal terms in the spirit of friendly rivalry and
good sportsmanship.
4. to respect the Pro Rules as well as the rules of competition and to observe
them honestly in cooperation with other Athletes, Judges and Officials.
5. to accept the decisions of the Judges and Officials in the spirit of good
sportsmanship without descending to selfish recriminations, realizing that
these decisions have been made honestly, fairly, and objectively.
6. to assist the Pro League in the promotion of bodybuilding, fitness and figure
by acting as a goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport in a
positive manner, and protecting the good image and integrity of the sport
and the Pro League.
7. to work for the Pro League, not against it, in promoting its values, morals
and ethics; to exercise our right of protest in a courteous, respectful manner,
following the proper chain of command; to refrain from malicious gossip
and rumour-mongering; to refrain from personal attacks against any other
Member of the Pro League.
8. to continue striving for bodily perfection and correct moral principles.
9. to honour the special trust conferred upon us by our participation in, and by
our representation of, the Pro League and our country, at international
events, and to adhere to the standards of personal conduct expected of us.
10. to recognize the value of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and to promote its
future by serving as an example to inspire other people to participate.
11. to cooperate with our Officials in the development of high standards, both
moral and physical, for the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and in
the progressive furtherance of the objects of the Pro League.
12. to oppose the use of banned substances and methods and to compete drugfree.
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13. to refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial.
14. to conduct ourselves at all times in a manner that reflects positively upon
the image of the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure, and the Pro
League.


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Re: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis...
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2006, 08:55:22 PM »
This will prove nothing as YOU have broken many of these rules, Lee...and nothing was done.
Yes and i have admitted usuing in my articles and they let me go.They don't care about the health of the athletes then do they when you come out and say i am usuing and they dont fine me.So we are all going to be fined and suspended.Hey i am saying  i use so fine me and the others.But if you do you must do the others do,THEY  to must be tested.