Author Topic: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis... (Read 26314 times)

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #50 on:** July 31, 2006, 11:02:59 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 31, 2006, 09:22:46 PM

Welcome to life.

Much like cops CHOOSE to enforce certain laws. Jaywalking is against the law technically, but rarely enforced...seat belts, "personal use" weed, rolling through a stop sign, speeding is a great example...you could pull someone over every 2 seconds for doing 3MPH over the limit, a clear violation of the LIMIT...but for obvious reasons, they don't.

WTF are you talking about by saying to "choose to enforce certain laws" were not talking about jaywalking, seat belts (btw, that is enforced big time in Calif) or anything of the sort, this is Felony material that includes aiding and abedding. Any DEA agent can walk into ANY show in the country, pro or amature and provided they have probable cause with a search warrant and bust anyone caught with shit in their bags and the IFBB, athletes rep or whatever choose to turn your backs.
Not enforcing at least some of the rules is hipocritical to enth degree...........the two articals or even one is the prime reason why the industry has absolutly gone to shit............THANKS!

onlyme · « **Reply #51 on:** July 31, 2006, 11:18:06 PM »

Quote from: jwb on July 31, 2006, 10:14:21 PM

Keith,

ask wayne where the $200,000 a year he paid to the weiders in sanction fee to promote the olympia went every year?

Well actually the last few years it was $300,000+. On top of that the expenses were paid by Wayne including a $40,000 expense bill by Manion for one week of high living for him and his family. That $40,000 could of easily been added to the prize money. Check was written to the IFBB and deposited into the bank in Canada. There was no set sanction fee, it was based on percentage. Every cost associated with the Olympia was paid for by Wayne. All advertising in the mags was paid for. No freebies to Wayne on this.

Chick · « **Reply #52 on:** July 31, 2006, 11:23:04 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on July 31, 2006, 11:02:59 PM

WTF are you talking about by saying to "choose to enforce certain laws" were not talking about jaywalking, seat belts (btw, that is enforced big time in Calif) or anything of the sort, this is Felony material that includes aiding and abedding. Any DEA agent can walk into ANY show in the country, pro or amature and provided they have probable cause with a search warrant and bust anyone caught with shit in their bags and the IFBB, athletes rep or whatever choose to turn your backs.
Not enforcing at least some of the rules is hipocritical to enth degree...........the two articals or even one is the prime reason why the industry has absolutly gone to shit............THANKS!

"shit in their bags"?...at a bodybuilding show? What shit would that be? Only a complete idiot would have anything steroid related in their bags at a bodybuilding show...

Were talking about pornographic material, badmouthing the judges, etc. That is what Lee is talking about, and thus the reference to "enforcing certain rules" and the subsequent analogy...get it now?

Bast000 · « **Reply #53 on:** July 31, 2006, 11:44:21 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 31, 2006, 11:23:04 PM

Only a complete idiot would have anything steroid related in their bags at a bodybuilding show...

yea but there Are a lot of complete idiots at bodybuilding shows.

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #54 on:** August 01, 2006, 06:06:38 AM »

Quote from: Chick on July 31, 2006, 09:22:46 PM

Welcome to life.

Much like cops CHOOSE to enforce certain laws. Jaywalking is against the law technically, but rarely enforced...seat belts, "personal use" weed, rolling through a stop sign, speeding is a great example...you could pull someone over every 2 seconds for doing 3MPH over the limit, a clear violation of the LIMIT...but for obvious reasons, they don't.

Nah bob they allow you 10- 12 miles.You really have no answer to the Rule question so give up.You hole is getting deeper.YOU LOOSE ON THIS ARGUMENT.

bigmc · « **Reply #55 on:** August 01, 2006, 06:24:50 AM »

I think things need to be in perspective here Lee wants to compete in a bodybuilding show so what if its a different organisation.

What are the ifbb afraid of that their dwindling empire will crumple all together. If their that afraid they should improve their own organisation and stop worrying about the pdi.

Arent you the athletes rep Bob as opposed to pr man for the IFBB?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #56 on:** August 01, 2006, 06:25:44 AM »

hahaha Imagine another sport where they choose to enforce some rules and not others.....FUCKING PATHETIC.

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #57 on:** August 01, 2006, 06:41:49 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 01, 2006, 06:25:44 AM

hahaha Imagine another sport where they choose to enforce some rules and not others.....FUCKING PATHETIC.

Yes it is.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #58 on:** August 01, 2006, 06:42:58 AM »

How do you rate Bob`s performance as athletes rep so far and has anything that he has done directly affected you?

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #59 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:33:10 AM »

Quote from: Chick on July 31, 2006, 11:23:04 PM

"shit in their bags"?...at a bodybuilding show? What shit would that be? Only a complete idiot would have anything steroid related in their bags at a bodybuilding show...

Were talking about pornographic material, badmouthing the judges, etc. That is what Lee is talking about, and thus the reference to "enforcing certain rules" and the subsequent analogy...get it now?

You're shitting me right?

Chick · « **Reply #60 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:48:20 AM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on August 01, 2006, 06:06:38 AM

Nah bob they allow you 10- 12 miles.You really have no answer to the Rule question so give up.You hole is getting deeper.YOU LOOSE ON THIS ARGUMENT.

and you just supported my argument...thank you. So you agree that they could give you a ticket, but choose not to, right?

Listen, I'm not arguing the point that certain rules are enforced, while others are not...I'm pointing out that there is a bigger value put on some laws/ rules more than others

I'm not quite sure why you're arguing with me, as It's not going to change the inevitable...you should be trying to convince your peers to support your platform and vote to change the rules.

I highly suggest you get everyone in your corner to attend the next athletes meeting, where it can be put to vote and submitted for consideration.THAT'S how things get accomplished...

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #61 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:51:42 AM »

A rule is a rule is a rule. They should all be enforced since there is no classifications of them on the list.

Mr. Intenseone · « **Reply #62 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:03:41 AM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 08:48:20 AM

Listen, I'm not arguing the point that certain rules are enforced, while others are not...I'm pointing out that there is a bigger value put on some laws/ rules more than others

...you should be trying to convince your peers to support your platform and vote to change the rules.

It's not just certain rules that are not being enforced, it's entire rule articals. BTW, why should Lee try to convince his peers to follow the rules. Beside's it's not changing the rules, it's ENFORCING the one's that are already on the books!

Chick · « **Reply #63 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:07:06 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Intenseone on August 01, 2006, 09:03:41 AM

It's not just certain rules that are not being enforced, it's entire rule articals. BTW, why should Lee try to convince his peers to follow the rules. Beside's it's not changing the rules, it's ENFORCING the one's that are already on the books!

Try reading what I wrote, obviously, you missed the point....

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #64 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:10:34 AM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 09:07:06 AM

Try reading what I wrote, obviously, you missed the point....

There are no classifications listed of the rules. And a competitor should be reprimanded for doing pornographic material before being reprimanded for competing in a different league. You and the IFBB headpart are fools.

Chick · « **Reply #65 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:17:08 AM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on August 01, 2006, 09:10:34 AM

There are no classifications listed of the rules. And a competitor should be reprimanded for doing pornographic material before being reprimanded for competing in a different league. You and the IFBB headpart are fools.

I agree...whay are you arguing with me?

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:23:36 AM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 09:17:08 AM

I agree...whay are you arguing with me?

Not arguing, you said there are "bigger" rules than others. If so, how are competitors involved in porn competiting without sanctions being overlooked whereas mainly just one competitor wants to compete in a different league gets slammed. It's only one competitor so why not allow him to do so. What kind of message does this send to young up and comers?

240 is Back · « **Reply #67 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:24:14 AM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 08:48:20 AM

Listen, I'm not arguing the point that certain rules are enforced, while others are not...I'm pointing out that there is a bigger value put on some laws/ rules more than others

Hey, that's pretty big news, actually. If even Bob agrees publicly that the IFBB rules are selectively enforced, Lee's case certainly might have some credence!

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #68 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:28:58 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on August 01, 2006, 09:24:14 AM

Hey, that's pretty big news, actually. If even Bob agrees publicly that the IFBB rules are selectively enforced, Lee's case certainly might have some credence!

So, if Lee is suspended, ---funny you say case.

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:33:24 AM »

Basically what you have here is a degraded monopoly of some 80 year old fart that is blind to see that opening the book of other federations and leagues could greatly benefit the entire industry with more money and publicity. I think we learned a lot about total control during the Communist Era.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #70 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:33:40 AM »

What about the Women?

There isn`t a single one really that isn`t involved in suggestive photos or the porn industry. Do they get the green light to do the same?

Bob,

. You should be for enforcing the rules or getting rid of the ones that aren`t enforced.

You just stand by and do nothing. Status quo eh? As long as it serves your needs.

Name another sport where they get to pick and choose different rules to follow.

You and the IFBB are being delusional retards.

Chick · « **Reply #71 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:34:46 AM »

It has no credence, as the rules specifically state..." may be subject to being fined, suspended, etc"....

That means they retain the right, but are not bound to. Yes, that means they can pick and choose what rules to enforce.

There are also other athletes that have been suspended/ fined for competing in non sanctioned shows, thus setting a precedent.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #72 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:36:02 AM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 09:34:46 AM

It has no credence, as the rules specifically state..." may be subject to being fined, suspended, etc"....

That means they retain the right, but are not bound to. Yes, that means they can pick and choose what rules to enforce.

There are also other athletes that have been suspended/ fined for competing in non sanctioned shows, thus setting a precedent.

What a sad sport if there are no concrete rules.

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #73 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:38:08 AM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 09:34:46 AM

It has no credence, as the rules specifically state..." may be subject to being fined, suspended, etc"....

That means they retain the right, but are not bound to. Yes, that means they can pick and choose what rules to enforce.

There are also other athletes that have been suspended/ fined for competing in non sanctioned shows, thus setting a precedent.

Well Bobby, the fans say this rule hinders the IFBB, the industry, and the athletes. And you have to be a fool to miss that. But I still haven't seen an answer as to Why the IFBB thinks pornographic business ventures is a positive influence?

Chick · « **Reply #74 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:45:53 AM »

Quote from: thisiskeith12 on August 01, 2006, 09:38:08 AM

Well Bobby, the fans say this rule hinders the IFBB, the industry, and the athletes. And you have to be a fool to miss that. But I still haven't seen an answer as to Why the IFBB thinks pornographic business ventures is a positive influence?

I'm sure they dont...It's my OPINION, and ONLY my opinion...that they do nothing on the womens porn issue because if they did enforce it, the entire womens division would collapse. That would be unfortunate for those who don't dabble in the schmo/ porn field.

I do know that Betty pariso (IFBB women's rep) is preparing/ attempting to change that.